Kwexclusive From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 3 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
Air China Fleet: In service(On order)
Airbus A319-100 28(8)
Airbus A320-200 5
Airbus A321-200 0(24)
Airbus A330-200 8(12)
Airbus A340-300 6
Boeing B737-300 40
Boeing B737-600 6
Boeing B737-700 20
Boeing B737-800 30(25)
Boeing B747-200F 4
Boeing B747-400 4
Boeing B747-400C 8
Boeing B747-400F 5
Boeing B757-200 9
Boeing B767-200ER 5
Boeing B767-300 4
Boeing B767-300ER 5
Boeing B777-200 10
Boeing B787-8 0(15)
Tupolev Tu-204 Not sure 2 or 3???
Gulfstream Aerospace G-IV Gulfstream IV
Air China has a mixed fleet, is it a good thing or not? And is it cost effective enough compared with other airlines like CX, SQ????? Will they order some regional aircrafts and long haul planes instead of the ages B747 and B767????
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
At least spotting will be better than say the march of Ryanair 738s or easyJet A319s at STN.
Joking aside, the big three Chinese carriers have a variety of aircraft in their fleets. CZ is even taking A319s that are both CFM & IAE powered all at the same time! Even the A320s are powered by different engines depending on the time of the order. At least, they are consistent with the A321, which are powered by IAE.
Most of the orders are political as CA obtains their new fleet through their government backed purchasing entity. Hence, the current fleet predicament.
The private airline companies however to stick to a plan. For example, Shanghai Airlines tends to stick with Boeing types and Sichuan Airlines A320-types.
Most the Chinese airlines can use the lift, as air traffic continues to grow at a steady pace. As for CA's fleet, the 762ERs are the oldest followed by some of the 733s. With nothing to replace the 744s, they will stick around for some time but the 762ERs could go when sufficient 787s or A332 are acquired.
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2253 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
Air China, China Eastern, and China Southern are under government control when it comes to aircraft orders. They basically order what the government tells them to.
-Chinese government becomes "friendly" to both the U.S.A. and the European Union.
-Chinese airlines are open to more delivery slots.
-Fleet maintenance complication.
-Fleet usage complication.
-Training crew for different aircraft types.
-Paying for excess fuel usage of the worse aircraft (example: A340-300 compared to 777-200ER)
-Paying for excess maintenance cost of the worse aircraft (example: A340-300 compared to 777-200ER)
So, ordering competing aircraft from both manufacturers does come at an overall disadvantage. (unless you are Emirates, and all you want is more delivery slots, and money is no object to you).
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 2): Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
Shanghai Airlines tends to stick with Boeing types
They ordered 5 A321
That's why I put in the word 'tends.'
Too bad the 757 line is closed otherwise, they would have probably opted for more 757s.
The older 757 frames are going for cargo conversions, so only the A321 can simiarly replace the 757s on a seat-by-seat basis.
Not sure why they couldn't have waited for the 739ERs but at least it makes it interesting.
Jonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3): So, ordering competing aircraft from both manufacturers does come at an overall disadvantage
Most of the big carriers have a mix of Airbus and Boeing and they like it that way.
-No manufacturer masters the entire product line from 100 to 500+ seats so Airbus will be a better choice for one type of operation, Boeing will be better in another. Add to that the smaller aircraft manufacturers.
-Some products from Airbus or Boeing are very close in terms of payload range and economics so price, availability and overall contract (training, support...) will come into play.