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The New Dawn! Irish Aviation Thread 14/07  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7986 times:

Will you join in our crusade
Who will be strong and stand with me.
Beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see!

Forgive me a little exuberance, but what a way to end an old thread and start a new one! New dawn, new challenges, new opportunities. After so many long years, the shackles we imposed on ourselves are being cast aside and finally, Ireland will begin to achieve its potential as an entrepot between Europe and North America. The US this week, then Canada - hopefully - later this year.

Lots of things to look forward to: either this week or next, we should be seeing the flight times for the new routes. We could see the fleet decision being made sometime next month. As I've said before, I've often thought that one of the major hold-ups was the lack of certainty as a result of the stopover and the continuing EU/US negotiations, which made forward planning - for the interim fleet - very difficult. Now, with that out of the way, EI knows when it can offer new routes and when it will need new aircraft.

Who knows what next year will bring? Only one thing is certain: if you think Dublin Airport is bad now ... Wait 'till next year; it's going to be a zoo! However, it will be good to see United and Northwest (did I really say that? "good to see" and "Northwest" in the same sentence? I really need to get out more!)

Hopefully, the Cork Airport Authority will be able to go across to the US and start pitching to airlines; I strongly believe there is potential there for a 757 operation to the NE, either NYC or BOS.

The future looks very bright, all of a sudden!

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7973 times:

What a week and hopefully it will reflect what a year it's going to be!

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Hopefully, the Cork Airport Authority will be able to go across to the US and start pitching to airlines; I strongly believe there is potential there for a 757 operation to the NE, either NYC or BOS.

I really think CO or DL would be interested in ORK. I believe ORK has lots of potential but it is a shame about the debt and limited space at the moment.
CO or DL have expressed interest in ORK but they wanted O/S and the new terminal out of they way I think. So now they are both out of the way hopefully they will still be interested because I dont think EI will be sending any A330s down there  Wink


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 7948 times:

I love the Evening Heralds reporting. Apparently, North Western airlines is interested in flying from Dublin to detroit and cinncinnatti!!!!

On a side note, does anybody work for, or has worked for Excel/ XL airways?? Even anybody who know's somebody who's worked there!!! I'm interested to know what they're like to work for, as they're looking for DUB based CC, and i'm sick of EI not calling me, so XL seems appealing!


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 7936 times:

There are some new pictures of Dublin's future projects such as Pier D and the new walkway. Looks good and sorry if you have seen them before.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...nt/Pier_D/pierD_image_gallery.html

I can't wait to see it open but will it be mainly FR there?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 2):
On a side note, does anybody work for, or has worked for Excel/ XL airways?? Even anybody who know's somebody who's worked there!!! I'm interested to know what they're like to work for, as they're looking for DUB based CC, and i'm sick of EI not calling me, so XL seems appealing!

All I know is that they have nice AC . Sure what have you to loose , id go for it . XL on your CV will look good even if you only do it for the summer season.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 1):

I really think CO or DL would be interested in ORK. I believe ORK has lots of potential but it is a shame about the debt and limited space at the moment.

ORK certainly has bags of potential, and I agree that the debt/terminal move have been a big distraction to the CAA. Now its time to move on. Space at ORK is not that limited, all that is required are a few busses/covered walkways to the more remote stands. For commercial flights ORK has some stands available at pretty much any time of the day, it just needs to use the stands it has more efficiently. As for biz-jets and the like, things would be pretty tight.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 1):
So now they are both out of the way hopefully they will still be interested because I dont think EI will be sending any A330s down

I agree, unless perhaps the aircraft could be 'shared' with SNN, routing SNN-JFK-ORK-JFK-SNN. There would be no need for SNN/DUB crews to operate ORK-JFK, or vice-versa. I think 11 services a week for SNN split between JFK/BOS on 333 metal would suffice, initially, at least.

Brian



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
The US this week, then Canada - hopefully - later this year.

They've obviously taken delivery of a big consignment of pep pills in Kildare Street, because with the ink hardly dry on the EU/US agreement, the minister has announced that Ireland and Canada will be doing an open skies deal, along the lines of the British one, later this year. Terrific news!

Here's the link; unfortunately, it's a subscription site, but the gist of it is that the govt will be looking to conclude a deal next year which removes all limitations and frequency restrictions, including - of course - the Shannon stopover.

EI has said it "could be interested" in flights to Canada and would focus on Montreal. There could be scope for ski charters to Calgary and perhaps flights to Vancouver and Montreal.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2007/0324/1174528536763.html


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Hi all, Well just wondering if anyone read the ''Travel Extra'' newspaper. There are some interesting articles in this issue.

DAA are in talks with MH/SQ/TG for possible airlinks to Dublin. I wish them well with this . Dublin seems to be on a roll at the moment so heres hoping.

Area 14 dilemma solved. The €17m facility will be used by long haul airlines other than EI. So I guess EY/GF/DL/CO/AA will all move down there in due course.

Vision Air has been looking for a direct service from DUB to LOS to get more use from its 767!!! It has been looking for access to STN but could choose DUB!!!! (cant wait)!!!

Cityjet will not launch any new route from Dublin until the DAA improve infrastructure according to its chief executive Geoffrey O'Byrne.

And to my suprise there was a big write up in this issue on the Azores!!!! And yours truly is in one of the photos!!!!

Have a good weekend .


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 3):
I can't wait to see it open but will it be mainly FR there?

Doubt it, I'm sure it will take up the traffic from the C Pier when it closes (Or Half Closes) but also the extra capacity thats been coming on stream increasing had no place to go. But Time will tell I guess.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Area 14 dilemma solved. The €17m facility will be used by long haul airlines other than EI. So I guess EY/GF/DL/CO/AA will all move down there in due course.

Is this really solving anything though? Most of these airlines have flights in the mornings, with few flights in the evenings and late afternoons (EY are the only ones who spring to mind). I think it will still be a zoo at DUB at most times of the day. The only real problems at DUB are are around the FR check-ins the rest may be busy, but they are definitely as chaotic or as conjested as the FR areas.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 8):
Doubt it, I'm sure it will take up the traffic from the C Pier when it closes (Or Half Closes) but also the extra capacity thats been coming on stream increasing had no place to go. But Time will tell I guess.

Pier D is designed as a "low-cost" area for DUB, for swift turnarounds and short haul aircraft. There will not be any air bridges AFAIK and the DAA have already announced that PierD will be mainly used by FR.

Who knows where the a/c at Pier C will go....perhaps to the new remote stands?

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7787 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 9):
Is this really solving anything though? Most of these airlines have flights in the mornings, with few flights in the evenings and late afternoons (EY are the only ones who spring to mind). I think it will still be a zoo at DUB at most times of the day. The only real problems at DUB are are around the FR check-ins the rest may be busy, but they are definitely as chaotic or as conjested as the FR areas.

I still think FR should be forced to area 14 as it would seperate the LCC from the others and cause alot less congestion, also a seperate security area should be set up for the LCC also. It makes sense and would free up the main terminal for new carriers.


User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I still think FR should be forced to area 14 as it would seperate the LCC from the others and cause alot less congestion, also a seperate security area should be set up for the LCC also. It makes sense and would free up the main terminal for new carriers.

I know we're along way away from even having terminal two operational, but could the DAA not take a leaf out of Marseille airport's book and look into building a dedicated 'no-frills' terminal like the mp2 one Marseille built. I mean, the McEvaddy brother's were proposing to build their own terminal at the other side of thew airport, so surely the DAA could look into building a facility away from the existing Terminal 1 and 2 area which would facilitate what Brian described Pier D to be:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 9):
for swift turnarounds and short haul aircraft

...it wouldn't have to be a 'Taj-Mahal' of a terminal, as MOL likes to call terminal two, it would just have basic facilities and a simple and efficient method of processing large volumes of PAX (security, baggage, etc) utilising low-cost airlines. It would obviously have to have lower charges in order to entice any of the LCCs over there. If you think about it, it would mean Ryanair (who in fairness, as OA260 pointed out, are one of the top two contributors to the current congestion),SkyEurope, Centralwings, Germanwings and FlyBE would have lower cost facilities, and facilities better equipped to facilitate tight-turnarounds.

Terminal one could then be used to facilitate the charter airlines, Full-service short-haul & long-haul carriers (including the expected arrival of NW and United birds); Terminal two would then facilitate EI's short-haul and long-haul aircraft, along with the aircraft of its partners. I'm not sure of the stands available for long/short haul aircraft for both T1 and T2, so i'm not sure if the afore mentioned is operationally possible, but i'm merely surmising.

[Edited 2007-03-24 12:41:00]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 11):
I know we're along way away from even having terminal two operational, but could the DAA not take a leaf out of Marseille airport's book and look into building a dedicated 'no-frills' terminal like the mp2 one Marseille built. I mean, the McEvaddy brother's were proposing to build their own terminal at the other side of thew airport, so surely the DAA could look into building a facility away from the existing Terminal 1 and 2 area which would facilitate what Brian described Pier D to be:

Yes well that would be the ''sensible'' option but it is DAA we are talking about . One thing I can never understand about this country is the mind set of the way they do business here, it seems like they FIX things when they break rather than replace. If its gonna last us for another 5 years even though its under pressure then do nothing. I really find it weird for a country thats supposed to be one of the richest in EU. Where is all the money going????

Wouldnt it be great if DAA said ok we will flatten Dublin airport and build a airport like AMS all under on roof with a high speed rail link to Dublin city centre. One big terminal with 40 air bridges and 20 security scanners that all work at peak hours to reduce queing times. In turn you would attract top class airlines and boost Irish tourism and transit traffice as a mini hub.


User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

First of all great news about open skies. The potential is there to make it really work in EIs favour. It is great to see the new routes being announced and hopefully it will lead to further l/h expansion at EI.

My one gripe at the moment is transfers. Why do transfer pax have to go out and clear security again at Dub. It is a pain to have to explain to pax where they have to go for their onward connection. It adds to the mayhem at Dub and from talking to pax it is annoying for them. As EI cabin crew passengers say it is my fault that they have to do this  irked . I remember a few years ago there was a transfer lounge airside in Dub. This was very good for pax and made Dub a good place to transit. Dub has the advantage of immigration clearance but is let down by the requirement to go landside, clear security to come back airside to board your onward flight. I was speaking with a pax who was going BCN-DUB-JFK and vv who said he would never go through Dub again, Iberia, who he hated with a passion, was better than flying through Dublin. I believe something has to be done about this. If there is a need to clear security in Dub, why not set up somewhere airside that would mean transfer passengers not going landside.


Going back to the red dots on the seats  duck  it was asked in the previous forum why some of the never aircraft EI-DEB and DEF were mentioned have the big meatball and CVB has the minimeatball, a possible reason is that CVA-CVD were refitted from 159 to 174 seats after the initial deliveries of the DEx aircraft and by that stage EI had cutback on the meatballs they served. I do also agree that green seats would be preferable to blue. The BAe146 were fitted with green leather seats in 2002. They looked very well. I believe that was an experiment to see the durability of leather over material seat covers. It cost them €150,000 (iirc) to recover the material seats with leather for the fleet of 146s and they had recouped that in a very short time through reductions in cleaning costs of the material seats.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Wouldnt it be great if DAA said ok we will flatten Dublin airport and build a airport like AMS all under on roof with a high speed rail link to Dublin city centre. One big terminal with 40 air bridges and 20 security scanners that all work at peak hours to reduce queing times. In turn you would attract top class airlines and boost Irish tourism and transit traffice as a mini hub.

I've always thought the best option would be to have a new T3 facility at the far side of the airport and this is already planned by Fingal CC; however, because the DAA isn't likely to be operating it, they're planning to get 100% of the airport's operations confined to "their" side of the airport. Unfortunately, because the govt seems have to give the DAA its head and not interfere too much ... hence we're unlikely to see this for quite a while.

My solution:
The DAA is relieved of its terminal operator status, but is given responsibility for overall airfield operations, for the entire property. Individual terminals - pax and cargo - would be operated by reputable, well known operators and will pay rental and service charges to the DAA. The DAA will be responsible for fire/emergency services, public transport management, security, grounds maintenance, airfield/navaid maintenance etc.


User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

Kaitak, that is a great idea...........which is why it won't happen

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
I've always thought the best option would be to have a new T3 facility

Build T3 and T2 with an underground shuttle between them then knock down the current embarrasement and WOW we have a new airport with top class facilites.


Another thing I read in the ''Travel Extra'' was the following::

''Aer Lingus has completed its upgrade of the business product on their long haul aircraft to Dubai and the USA. The refit involves a new business cabin,new carpets,new lighting,new covers and electronic seating in Premier seats,power points for laptops in Premier,upgraded inflight entertainment facilities including hande held Panasonic DVD players in Premier. The make over will be completed by April 1st''

So is this it then ???? They are just putting new seat covers on and no new flatbed seats???? Im confused!!!!


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Area 14 dilemma solved. The €17m facility will be used by long haul airlines other than EI. So I guess EY/GF/DL/CO/AA will all move down there in due course.

I'm pretty sure DL, CO and AA wont


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7660 times:
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I notice that the Shannon ATC link is working again on http://www.liveatc.net. It's been down for some while now and it's great to see it back up again!!

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
So is this it then ???? They are just putting new seat covers on and no new flatbed seats???? Im confused!!!!

They want Premier to be relaunched by April but from what DM said last week the "cocoon" seats are still being installed on new aircraft EI-DUO and EI-DUZ.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

I wonder if they will every use the new AC on the DUB to AGP run when they are not being used. Would be nice to see it. Failing that a long haul trip may be on the cards.


Irish Summertime starts in a few hours , dont forget to move your clocks FORWARD an hour !!! Time to throw out the old timetables.....

[Edited 2007-03-25 00:32:08]

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Apparently, significant announcements are to be made in the coming week ... the 787 order and the new EI base. Word has it that it's going to be ... London! I can't say I'm too happy about that ...

User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21):
London! I can't say I'm too happy about that ...

YOU WHAT?! Oh no. Well it can't be LHR unless they sacrifice some of their SNN/ORK/DUB flights; They wouldn't dare enter Stansted, would they? Luton also has both EZY and RYR in large portions, so that leaves LGW. There's a significant EZY presence there with RYR just on the Dublin, Shannon and Cork routes. I've heard slots aren't exactly easy to come by either, well, the RIGHT slots, with a few carriers like Helvetic after moving their operations to Luton to secure the optimum times. Not quite sure what EI are going to do here. Unless they shock us all and buy a few Avros and launch a base at LCY or Southend!! (Joking of course)


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 21):
Apparently, significant announcements are to be made in the coming week ... the 787 order and the new EI base. Word has it that it's going to be ... London! I can't say I'm too happy about that ...

So we are sure it's going to be a 787 order then? Either way I'm happy!

London? That would be a bad move, at every airport you have LCCs apart from LHR where you have BD and BA who would be pretty annoyed to have EI taking them on but if EI can offer lower fares than BA and BD who knows! Also dont EI have unused slots at LHR, they are the fourth largest slot holder arent they?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 23):
London? That would be a bad move, at every airport you have LCCs apart from LHR where you have BD and BA who would be pretty annoyed to have EI taking them on but if EI can offer lower fares than BA and BD who knows! Also dont EI have unused slots at LHR, they are the fourth largest slot holder arent they?

Hmm well EI always had an un official base at LHR . In the old days they had a big presence in T1 and handled many other airlines in T3 and T2. It would be nice to see them big at LHR again, those slots are gold dust.


25 Shamrock350 : I remember watching the program "Airport" on BBC1 and Aer Lingus was all over the place, they had staff in T2 and T3 we saw EI handling other airline
26 OA260 : Yep I was on one of the first A320 flights !!! God thats going back. I used to be on EI every few weeks between DUB and LHR back then in the nice Pre
27 Shamrock350 : My first EI A320 flight was probably between LHR-SNN and it was strange, I had no idea why it seemed bigger and why it had triangles on the tips of th
28 EI321 : The A321s came first[Edited 2007-03-25 13:53:19]
29 Shamrock350 : I know. I hadn't been on an A321 before I didn't even know what they were I would have only been 7 or 8 years old. Did Aer Lingus send the A321 on th
30 EI321 : I think so, but not 100% sure. The A321s were bought specifically for LHR, so I presume some were/still are actually based there. More a case of EI s
31 OA260 : I actually prefer the A320's . Although I had many a good flight on the 737's.
32 Post contains images Shamrock330 : Say it isn't so! Good grief, in the week that EI are finally starting to make progress in the routes department along with substantial increases in t
33 OA260 : They would not be allowed to operate from these gates 86-90 something. This is indeed only for flights between the UK and Ireland. They would have to
34 Shamrock350 : I think Aer Lingus want a base where they can start both short and long-haul operations. Bx737 and a few others have said that Aer Lingus will move to
35 EI321 : Its difficult to tell, but the first A320 arrived in june 2000, and the second arrived in Feb 2001.
36 Shamrock350 : My flight would have been either summer 1999 or 2000 so there is a possibility that it could have been either the 320 or 321.
37 OA260 : Also there is a large Irish population in London and so maybe they would choose to fly EI but im not sure they would be that loyal. If you live in th
38 BrianDromey : My first Airbus flight was an A321 ORK-FAO. It was a red-eye charter on behalf of Budget Travel. Late June in the summers of 1998 and 1999. I didnt r
39 COEI2007 : I've also noticed some staff in DUB will be boarding a flight one week, and the next week they're cabin crew!
40 Shamrock330 : Thats quite interesting, firstly I never knew that slots could be leased. Secondly, if EI has more slots than it currently uses, then who are these s
41 David_itl : Well they did well enough out of MAN on their 5th freedom services up to the mid 1970s for BA to get them scaled back by appealing to the UK Governme
42 Toulouse : What 787 order Kaitak? Is this just wishful thinking on your behalf, have I missed a major announcement, is it a typo or do you have some information
43 COEI2007 : I think 10 is enough. Remember, EI doesnt serve any other London airports, like it did in the past (LCY, LGW and STN). I think its important to maint
44 Shamrock330 : I think its just a rumour , albeit from a reliable source, over on PPrune.
45 Toulouse : Thanks Shamrock, I just checked pprune (except I have forgotten my password and can't retrieve it as I set up my account there on an email address I
46 Shamrock350 : It's that way with me. I live in Harrow, which is only 30 minutes from LHR (on a good day) getting to LTN or LGW isnt too bad but STN is too far away
47 Post contains images Rineanna : That same thread on pprune says that Today FM reported a US base for EI!!! I think somepeople are getting carried away with all the excitement of lat
48 Shamrock330 : Exactly, its crucial to remember that it is the professional pilots RUMOUR network. There is a hell of a lot of bull on there that never came to pass
49 BrianDromey : I think there is a 'grey' market in slots. I saw somewhere that UA have some leased to VS, but Im not too sure if thats correct or not. I wonder wihe
50 OA260 : You mean to say you havnt heard!!!! LOL.... they are having an Obriens sandwich bar on the upper deck and vending machines on the lower deck. Know it
51 Poitin : Those must be the planes they plan to fly to MCO full of tourists off to see Mickey Mouse. Wonder if they will have a real pub in any of them? That w
52 Post contains images Al2637 : I think most of what gets posted on here and prune is mostly BS. The worrying thing is that too many people treat a rumor on the net as if it was an o
53 EI321 : DONT TRUST THE STUFF YOU READ ON PPRUNE! Honestly the pprune roumers akmost never come true! Anyone remember the post by some guy claiming he had insi
54 Aerarann : Its far more than 10, DUB-LHR is 13 times daily this summer, ORK - LHR is 5 times daily and LHR-SNN 4 times daily!!!
55 EI321 : Dont EI own 23 LHR slots, is one leased out?
56 AerArann : I just think theres not demand at present for an extra flight to any irish destination.
57 EI321 : Do they lease the 23rd then? Its hardly just sitting there unused! Article in the indo today estimates the EI LHR slots are worth up to €700m with
58 AerArann : Martin Cullen signfied before that he felt, that a "every 90 minute" service on DUB-LHR was sufficient in the future, which could reduce DUB-LHR to 11
59 Bx737 : In my 11 years cabin crew have never checked in flights. COEI2007 is right in saying that a number of people from check in were seen as cabin crew. A
60 Post contains images Shamrock350 : One of my teachers lives in Isleworth, moved there from Louth recently and his brother is a pilot for FR so he often has a little stab at EI because
61 Rineanna : Belfast, maybe? However, I agree that long-haul is probably the best way to optimise any extra slots they may have. AFAIK, BMI and BA are reducing fl
62 OA260 : Thats mad !!!! I moved from Isleworth to Louth ....LOL.......small world .
63 BrianDromey : Thanks Bx76=37. Must be the ravages of time blurring my memories! Id still swear blind though that they were in full EI uniform, which even back then
64 Post contains images Shamrock330 : Exactly. Even with five slots, where could EI make a bed for themselves that isn't already served from Heathrow. LHR is probably the most carrier div
65 Shamrock350 : Ha! I was waiting at gate 90 in LHR last year and bumped into him and my first words were "why arent you flying Ryanair" he just said "to far to driv
66 Danny : Hardly a reliable source. Of course it may be 787 indeed, 50% chance IMO.
67 EI321 : A word of advice:
68 Post contains links OA260 : The biggest thing I miss about living in West London is the plane spotting at Hatton Cross and the curry houses in Hounslow and Southall!!! You just
69 Smokeyrosco : The DAA says a lot of things, there is also lounges going into Pier D remember, plus Pier D will have separate arrivals and departures levels which i
70 OA260 : An Anetter just posted this in the ''BOS emegency now topic'' although it was about the Jetblue plane this also was mentioned. ''CO 22 just declared a
71 Post contains links Al2637 : According to The Indo this morning, the EI board considered a buyout of BMI earlier this year. http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...3?ca=184&si=1800
72 OA260 : " target=_blank>http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...15412 LOL....thats hard to believe , I also considered emigrating to Australia LOL.... How coul
73 Post contains images Shamrock330 : What the ...? Exactly To be honest I don't know if EI management have their heads about them. Even the notion of a BMI/Flybe buyout seems ludacrious.
74 BrianDromey : True, but like the airbridges, they dont actually have to build the lounges from Day1. Also remember that lounges can make money for the likes of Glo
75 Smokeyrosco : The IPO, they did say that there was a backup plan if openskies didn't go through... think of the aircraft and the additional LHR slots it would have
76 EIBoston : A little off topic here. Does anyone know the website I can use to track where a particular aircraft has flown in the last month. e.g let me track whe
77 OA260 : Yeah I noticed an Air Canada B767 at the A gates last August when I was boarding my Swiss flight. It was next to us.
78 Post contains links IKECVN69 : EI Boston, Here is the link you requested. http://www.antonakis.co.uk/acars.php?page=request
79 EIBoston : " target=_blank>http://www.antonakis.co.uk/acars.php...quest Thank you IKECVN69!
80 EIRules : I totally agree. For long haul airlines flying to DUB that get little connection traffic (Im suggesting AC, US, DL, CO) I think it will suit some of
81 Smokeyrosco : This is the bit I'm trying to figure out, I could see US immigration facilities being set up towards the end of the pier so the last 4 or 6 gates may
82 COEI2007 : Where'd you find this info out?
83 Post contains links EI787 : He got it here: Emergency At BOS Now! 1920 EDT (by HighFlyer9790 Mar 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)
84 OA260 : EI787 , I see your heading to BJS on CA. I flew them before and they are good , you should enjoy it. I would love to see a TR from you on this if you
85 EI787 : Yep, this Saturday - a school tour! There will be 37 of us going from Dunboyne (Co Meath) for a week. And yes, I am planning a trip report! I've hear
86 BrianDromey : That would be all very well, except that the temporary boarding gates would block access to many of the Pier D gates. The temoporary area HAS to go,
87 OA260 : Hmm well better than me !!! I was sent every year to Germany for 3 weeks with school to learn German. We flew on a BAC1-11 from LHR to CGN. Then in t
88 Post contains links and images EI787 : Ah feck it...I was hoping for a bit of room on the plane!! I went last yr with my school to Beijing as well (Trip report here: School Tour To Beijing
89 Post contains links OA260 : Hard to tell exactly but I would suspect there are around 10 to 20 seats free at the moment. So nearly full!!! Well it is Easter so I guess its busy.
90 EI787 : No, we won't be seeing them - however, we do pretty much everything else!! What do you think of my edit in my previous post? Could anything like that
91 OA260 : And all your mates in Y !!!!LOL.... I have sent you a private message .
92 Post contains images EI787 : Hehe...I wouldn't really mind if it meant sitting in J....I could always wave back at them in economy!! [Edited 2007-03-26 19:09:08]
93 Aerarann : Does anyone know who handles RE and BE @ GWY, as in provides Check-In / Boarding / Dispatch Thanks
94 Post contains images Rineanna : I'd imagine it's the airport itself which handles all that. I think it's a bit too small to have a third-party like Servisair-Peauville on site. I th
95 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I usually go up to Harrow-on-the-hill and do some spotting but only if I cant get down to LHR, it's nice but today I came back with sunburn in March!
96 OA260 : LOL....spot the Irish guy!!! Yeah Ive heard Hounslow has got rough , shame as it never used to be like that. Id love to spend a Saturday at Hatton Cr
97 Shamrock350 : I used to get a nice colour but recently I just go red but I was shocked seeing as it's march and all last week I was freezing and wearing scarf and
98 Al2637 : On the US immigration clearance in DUB/SNN, does anyone else think this is in danger from the push to make it easier for Irish to live/work in the US?
99 OA260 : I dont know why but I thought EI contributed to this service!!! There was talk of them scrapping it when EI went low cost but then EI said they would
100 Shamrock330 : I don't think so. Why would it be abolished? I'd be interested to delve into why you think so. These days the United States is practically a police s
101 Smokeyrosco : FR aren't the only people that use the temporary boarding gates, FR will not be the sole occupier of Pier D Remember Pier C has only 6 gates of which
102 Smokeyrosco : I doubt it, with open skies (and some clever code sharing hopefully) DUB and indeed SNN have a real unique opportunity to become real US-EURO hubs
103 Post contains links OA260 : I think only Ireland , Canada and some Caribbean states have this pre clearance. It is an asset and saves the long ques on arrival so they should keep
104 Al2637 : Well, the reason it was set up was because of the large number of Irish illegals trying to enter the US. The US authorities thought it would be more
105 Dstc47 : The suggestion that pre-clearance has had some relationship to the number of Irish illegals refused in the USA is, I believe wholly wrong. It was some
106 Smokeyrosco : I agree, I'm pretty sure I remember the US looking at the possibility of several pre immigration through out Europe, I know for certain that this was
107 Bx737 : The ground staff uniform is the exact same as the cabin crew uniform. Some female ground crew wear a version of the male uniform, they have a supervi
108 Post contains links Shamrock350 : That's what we like to see from FR! http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=07&month=mar&story=gen-en-260307
109 Post contains images EISHN : As good lookin as those girls are, I think I would still be tempted to stick with EI. BTW HAPPY A.NET BIRTHDAY SHAMROCK350- Hopefully with many more
110 Toulouse : I with you on that! And happy a.net birthday to you Shamrock350!
111 BrianDromey : Still though.....even in the "good ole days" would EI have had fully uniformed ground crews at all the destinations they served? I honestly dont thin
112 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : http://www.shannonairport.com/company/mediacentre/history.html
113 Post contains links Rineanna : Here's a Dáil Éireann article on the pre-clearance facility: Source: http://historical-debates.oireachtas...ie/D/0367/D.0367.198606060003.html
114 Post contains images EISHN : They don't look as orange as others might. At least thats my opinion [Edited 2007-03-27 18:25:36]
115 Post contains links Shamrock350 : EI and B6 could be close to announcing what the link will include. http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8353
116 Bx737 : In the good old days (pre 9/11) EI used to have uniformed staff at all of their European scheduled destinations. Depending the station they may have
117 Provance : I would be at all suprised to see a relaunched version of aerlingus.com in the next few weeks - with the addition of the new US routes and the partner
118 Rineanna : Only four more days to go, yes?
119 Shamrock350 : I would love it if they did but I hope it doesn't mean that it turns into one of those sites where it looks great but doesn't work! The US route map
120 Toulouse : Just seen EI have a special spring offer on aerlingus.com... for all you based back in Ireland they're offering Europe from €9 for flight before May
121 OA260 : Agreed, the natural look is much better. Yep April 1st!!!! Yes they are trying to soften the blow to the Gold Circle Elite members that arnt too happ
122 EIRules : I cannot help but think that this was a big mistake. I think EI should have stuck with OneWorld (or perhaps considered looking to another alliance).
123 EISHN : One of the worst things that DM has done for EI. EI are now talking about setting up a new hub somewhere in Europe, so as to get their name out their
124 Toulouse : I've also always been totally against EI leaving OneWorld.
125 Post contains images OA260 : Oh well I still think EI are not that bad even with the benefits gone . Their best asset now is their cabin crew so lets hope they dont p@@s them off
126 Post contains images EISHN : WOW OA260!!! Great photos, I have a few similar ones to yours, but they were taken in Toulouse and Seattle Will try and upload them tomorrow. Once aga
127 Toulouse : Brilliant photos OA260, thanks!!!! I must delve through some of my older photos and see if I find any good EI ones and post them.
128 OA260 : Id really love to see interior photos of the old EI 747's ??? Anyone have any please please post. I would love to see what J and Y class looked like b
129 JWMD123 : Just on that point Toulouse, i booked/took two flights recently on EI. One to CDG and the other to BHX. I noticed that the flights were not counted o
130 Toulouse : Have had many similar problems with gold Circle JWMD123... Gold Circle needs a a makeover as well! Same happened to me recently. The famous 150 points
131 OA260 : Thats crazy guys !!! Thats the reason I left gold circle , it just wasnt worth the hassle. You go online and get a fare and its pot luck if you get mi
132 JWMD123 : At least I am not the only one Let's just say I responded to their email very strongly. I argued that I am longstanding customer with them. Also i ha
133 Danny : I agree that this part of Gold Circle sucks. You have no influence on what fare you get but then they tell you no points. Happened to me number of tim
134 Toulouse : Just to correct myself as I gave incorrect info last night, to renew membership if you have not earned the famous 2400 points in one year, if you hav
135 OA260 : I wonder if they will ever bring back the ability to buy GC membership??? Didnt it used to be IEP£150 or something???
136 Dstc47 : Preclearance revisited While the Americans did have a tendancy to see the reds under the bed, I do not, unlike others, believe that the oil tank farm
137 Post contains links and images EISHN : Right, this is for OA260, and I suppose maybe Toulouse as well. After seeing OA260s' pictures last night I decided I would share some of my old EI pho
138 Smokeyrosco : It's unusual to see people disembark using 1R
139 OA260 : Well thats brilliant EISHN, I actually have a model of the old A330 and the new livery also. Doesnt it look so new back then just like a car out of t
140 Smokeyrosco : Dosen't really say anything that we didn't already know or assume but it's taken from the Irish Indo
141 Post contains links and images EISHN : Okay heres some more for you all. This is from the Seattle collection, I don't know where the Toulouse one is but I will look for it tonight. This is
142 OA260 : Ok well some advice!!!! I need to do a daytrip to Cork and have checked out FR and RE. To my suprise FR was €44 return all in and RE are €109 all
143 Provance : Ya, definately go with FR - You'll only be in teh air for about 20 minutes
144 Rineanna : Ya, give them a second chance. It's 5 minutes faster after all!:D
145 OA260 : Nice pics EISHN thanks for those . I will have to see what I can dig out tonight LOL.... Funny how you got the similar photo of the engine like mine
146 COEI2007 : When you're booking, make sure its Y, B, H, K, M, V, N, X, S or R to get points. Its simple! I think the EI method is a bit basic, but it works fine
147 OA260 : But how do you know if you are in N or H or V class when you choose your fare????
148 Toulouse : It's not that simple COEI2007. Firstly this is a relatively new rule. Secondly, if we book on aerlingus.com, which is what Ei wants us to do, we have
149 BrianDromey : I see....amazing to see how times have changed. Thanks for the history lesson....I was under the impression the yanks pushed for the pre-clearence. G
150 Post contains links and images EISHN : Right heres some more pictures from Seattle and Toulouse. BTW none of these photos were taken by myself. They were taken by my dad, his colleagues and
151 Shamrock350 : Amazing pics guys! EISHN, those photos of EI-SHN and EI-DUB were great. Does anyone know how long the A330s lasted in that livery? I expect it was onl
152 EISHN : Thanks Shamrock350. I owe the thanks to my dad really, just leaving all this stuff lying around in a drawer:D All those phtos I found in different pla
153 EIRules : Excellent pics, that A330 looks like a different aircraft in the old paint scheme
154 Shamrock330 : Oh my God I love the A330's in the old paint scheme! Bring back the old paint scheme!!!!!!!!!!!
155 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus could do with those pics on the new website, they would fit in well with a "history of Aer Lingus" page. I really like the pictures of the
156 OA260 : BRILLIANT pics , thanks for sharing , we would not have seen them only for you. I really miss the old livery . I think they should paint one in the ol
157 Kaitak : The old livery was nice, but I think the new one is better. My favourite was the old "Irish International Airlines" livery, as worn on the original 72
158 Shamrock350 : I have been checking everyday, EI said early in the week its now the end of the week and nothing. Also I see that BA are delaying their order for A35
159 EISHN : I've taken the first step in uploading my large photos of EI-SHn to the a.net and mayaviation.net databases. Thanks OA260 for suggesting it. I will at
160 Kaitak : I noticed that and likewise, Emirates. I think the issue is that both Airbus and Boeing are on the cusp of launching their respective new models, the
161 COEI2007 : If you read the fare rules, it will tell you your class of service. You dont need to make the booking, or recieve an e-ticket to do this.
162 COEI2007 : Oh, SFO flights are available on EI.com. Departing TU, TH and SA. EI 147 Dep DUB 9.15 Arr SFO 12.15 EI 146 Dep SFO 14.30 Arr DUB 8.30 A lot of dates a
163 OA260 : What dates you putting in caus its not comming up when I do it ????
164 Bx737 : Thanks very much for the photos EI-SHN, they are fantastic. You really have succeeded in wowing everyone again, well done. The current livery was intr
165 Toulouse : Thanks for that COEI2007... that's what I get for never reading the rules. However, how do I know the class I'm in. Below this is what I got under "f
166 Post contains images Shamrock330 : Me too. I really hate the way you can't decide on which fare bucket you dip into, so frustrating as the only way to get point earning classes is by t
167 Toulouse : Thanks for that. Once your past the initial qualification, the points from each month last for 36 months... here's what it says on aerlingus.com: 4 V
168 Shamrock350 : The new routes will probably take a while to load into the system, it is the biggest EI l/h expansion in some time. The only routes I can find are the
169 OA260 : I guess its not too bad . One round trip to LAX gets you Gold Circle status if you fly Premier. Its not a bad deal. The lack of lounge access and rout
170 Post contains images Toulouse : Well OA260, have you taken the plunge, gone down that dark lane, and booked with FR... and consequently going down in my estimation of you? If I were
171 OA260 : LOL....I havnt booked it but my friend is texting me everyday ''have you booked yet'' .....I really dont know. I live North of Dublin thus being clos
172 ABC9 : You could always do what I did a few months ago OA260 and fly 1 leg with each - the flight times just suited me better that way on the day, total cos
173 Post contains images Toulouse : Just promise me one thing... as you know MOL will pull out all his tricks to convert you... but PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR IT! Just remember this time you
174 Post contains images Toulouse : Back to Gold Circle. I got a letter from them today, I'm sure some of you may have already received it, but in case not, here ares ome interesting fac
175 COEI2007 : Are you sure. I havent got a letter yet, and want to book flights with BA and AA, but want to make sure I get the points!
176 COEI2007 : I put in 12th of DEC for outbound, and 19th DEC for inbound. It came to E600 rtn incl taxes, which is very good. The cheapest alternative I found was
177 Toulouse : I'm very sure as I'm reading the letter in front of me! Are you in Ireland... funny that they manage to send the letter to somebody in France first.
178 EISHN : I read that EI have dropped their dedicated Premier and Gold Circle check in desks. Is this really true? This seems a little extreme, even for EI. It
179 Toulouse : Again in the letter I received today, yet I don't know how much we can believe it, it says amongst other things: With Gold Circle Club membership you
180 Post contains images OA260 : Hmmm thats not bad at least. With good AA route network there is plenty of earning oppertunities. Dont worry TLS I will never be a FR fan its just th
181 Post contains images Toulouse : Say no more, say no more.
182 Post contains images OA260 : Is SNN an alternative ??? How far is it miles wise??? Would be an excuse to fly the A330!!!! I might even be changing my mind on the SNN stopover LOL
183 COEI2007 : Theres still Premier/Gold Circle check-in. Its across from the pharmacy, at the end of area 4. I saw it yesterday!
184 Post contains links EISHN : http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/aer_ling.htm "Interesting to note that the dedicated Premier / Gold Circle check in desk appears to have gone - an
185 OA260 : Got some promotional info today on Etihad. They are doing very well already in advance bookings. SYD fares from €950 plus tax but taxes via AUH are
186 COEI2007 : Thats what oil money can do for you. Its quite amazing, that in most areas of the world, full-service airlines are cutting back on frills and are bei
187 Provance : there website is terrible though
188 COEI2007 : Well, maybe oil money cant buy you a good web designer??? Either way, its far better than EI.com!
189 Shamrock350 : Looks better but doesn't work as well. Aer Lingus is ugly but works, hopefully EI can design a site that works and looks good at the same time. I hat
190 Post contains links Kaitak : Forfas, a state agency involved in industrial development (which I thought was the IDA's job, but there we go) has issued a report pointing to DUB - a
191 EISHN : Thats good, maybe this guy in particular just didn't see them. I was just wondering, who does EI handling at airports in Europe, Dubai, and the U.S.,
192 Rineanna : I agree 100% with you there, Shamrock350. The Easyjet opening page, where it asks you to pick your language, states that your selection will be remem
193 Toulouse : I think that depends on the airport in question. The airports I most frequently fly EI from are Toulouse, Bordeaux, Charles de Gaulle and Madrid Bara
194 EI321 : time for a fresh thread me thinks!
195 EISHN : I very much, highly doubt that we will see EI return to european routes from SNN. FR will just crush EI at SNN. Its all price driven down here, and I
196 Toulouse : Very true, but one thing that bugs me (and also probably cookies and all that) is that whenever I log onto ei.com from my laptop I get the US site (n
197 Sllevin : I don't know Gold Circle rules, but I do know that from the AA side, the earnings are EI are more meager (no elite bonus) and no qualifying points. F
198 BrianDromey : I think its Menzies at LHR, butI could be wrong, whoever they are they seem to be a pretty small operation, as I always see the same faces up in the
199 COEI2007 : I know GLA, EDI and BHX has Servisair handling EI!
200 OA260 : LOL....I guess saying to someone Im flying into SNN to get to Cork so I could ride the A330 would be taking the p@@s but if they really like me I gue
201 Post contains images Rineanna : Is that a year round or seasonal service? That's a pity. Was that phased out due to the cost-cutting, or was there another reason? I would have thoug
202 Sllevin : Servisair (I think, but definitely a third party) already does AF/KL checkin at SFO, so I would expect EI to do the same... Steve
203 OA260 : I was looking on the website but cant find the timetable. I was looking in May and see fares for GBP.9 each way . Quite good but they only fly a few
204 Shamrock330 : I had the same problem and it was easily fixed. I went tools>internet options>general>languages button at the bottom and choose english (ireland)) ve
205 OA260 : Shamrock330 ....your a Gentleman and a Scholar!!!! It worked , thanks a mill.
206 Post contains links Kaitak : Good morning everyone! I think, with 205 posts, it's time to move on to No. 15/07, so here we go: Irish Aviation Thread 15/07 ... The Next Phase (by K
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