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F9 Hiring At GFK?  
User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1771 times:

Howdy all,

When reading our school's weekly newsletter, in the job postings section I noticed that Frontier was hiring ramp agents. It didn't mention where they were hiring and usually if its out of town they'll post that info, so I assume its local. I'm also aware that the city of Grand Forks put out an RFP to several airlines for flying, and in 2008 we'll be getting a new terminal. What's up with the hiring notice?

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1766 times:

GFK might be one of the cities targeted by F9 for the DH-400s

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1756 times:

I think it's odd that F9 hasn't announced any DH4 cities yet. They are set to be delivered here in a couple months. They better get moving on the route selection.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24630 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
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Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 2):
I think it's odd that F9 hasn't announced any DH4 cities yet.

Thet can't really announce anywhere, Lynx Aviation does not have its AOC approved yet.

I think they are hoping to start making announcements in the middle of April - but you can't hurry the DOT.

mariner



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

I'm willing to bet F9 would chose FAR first, secondly, checking with F9 themselves, GFK is not a hiring city.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21083 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I'm willing to bet F9 would chose FAR first

They'd have to compete with UA on the FAR-DEN route, whereas they could have GFK-DEN to themselves. The distance between FAR and GFK is enough that they could probably get some pax from FAR on their flights from GFK if fares were reasonable enough (and the other way around, of course).

-Mir



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
They'd have to compete with UA on the FAR-DEN route, whereas they could have GFK-DEN to themselves.

May have GFK-DEN to themselves until NW puts a CRJ on it for whatever reason (fine by me, means i can get home faster) But out of FAR they would have a lot more O&D, also unless F9 plans to destroy all fares in ND, then I don't think we will see anything change. FAR and GFK are now the same price to fly out of anymore.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21083 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
May have GFK-DEN to themselves until NW puts a CRJ on it for whatever reason

NW couldn't fill a Saab on GFK-DEN without some onward connecting traffic. UA's the only airline that could offer competition to DEN.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
NW couldn't fill a Saab on GFK-DEN without some onward connecting traffic. UA's the only airline that could offer competition to DEN.

 checkmark  And there is a reasonably sized group of kids that travels between the Denver area and GFK. On my last DEN-MSP-GFK flight there were a good ten people on the DEN-MSP leg connecting to the same GFK flight (which was full, kinda surprising I thought for a 10pm departure).


User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

F9 will not operate to GFK. And there will not be a new terminal in 2008. NWA is the game and GFK flight support is contracted to work F9 in fantasy land when they come here.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

The new terminal if approved will only be started in 2009


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 9):
F9 will not operate to GFK.

What makes you so sure?

At least Frontier has a name in GFK, as well as the other major cities of North Dakota. I flew on the original Frontier many years ago on a fun GFK-FAR-FSD-DEN routing on a 732.
Then Frontier II came in with the same type of aircraft, and found they couldn't make it.....however, with a Q400, with 70 seats, and a reasonable break-even load factor, I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
out of FAR they would have a lot more O&D

Fargo Metro as of 2005: 184,000
Grand Forks Metro as of 2005: 98,000

The one thing I will say is that with a nearby AF Base, they have additional transient bodies. Plus, UND is a more nationally recognized institution (Aerospace, Hockey) that score it some points.

I don't see why Frontier could not send a couple of Q400s there a day?
Why are so many so adamant that it is NO-WAY going to be GFK?
Has any advertising been seen in the Fargo area?

But were all getting worked up over nothing, no one here knows a thing, unless your business card says "Frontier Airlines" et. al. on it.....because:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Thet can't really announce anywhere, Lynx Aviation does not have its AOC approved yet.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
Has any advertising been seen in the Fargo area?

No, and I never said that they were going to go to FAR.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
I don't see why Frontier could not send a couple of Q400s there a day?

For one, people are not going to put up with a 3hr flight on a turbo prop, especially with being spoiled with jet service here for the most part.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
Why are so many so adamant that it is NO-WAY going to be GFK?

There are no gates, and NW has had a foothold in GFK for over 40 years now. With all the worldperks fliers and NW would price match, what are people going to choose. More miles and an airline that gets them there in just a bit longer then flying on a turbo prop. A lot of people here love trying to get upgrades as well and F9 can't deliver on that.

[Edited 2007-03-24 06:36:29]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24630 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
people are not going to put up with a 3hr flight on a turbo prop,

Who said it would be necessarily be turboprops? That would be Lynx Aviation, but Frontier Airlines also has the Republic Airlines E170's.

mariner

[Edited 2007-03-24 06:57:06]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21083 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 8):
On my last DEN-MSP-GFK flight there were a good ten people on the DEN-MSP leg connecting to the same GFK flight (which was full, kinda surprising I thought for a 10pm departure).

Well, if you were returning from break, there were probably a lot of other students doing the same, and maximizing their time at home by taking the latest flight.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):
Who said it would be necessarily be turboprops? That would be Lynx Aviation, but Frontier Airlines also has the Republic Airlines E170's.

It was only proposed with service by Lynx not Republic.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

I saw where DL is down to one daily RON in SLC-FAR, will they be going back to two for the summer......Nto very encouraging to sere the mdown to one daily flight in FAR

User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1097 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
For one, people are not going to put up with a 3hr flight on a turbo prop, especially with being spoiled with jet service here for the most part.

Since when did people here enjoy flying NW? Everyone I've talked to, unanimously (except you), has said nothing but bad things about NW's service here. Some competition would be welcome.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
There are no gates

Both the GFK gates are common use, you only see NW in them because they're the only airline that flies here. Whenever charters come, they all park at the gates as well.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24630 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15):
It was only proposed with service by Lynx not Republic.

Grand Forks was one of the cities on the RFP, which went to 65 cities and was for both Lynx and Republic. I believe they have responded positively, but the point remains - so far, no cities from the RFP have been announced.

The stated limit for the Q400 is about 650 miles from DEN. GFK falls within that, but SBA, for example, does not (nor does Huntsville, AL), so they used the RFP to examine all regional flying - both Lynx and Republic. Possibly even some mainline.

Frontier has - politely - asked the DOT to get a move on with the AOC, but the only Lynx hiring has been either in Denver, or, curiously, some at TUL airport.

Until the AOC is granted, Frontier can't really announce which aircraft are going to which new cities. If there is a glitch in the AOC, it would give them problems.

This is the latest filing to the DOT, which contains certain financial information that the DOT would not grant confidentiality, together with the list - five pages long - of the cities that got the RFP.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p89/459340.pdf

mariner



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 998 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 17):
Both the GFK gates are common use, you only see NW in them because they're the only airline that flies here. Whenever charters come, they all park at the gates as well.

Not too many charters park at the gates at GFK, they hard stand. Second it takes more than a gate to run a flight. A ticket counter, bag makeup, and bag claim all contribute to the operation. As GFK is made up now, it is a one airline deal. The GFKRAA said themselves that this terminal is too small to house NW alone. If GFK ever intends to get additional service, they must build a new terminal. I'm not ever known to agree with Burnsie, but as of now, GFK is NW and it's gonna stay that way. If you don't like it, you still have options.

Besides, if you want to cut into details, the city of Grand Forks is within the 100mi service area of FAR. Fargo is large enough to pull traffic from GFK but conversely, Grand Forks is not large enough to pull traffic from FAR. If F9 comes to ND for any reason, the NE corner of the state will not feature service from current GFK facilities.


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