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10 Airport Screeners Caught Stealing At LAX  
User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 903 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

What is happening to airport security? So much news these days, and now this.

"The City Attorney's Office is expected to file misdemeanor theft charges against a group of screeners at Los Angeles International Airport suspected of stealing personal items from celebrities and other travelers. .......The alleged victims include hotel heiress Paris Hilton and singer Keyshia Cole......items include cartons of cigarettes, watches and jewelry"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/s...55-ca-airport-celebritythefts.html


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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting Tangowhisky (Thread starter):
What is happening to airport security?

Always a few bad apples in every industry...



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 901 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

It is not good that this seems to be happening on a regular basis. The CCTV cameras do not seem to be in the right place.

[Edited 2007-03-23 23:20:08]

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.


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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting Tangowhisky (Thread starter):
What is happening to airport security?

The security is suppose to protect the passengers from each other, not the TSA! It's just another example of the government taking too much from it's people.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
Always a few bad apples in every industry...

A few!?!! We're talking about TSA, there have been more than a few in the last year.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

We won't be able to if they unionize!



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Government agency cannot unionize. The government is the union. But it was a bad idea from the get go and they should have been relieved from duty 4 years ago.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.

There are so many loopholes in the system it isnt funny, and every ramp agent knows people who steal or have stolen from bags. This doesnt include the people that steal the most...the TSA agents.



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User currently offlineNelsonde From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 7):
the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.

Remove all security? Remove all TSOs? or just remove the ineffective and unscrupulous ones like these 10 at LAX who appear to have been worse than useless?

-DEN



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User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 7):
the TSA.....rent-a-cops that work for the government. I say get rid of em...theyre useless.



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

It's easy to scream "Get rid of them.", but what should replace them.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Im just saying they need to be replaced. Ive worked in many facets of the aviation industry and so far ive found so many loopholes it isnt funny. Due to safety I wont say any, but they are there.

The TSA needs revamped. They need to adjust how they secure airports. Picking out "Random" (and I am very sarcastic there) people for searches the way they do doesnt cut it.

I am not an expert of security, far from it, but form my experience as a crew and other areas of Aviation, I know enough to say that something needs the change...Maybe the TSA should form an exploratory commitee of many aviation personel to brainstorm ideas...idk.


ATCT



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User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

I second that one! These are the bottom of the barrel minimum-wage morons the likes I can hardly imagine ever being hired for much more than cleaning a toilet. The statement in this case is, there are a very few good apples in this barrel.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

I have been in the airline industry for 12 years and the TSA is the worst idea that was thought of. They are the problem. I had no problem and no issues with the contracted screeners prior to 9/11. When the government was thinking about re-privatizing the screening operations that was a good idea. The only airport that I have worked flights out of that has private security is ROC. They are far more efficient than the Thousands Standing Around.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3936 times:

All 12 of these bad TSA agents upon convictions on sufficient charges get sentences where they have to spend a couple of years each in a tough fed jail to set an example of violators to other agents. One has to wonder what kind of employment screening is done for TSA agents and the incompentence of their managers to make sure agents are not stealing. Perhaps what they need to do is make is so workers and their bosses are swtiched around regularly as to their assignments, have TSA agents and bosses have to go through security checks too, to make sure no theft and so on.

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
I have been in the airline industry for 12 years and the TSA is the worst idea that was thought of. They are the problem. I had no problem and no issues with the contracted screeners prior to 9/11. When the government was thinking about re-privatizing the screening operations that was a good idea. The only airport that I have worked flights out of that has private security is ROC. They are far more efficient than the Thousands Standing Around.

Are you kidding me? The people they had in place before 9-11 were even less competent than the TSA. Yes it was more efficient, but the screening was much less thorough in my opinion. The problem with privatizing in this country is that when you privatize, the work goes out to the lowest bidder, meaning the company with the lowest costs will get the work. Not only that, but these companies interests are in profits and to shareholders, and that is the problem. The problem now is that the TSA is being run by politicians trying to make themselves look like they are doing something. There was a stupid security directive that just came out about Pilot Screening, and though I won't go into details, FutureFO will probably agree with me that it is going to only make things worse.

I was a proponent of TSA long before 9-11 because I knew that these agencies employed people who couldn't speak english and didn't have a clue what they were doing. I still think its the right way to go. But they have to change some things there to make it work better. Otherwise I am convinced that it is impossible to make airport security work in this country, whether or not it is run by the government. And thats a real scary thought.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Yes the latest SD that came out is stupid and ridiculous. There is no reason for it. Makes many pilots want to do the FFDO program to get away from the TSO's. I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3689 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
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Quoting FutureFO (Reply 15):
Yes the latest SD that came out is stupid and ridiculous. There is no reason for it. Makes many pilots want to do the FFDO program to get away from the TSO's. I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.

The new SD still allows on duty crews to bypass at an airport that they are badged for, the rest of us now have to be screened.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

TSA.... I never knew my toothpaste could explode... They really are the worst especially at looking like they're helping the cause.

User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The TSA is the problem with the country's security at the airports. Get rid of them.

And replace them with what? Private industry because so many people think it can do better. But wait...baggage people who rip off from luggage are private industry...obviously that's a much better way to go!?!?!? And that would only lead to the lowest cost possible....which caused problems pre 9/11. Agreed. The TSA is a big pain the rear. But for the specific screener issue, part of the problem is structuring of the job, hiring people, etc. etc.


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 4):
A few!?!! We're talking about TSA, there have been more than a few in the last year

Saddly true.....

Quoting Nelsonde (Reply 8):
Remove all security? Remove all TSOs? or just remove the ineffective and unscrupulous ones like these 10 at LAX who appear to have been worse than useless

I think that the TSA tries so hard to convince the traveling public that they are making flying safer, that they forget to actually make flying safer, and leave a bunch of loopholes. Unless they make major changes I would not be surprised if agents getting caught stealing things remains common.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

I think that crimes committed by federally employed law enforcement/security such as the TSA should automatically entitle them to twice the maximum sentence for the civilian crime... certainly if such a law doesn't act as a deterrent then rotten apples just stay in prison for a long, long time.


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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 18):
Private industry because so many people think it can do better.

The screening status is still the same as pre-9/11, the only difference is that the US Gov is boat loads of money on a system that has not changed the actual security. You can hire also anyone to look at a screen and yell at people about what they can't bring. TSA means nothing but a waste a money that could be used to fund Social Security and Medicare.

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 18):
....which caused problems pre 9/11.

What problems? The only thing I can remember is that the lines were very fast. If you're talking about the events of 9/11 you're totally talking BS. The US Gov couldn't keep tabs on these people and didn't bother to have a system in place to track suspected people. The items used on 9/11 to attack the pilots were legal items to have in a cabin, that was the biggest loophole and oh yeah, pre 9/11 luggage was never screened for explosives, thats not a private contractor's fault, it's the US Gov's problem for not putting that into place even though airliners were getting blown up for the last 50 years.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 14):
Yes it was more efficient, but the screening was much less thorough in my opinion.

That is only because the US Gov. never said that they had to look for these added items of travel today.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 14):
but these companies interests are in profits and to shareholders,

That's nothing new when it comes to airports and airlines, it's all about the money and shareholders, never about the general public that are their customers. TSA is all about TSA, no one else. No one in the US Gov will question TSA about issues because they just assume that what they say is why they're getting paid to do that job.


User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Please direct your anger towards the terrorists, the terrorist groups, the "religious" organizations around the world who support and pay for them, not towards the individuals at the TSA who are trying to make the best of a bad situation.

User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 901 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

I cannot believe the reply from Azstar. To beleive that the TSA employess are entitled to pilfer and steal because of the terrorists is unbeleivable

User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 15):
I know in most airports that we fly to that the TSA doesn't even go through screening like us crewmembers have to.

Not to TSA bash, but I've seen the same thing with TSA emps going around the magnometers to head to their duty station at another check point, and not the one they just bypassed.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 16):
The new SD still allows on duty crews to bypass at an airport that they are badged for, the rest of us now have to be screened.

My only issue with the SD is the fact that a crew member that goes off duty from one flight to catch another flight off duty (connecting flight at at hub) and in uniform, needs to go back out of the sterile area and through security again. I'm sure I read it correctly, but if I'm mistaken please let me know.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 20):
I think that crimes committed by federally employed law enforcement/security such as the TSA should automatically entitle them to twice the maximum sentence for the civilian crime... certainly if such a law doesn't act as a deterrent then rotten apples just stay in prison for a long, long time.

I have to agree with that.

Quoting Azstar (Reply 22):
Please direct your anger towards the terrorists, the terrorist groups, the "religious" organizations around the world who support and pay for them, not towards the individuals at the TSA who are trying to make the best of a bad situation.

I'm thinking the anger is towards the 12 (that we know of) TSA personnel who are going through the same luggage they are supposed to screen and protect.

Gus


25 Oznznut : Been reading and listening to all thie TSA bashing for years now. Remember which country we live in. There is so much political correctness that the T
26 Azstar : I'm not defending thieves. What I meant was the majority of the TSA employees are just trying to do their job, and the "bad situation" is the fact tha
27 Tangowhisky : Tendering TSA's functions to private sector is as bad an idea as tendering the police functions to the private sector. As it was said above, the priva
28 Fumanchewd : Pay crap and ye shall receive the same back.
29 Copter808 : Since they have been charged only with misdemeanors, it's not likely they will spend much time in jail at all. A misdemeanor is punishible by up to o
30 Access-Air : Oh how many times have I said this exact statement to people over and over and over and over?????? Too many times...... Being once trained as a Groun
31 Rdwootty : Maybe there should be Closed circuit TV throughout the areas and this would certainly stop most pilfering as it would be easy to prove in court that "
32 SkyexRamper : But who would be in charge of that? TSA or the airport police? But can't people just stop stealing stuff from people and take some kind of profession
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