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L'avion Expanding Into The Middle East  
User currently offlineTimo007 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Hi All,

I was reading an aritcle here: http://www.ameinfo.com/110575.html that states that L'avion is planning on expanding its all business class airline with another 757 and a flight to the middle east. Last I read the company had a load factor of around 30% on their EWR-ORY flights.

Does anyone have updated load information or any other information on this middle east expansion?

Cheers,

Timothy

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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3584 times:

it would be smart if the did a same plane service EWR-ORY-XXX (<-- MIDDLE EAST CITY ) to see if they can increase their loads. There is too much competition US-PARIS but not US-Middle east

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3571 times:

I personally think that L'Avion might find some more revenue on a ORY-Middle East flight then they are currently having on their ORY-EWR flights.

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 1):
not US-Middle east

I'd say there are quiet a few US-Middle East flights however you are right, not as much as US-Paris.

US-Middle East Current Flights

Emirates:

JFK-DXB 777-300ER
JFK-DXB 777-300ER
JFK-HAM-DXB A340-500
IAH-DXB 777-200LR (Starting October)

Etihad Airways:

JFK-DXB A340-500

Qatar Airways:

EWR-GVA-DOH A330-200 (Starting June)
IAD-DOH A340-600 (Starting June)

Kuwait Airlines:

JFK-KWI 777-200
JFK-LHR-KWI A340-300

Egyptair:

JFK-CAI 777-200
ORD-CAI 777-200 (?)

PIA:

JFK-MAN-ISB 777-200ER/LR 777-300ER

Delta Airlines:

ATL-DXB 777-200 (Starting June)



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User currently offlineFlymd From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

When did Egyptair start ORD service?

Don't forget RJ flights (ORD-AMM, JFK-AMM and DTW-AMM, all on A-340)



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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Don't forget UA IAD-KWI

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting Flymd (Reply 3):
When did Egyptair start ORD service?

Your right they don't fly to ORD, not sure why I thought that.

Can't believe I forgot Royal Jordanian also!



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 1):
Egyptair:

JFK-CAI 777-200
ORD-CAI 777-200 (?)



Quoting Flymd (Reply 3):
When did Egyptair start ORD service?

Egyptair doesn't fly to ORD , they used to fly CAI-JFK-LAX ( twice weekly ) til after Sep/11 when the JFK-LAX sector was dropped . They are flying daily CAI-JFK-CAI using B772 .

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
Etihad Airways:

JFK-DXB A340-500

I believe you meant JFK-AUH 
United Airlines fly 3/weekly to KWI , just started few months ago .

[Edited 2007-03-24 14:32:40]


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
I believe you meant JFK-AUH

Oh my, can't believe I made that mistake either haha!



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Perhaps ORY-Beirut, back door connecting service between the US and Lebanon.


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

What about TLV ? Israel belongs to the Middle East isn't it ?


Alex!!!



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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

LX,LH,KL,Maxjet, silverjet + all the regular airlines, the Atlantic is a battlefield.
I think L'Avion can find a great market in the Middle East, maybe India or some points in Africa. The key is to open new markets, not to be just another one flying where everybody else is flying.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Perhaps ORY-Beirut, back door connecting service between the US and Lebanon.

This is very logical since business class is always full on AF and ME flights between PAR and BEY plus it's really difficult to find a seat during the summer season

Alex!!!



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
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Those may be less fished waters then the Atlantic to New York. New York may be the biggest destination on America but its also the first on every airline's list. Going to JFK is getting to be like going to LHR, even Thai, Cathay, Singapore, Emirates and SAA. Every airline from Eastern Europe flies or flew to JFK. The only airline from the non-Americas I would love to see at JFK is Kenya Airways.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Perhaps ORY-Beirut, back door connecting service between the US and Lebanon.

Beirut is probably the biggest Middle East market from Paris.

There are three daily CDG-BEY flights with Air France flying a daily 777-300ER while MEA flies a daily A330-200 and a daily A321-200.

A few years ago, a French charter airline called Star Airlines started up CDG-BEY hoping to attract passengers by offering low fares, but they failed to puncture the market and eventually withdrew.



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Perhaps if they tried advertising in New York they might start having better loads. I work in the travel industry and most of my coworkers haven't even heard of the airline, or they heard a rumor one was going to start flying EWR-Paris...

A friend flew them last week and wasn't terribly impressed. Their seats aren't very spacious, and the food wasn't great, although their prices are incredible - for now.


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 9):
What about TLV ? Israel belongs to the Middle East isn't it ?

of course it is but currently now from EWR you have 2 daily CO flights and i think one LY flight from EWR both on 777-200ER
and then from JFK you have 4-6 LY flights with 777-200ER/747-400 and then you have 6H with 3-5 weekly flights
and you used to have DL who might restart soon and many people on LH BA AF VS AZ KL and others
so unless they have very good connections i dont think its a good idea to do EWR-ORY-TLV



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 15):
i dont think its a good idea to do EWR-ORY-TLV

Remember that L'avion is a low cost Business class,it would be half price the normal fare.So why not ?


Alex!!!



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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 14):
Perhaps if they tried advertising in New York they might start having better loads.

what I heard from a fellow corporate travel manager is that they don't want to advertise because they would like to remain "exclusive", sort of word of mouth... like, if you know about them then you are cool enough, or something like that. Unfortunately, their product is not "cool" enough to get this kind of vibe (based on the reviews I have heard). So.. they should wake up and start advertising and do interesting promotions with cool boutique hotels in Paris and beyond in order to try to get that "cool" vibe.

Again, a through flight from US to middle east via paris would be great


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):

Remember that L'avion is a low cost Business class,it would be half price the normal fare.So why not ?

but so is Israir they are also normaly half price
and LY isnt bad for the business people because of its wide schedule
Meaning if they were lookin to save money they can fly Israir and if they had to go to s meetingand werent sure when it will be done they can buy an unrestricted EL AL ticket.



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