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User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

just heard that Zoom are apparently looking to start flying to Australia soon. Anyone out there have anymore info.

Maybe they won't fly the obvious YVR/SYD/YVR route, although Air Canada's new fares from OZ to Canada have gone up significantly eg. nearly AUD$300 return increase year to year in economy (cheapest peak season).

I guess Air Canada have got to pay for new 777's some how.

Zoom will surely do very well over something like old Canada 3000 route, even if they had to make a stop between YVR & BNE (not necessarily HNL).

Tom

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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Where did you hear this mate?

Would be interesting... if true, looks like the Canada - South Pacific option getting another new choice...


User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

from a tour operator who's apparently been talking to them.

Apparently only question is when & how many flights per week.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Thread starter):
Maybe they won't fly the obvious YVR/SYD/YVR route, although Air Canada's new fares from OZ to Canada have gone up significantly eg. nearly AUD$300 return increase year to year in economy (cheapest peak season).

Well because of the current bi-lateral they can only go thru SFO & HNL & NAN between Canada & Oz, so I don't know that they can be that inovative.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
Well because of the current bi-lateral they can only go thru SFO & HNL & NAN between Canada & Oz, so I don't know that they can be that inovative.

Apparently they've considered going nonstop ??? Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 4):
Apparently they've considered going nonstop ??? Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)

No


User currently offlineFalcon7x From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

If it was done they could use the old C3 routing of YVR-NAN-SYD or BNE.

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5218 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 2):
rom a tour operator who's apparently been talking to them.

Apparently only question is when & how many flights per week.

The service would have to be one stop from either YYZ or YVR. Such a service would be an ideal way of better utilising their fleet in the northern winter.
How about YYZ-HNL-SYD ? IN the days of CP there was quite reasonable YYZ-HNL traffic , I would expect that the potential traffic has improved since then.


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

How Zoom goes to BNE by anuary som how as I might be headings down thee in Jan and Would probable use them over a major if the price is right.


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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 7):

The service would have to be one stop from either YYZ or YVR. Such a service would be an ideal way of better utilising their fleet in the northern winter.
How about YYZ-HNL-SYD ? IN the days of CP there was quite reasonable YYZ-HNL traffic , I would expect that the potential traffic has improved since then.

It will be interesting to see what routing they choose. There are challenges with Honolulu if you are running just one flight out from Toronto. If you fill the plane with Canada-Australia traffic, better to explore a cheaper tech stop than HNL. If you take significant YYZ-HNL traffic, you have to replace it with significant HNL-SYD traffic or you will have costly traffic imbalances. By flying through HNL, you have to charge C$27 in US taxes, put people through two customs checks instead of one, and subject some travellers to the necessity of getting a US transit visa. In other words, all the things that people find attractive about the new AC YVR-SYD nonstop, things they are eager to leave behind, would be resurrected on a Zoom flight via HNL. NAN might be more practical - it gets around these disadvantages. But YYZ-NAN is well beyond the range of a 767-300.

[Edited 2007-03-25 22:36:23]

User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting Accargo (Reply 5):
Can a 763ER fly YVR/BNE nonstop? (fully loaded with passngers, but with little or no freight)

No

Apparently they were talking YVR/BNE nonstop. What maximum passengers could they carry assuming no freight?


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 10):

Apparently they were talking YVR/BNE nonstop. What maximum passengers could they carry assuming no freight?

Not enough to make money. Considering that there are payload-restricted 763 routes a thousand miles shorter than YVR-BNE, I wouldn't bet on a compensatory load factor except at very un-Zoom-like prices.


User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):
Not enough to make money. Considering that there are payload-restricted 763 routes a thousand miles shorter than YVR-BNE, I wouldn't bet on a compensatory load factor except at very un-Zoom-like prices.

or could they mean BNE/YVR nonstop & YVR/BNE with a stop, like AC used to do with A340 SYD/YVR/HNL/SYD ?


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

I'd love to see AC offer a BNE-HNL-YVR service, even if it were only seasonal, to transport Skiiers from Queensland to Canada (probably make no money though - better to get all pax to go to SYD and connect to AC there).

Although, it would be great to have a year-round BNE-HNL and BNE-YVR service to transport people from QLD to Canada/Hawaii and to bring people from Canada to beautiful Queensland  Wink

Cheers


User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 13):
I'd love to see AC offer a BNE-HNL-YVR service, even if it were only seasonal, to transport Skiiers from Queensland to Canada (probably make no money though - better to get all pax to go to SYD and connect to AC there).

Although, it would be great to have a year-round BNE-HNL and BNE-YVR service to transport people from QLD to Canada/Hawaii and to bring people from Canada to beautiful Queensland

the Canada 3000 route in 2001, YVR/HNL/BNE/SYD/AKL/RAR/HNL/YVR (& V.V.) was incredily popular YVR/HNL/BNE & BNE/HNL/YVR, but apparently 2T were looking to drop RAR when SEP11 happened.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 12):

or could they mean BNE/YVR nonstop & YVR/BNE with a stop, like AC used to do with A340 SYD/YVR/HNL/SYD ?

The 340-300 has a good deal more range than the 767-300, so the answer is still no.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Have Zoom ever considered DUB?

User currently offlineFalcon7x From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 2288 times:

Zoom has a new ''were should we fly next'' section on their website.Its in the company info section,choices are;
-Amsterdam
-Berlin
-Brussels
-Nice
-Rio
-Rome.


User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

I doubt the launch of Australia routes. Zoom does very well with their current route structure and buisness plan. I think Australia deviates from that a bit.

Quoting Falcon7x (Reply 17):

Makes sense. If Zoom is to add new routes I believe It'll be in Europe first.

I've heard some good things about Zoom and their service in flight and on the ground from freinds that have flown them. I can't wait to fly them one day.  Smile

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting AH332 (Reply 18):
Makes sense. If Zoom is to add new routes I believe It'll be in Europe first.

I've heard some good things about Zoom and their service in flight and on the ground from freinds that have flown them. I can't wait to fly them one day.  

Cheers,

If you look at the Zoom website, they have a poll listing potential new destinations and asking people to indicate which they would like to see the airline launch next. Most are in Europe. Rio is another. None are in the South Pacific. All could be described as suitable 767-300 routes. Now, a poll like this could be a smokescreen for real intentions, or then again, it might be a reflection of the list the airline is focussing on.


User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
The 340-300 has a good deal more range than the 767-300, so the answer is still no.

yeh but talking YVR/BNE/YVR not the old AC route with A340 YVR/HNL/SYD/YVR, with SYD being quite a bit further from YVR than BNE.

Spoke to tour operator again today & apparently Zoom still definitely looking as OZ services but might be via tech stop at non-US port, so no silly U.S. customs & immigration nonscience to contend with.

A BNE/tech stop/YVR direct flight, sure beats a BNE/SYD(on old QF)/YVR anyday, as any advantage in nonstop, is lost in 5 (or more) extra hours added by having to go south to SYD.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5218 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 20):
but might be via tech stop at non-US port, so no silly U.S. customs & immigration nonscience to contend with.

A tech stop does not require going through US Customs and Immigration if the passengers do not deplane.
AC ran their A340 YVR-SYD westbound flight with a tech stop at HNL.; the passengers stayed aboard.
The only two options are really HNL or NAN and via NAN is about 400nm further.
I firmly believe that YYZ-SYD with a tech at HNL has strong possibilities for at least one flight a week from early December to the end of February.


User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 21):
I firmly believe that YYZ-SYD with a tech at HNL has strong possibilities for at least one flight a week from early December to the end of February.

Apparently looking at 2 flights per week, year round YVR/BNE.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Well now that Harmony has announced a suspension of all scheduled flights, this will open up another carrier to step in.

User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 23):
Well now that Harmony has announced a suspension of all scheduled flights, this will open up another carrier to step in.

Have been away. When did this happen? They operated a lot of flights to HNL & OGG from YVR, YLW & YYC didn't they?


25 Post contains links YVR1968 : That's today's big story. http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...4a4-4320-99ae-fc25f3728cad&k=59417
26 Easyas321 : what will FJ do now over HNL/YVR/HNL ?
27 Cyclonic : I'll believe it when I see it. Simple as that.
28 Easyas321 : It will happen, it's just a matter of when ? Zoom is a much better operation that Jetstar will ever be (as not hamstrung but a shrinking parent) & lo
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