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Why Are There Windows Missing On 9W's New 77W?  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14941 times:

First of all, Thanks to Matt Cawby for letting us see 9W's new livery before it has been officially released to the press. I am sorry matt, but i couldnt link your photograph directly hence i had to save it and upload it to my photobucket album. I hope that is not a problem.

Anyways, As u can see in the photograph, there are a number of windows missing in the front of the new plane, can anyone enlighten me as to why they have done this? As someone from airliners-india.net mentioned, maybe its something to do with their first class section? a bar perhaps? smoking room ? (i wish) lol or just a Huge bathroom.

Comments will be appreciated.

regards
nitin

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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14927 times:

Kitchen or bar would be my first thought. Many airlines have kitchens on one side of their aircraft, like KLM on their 747s, and plug the windows there. If a bar is there, then I don´t understand why they plugged the windows as they could be used for effect lighting.

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14499 times:

Has anyone ever seen this before on a T7???? Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so.

regards
nitin



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 2):
Has anyone ever seen this before on a T7???? Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so.

QF and TG both have galleys behind door R2 on their 744s... some QF 744s also have a bar immediately behind door L2.
Not sure about T7s... I guess it all depends on the config with galleys/bars etc



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14349 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
Not sure about T7s... I guess it all depends on the config with galleys/bars etc

My guess would be a very exclusive F section behind door 1 (8 pods?), then using the space behind F and ahead of door 2 for galleys, lavs, and such, so that the J pax cabin starts directly on the aft side of door 2. Many airlines will "wrap" door 2 with lavs and galleys, but there is no rule saying you must do it that way, and it can split up the J section into two pieces if you do that if your F is small. 9W may have decided on a different solution.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14303 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 2):
Or any other plane for that matter? Can someone post a picture if so

Check this Garuda 744. Almost a whole section of windows missing:


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However, on the other side of the aircraft, there is a full set:


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14265 times:

Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general  Wink


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Anyway, Jet Airways has a nice new livery for the 77W, unlike AC with their toothpaste-livery. We have also seen Air India, so are there any new 777 liveries coming in the next time? JJ, PR and DJ are still far away, I believe, so anything coming sooner?


User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.


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GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.



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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.

Along with QF if I'm not mistaken. They also have a galley on the right side of some of their 744's.

Cheers,
Aussieindc


User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 8):
Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard". And for the left side it's "port"! But yes that 747 has the same galley config as the Garuda 744, and this is most likely the same situation on the Jet 77W.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general

The A345 pictured has 11 windows for 3 rows of F, which is normal. The "facilities" flank door 2 in this setup.

The Jet picture has 8 windows, 1 looks closed, though it could be blocked off, either way, it's 8. That corresponds to 2 rows of F. And that leaves room for the facilities all be forward of door 2, or to add even more lavs around door 2 (6)?



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5774 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10787 times:

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 9):
Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard".

Hah, you must not work in the "aeronautical world."

We use left, right, fore, and aft quite regularly. These things are always referenced from the pilot's seated point of view- engines 1 & 2 being on the 'left' wing.
Nobody I know uses the antequated 'port' and 'starboard' except for me, and I quit because I got too many odd looks.

Anyhow, on to the topic, weird that they're missing THAT many windows. Isn't Jet a low-cost carrier? Odd that they'd have such a full lounge/galley/whatever if they're low cost, isnt' it?


User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 8):
Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
KL's 747 have their galleys on the left side.

Don't you mean the right?

Umm...
yes.  Wink



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

Thai Airways has side galleys on their 747-400s as well.

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
Seems to be a shortage of aircraft windows in general Wink


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it seems as those etihad aircraft the windows are just closed



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 7):
GA and KL are actually the only operators that use this kind of config today.

Pretty sure those GA birds are ex KL.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 15):
Pretty sure those GA birds are ex KL.

U3 is Boeings code for Garuda Indonesia.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

What was the purpose of having the galleys on one side of the cabin rather than in the middle? I would hate being seated near such a huge galley...with windows only on one side......!
Middle seats are anyway the most unpopular, so I think it's better to suppress some of them for the gally rather than window/side seats.



I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

that livery of 9W is beautiful... I love it...

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

So is there a website that posts the seating chart for Jet Airways?? That would solve this mystery. Or, somebody flying the darn plane.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 9):
Actually, there is no such term as "right" in the aeronautical world, it's called "starboard". And for the left side it's "port"!

um actually left and right is used all the time.... officially doors on a 747 are known as L1, L2...L5, and R1,R2...R5, and UDL and UDR. When describing the wings it may often be refered to as the port wing or starboard wing but not in the fuselage.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 17):
What was the purpose of having the galleys on one side of the cabin rather than in the middle? I would hate being seated near such a huge galley...with windows only on one side......!
Middle seats are anyway the most unpopular, so I think it's better to suppress some of them for the gally rather than window/side seats.

Most aircraft have their servicing done from the RHS of the aircraft. Doors 4 galleys are just about always located centrally. Doors 2 galleys are often located on the right however... this is often due to config issues but mostly because of the stairs to the Upper Deck being next to the LHS aisle. There is a bulk head that runs under the stairs past the ISM/CSM/FSM/ISD/Purser station and then across to the RHS aisle. The pax on the left don't see the galley or get the noise. In some 744s there are additionally a bar and lavs on the LHS so there is actually a whole block behind doors 2 that is not used by pax.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8252 times:
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Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
9W's new livery before it has been officially released to the press

Not released to the public yet huh......how about giving it to the local Indian papers?

That livery looks nice, especially the orange and yellow


User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8008 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
Anyhow, on to the topic, weird that they're missing THAT many windows. Isn't Jet a low-cost carrier? Odd that they'd have such a full lounge/galley/whatever if they're low cost, isnt' it?

Jey Airways (9W) is not a low cost carrier, its a full service airline. Infact its so good that i am hoping that it surpasses AI someday.

Check out their webiste www.jetairways.com.

regards nitin



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

any pics of the interior?

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 14):
it seems as those etihad aircraft the windows are just closed

Then show me a picture where they are open. I f you look at the above picture in reply 6, you see the one just before the 2nd door is a closed window, you see glass and then something behind that glass. The ones before are permanently closed, there is no glass, despite there being something that looks like the shape of a window. I guess you could change it into a window when needed, but currently there isn't one.


25 MIAspotter : Now that we are in the subject of windows, I have always wondered how they do it? do they paint the window over or do they put a cover on the outside
26 Zkpilot : Depends on what aircraft and how long it is going to be like that etc... but for many aircraft the window is removed and replaced with a piece of alu
27 Post contains images TodaReisinger : Thanks for this detailed answer! although I don't understand all the technical wording (LHS, RHS, ISM/CSM/FSM/ISD... ) I see the picture.... And if i
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