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How Has LHR Changed In The Past 10 Years?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Last time I flew out of LHR was in 1996! Its certainly a very long time and I wonder what changed have been made in the airport during those 10+ years !
Could anyone here resume more or less what changes have been made over thoe 10 years in LHR?
Thanks a lot
Regards
BM
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User currently offlineEmirates029 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Lots of changes.
Terminal 5 is being built to the west of the current terminal area. A few BA European flights have been moved from T1 to T4, and some BA longhaul flights have been moved from T4 to T1.
There is now exit-passport control, whereas before there was only passport control when you were flying into Heathrow.
Restrictions on what liquids you can carry in your hand luggage, such a pain...


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3020 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

The largest change must be security, such a hassel.

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Last time I flew out of LHR was in 1996

Well done in being able to avoid LHR for so long! Why are you going through LHR this time? With what airline?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Why are you going through LHR this time? With what airline?

No I haven't planned to pass through LHR for the moment. The last tiem I ever saw the airport was flying over it on a LIM-BIN-AMS flight. Since I used to transit very often by there during my childhood I wondered what has become of it these days

Regards
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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3):
No I haven't planned to pass through LHR for the moment.

If you're sensible you'll avoid LHR at all costs - transit was always a nightmare, but these insane hand luggage restrictions (one piece only, no exceptions - NOT government imposed, it's all BAA's idea to try and save money and avoid opening a sensible number of checkpoints) have turned it into a total shambles - I will travel via any point on the globe rather than brave that hellhole.


User currently offlineEmirates029 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

And the one-piece of hand luggage doesnt exclude laptop bags! So if your airline says you can carry one piece, they dont normally count your laptop bag. However, try taking an ordinary bag + laptop bag and you'll be told by security that you can only take one, not both! Such a hassle...

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
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I'll answer the question instead of turning this thread into a Heathrow-bashing session.

To answer the question, there have been many changes in the last 10 years:

New taxi-ways
Runways re-surfaced
Terminal 3 airside refurbished
New pier and gates at T3
New security rules (to all our disgust!)
Second security check-points at some gates
New control tower
New transport links
And last but not least, the world class Terminal 5. The new transport links include new road/rail and underground services to terminal 5.

There's been some other minor, cosmetic changes such as the Burger King in T3 is now gone and some other slight changes.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Basically it's just got far worse (you talk of 10 years - in 1982 there were bad enough queues in T3 during the summer and that was without the security seen today yet the situation just gets worse each year).

From an enthusiast POV, most biz have gone to Luton or Farnborough, BA and BMI have 56% of the slots so a day on the threshold is fairly tedious and many delivery flights from the US to the Middle East and India now use Shannon, Birmingham and Manchester.

Once a place on the "must visit" list, now top of the "must avoid " list for travellers and enthusiasts.


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2054 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 7):
Once a place on the "must visit" list, now top of the "must avoid " list for travellers and enthusiasts.

Absoloutly. I don't know if LHR is beyond saving, but I suspect so. I try to avoid LHR when I can, but many times it is a necessary evil. I choose to fly Iberia, and they fly LHR.

saludos

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 8):
Absoloutly. I don't know if LHR is beyond saving, but I suspect so. I try to avoid LHR when I can, but many times it is a necessary evil. I choose to fly Iberia, and they fly LHR.

I concur. Not to bash LHR but the whole area is just a nightmare to deal with, from the perspective of being a pax passing through security, etc., etc., but with all the road traffic into and out of the drop-off and pick-up areas. Sure it's nice to have the tube and Heathrow Express as alternatives, but it's just too crowded regardless.

And now CO are wanting to fly to LHR with OpenSkies. Sigh. Keep LGW, please.  Smile



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13156 posts, RR: 78
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

A busy place, just about functions despite severe space problems, a rampant NIMBY national culture, if it's as bad as many say, why the hell are the slots so prized?

Arsenal@LHR has provided much needed context to this whingefest.
Maybe, like me, he lives so close to LHR, what some see as chaos is normal, when you are close all the time.

Working there, I am well aware of the problems, some make the news, some don't.
It has had major investment, it's also had I think in recent years, less than stellar management.

T5 will help a lot - On time and budget - how often do you hear that about a major project? And T5 is about the biggest construction site in Europe too. But that will spoil the story, won't it?

Transport links to C London are somewhat better than 10 years ago, as are some links elsewhere.
The central bus/coach station is much, much better than before.
Parking, being space related, will always be a problem.

For the spotter, it's a different story though.
But, please don't live in a bubble here, events of the last 5 years have driven this, those serious threats against LHR were real.
If it it the case that the UK is about no.1 on the general Islamist terrorists hit list, then LHR, so close to the capital, is inevitably a major target by default.
This saddens me, but blame the terrorists.

Maybe it's me, but I assume in a busy, crowded place like LHR, with a dynamic operation of mass air travel, I expect difficulties - are we saying that LHR is the only airport that has problems?
Maybe as a society we expect perfection or something like it, all the time.
This is not to excuse times when LHR has been found wanting, as I said, T5 apart, management has been less than good far too often in recent years.

LHR was probably built in the wrong place, too much was allowed to be built too close to it - I am typing this in a place built in 1985, really, it should not have been. Lack of joined up government, long term thinking, is a long term UK malaise, LHR is a victim of this.

One thing I miss from 10 years ago, the regular roar of 4 reheated R/R Olympus engines on take off.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10864 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

The biggest change I see at LHR is that BA Concordes are no longer flying in or out of the airport and are now almost forgotten.

One of these BA beauties, Concorde G-BOAB, is still sitting on the tarmac not very far from the round shaped Holiday Inn.
Last time I saw her she looked well. Sadly, she is just an empty shell and I believe her engines have been taken off.

G-CONC, the famous Concorde statue at the roundabout will be dismantled and moved to the Brooklands museum.
I do not know if the move to the museum is permanent or temporary. At least she will be in good hands. Volunteers there will be cleaning her up and restoring her and she will look at her best.

At least there is still one Concorde at Heathrow. I hope she will remain there, maybe moved to T5 in the future which would make sense as it will be a BA terminal.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

There has also been a new hanger built, lots of new cargo buildings have been pulled down and replaced too, lots of new hotels around the airport and more construction work is ongoing over at Hatton X that will change how that looks (just wish they would do something about that damnd roundabout !!).

 Smile



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
One thing I miss from 10 years ago, the regular roar of 4 reheated R/R Olympus engines on take off.

Yes thats one thing I miss.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 10):
It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now

Its not a dump , Manchester can take that award!!!!

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
Arsenal@LHR has provided much needed context to this whingefest.
Maybe, like me, he lives so close to LHR, what some see as chaos is normal, when you are close all the time.

Well I was born and bread under the flight path and my first job was at Terminal 2 in the early 90's so I have a soft spot for LHR but thats just memories. It has totally changed from when I worked and lived in the area. Sometimes its ok to transfer through LHR and other times its a nightmare. I can see both points of view. 2 people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day. T5 will help the grid lock as the other terminals are maxed to the full. T5 looks amazing so cant wait for it to open.

Love it or hate it LHR is still attracting the worlds major air routes and airlines so it cant be that bad.

As for the terrorism aspect , yes it has put me off a bit and I am a bit scared as it is a top target but I guess you can be anywhere these days so you just have to get on with life. Growing up in West London I can see why we have these problems now and its because they never integrated but thats another issue for another forum. All I have is memories and the place is not the country or city I grew up in and is like a strange place to me now.


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

I've flown in and out of LHR for over 35 years now, yes it can get crowded but all in all for the largest International airport it operates ok.

Been to far worse airports and if you get caught up in a queue, chill out as there are always seats in TGIF's or Weatherspoons beyond security......



One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

All those above and:

Runway 23 has been closed for good.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 10):
It was a dump ten years ago and its still a dump now

Its not a dump , Manchester can take that award!!!!

Seems that you are in the minority. Google "Airport Awards London Heathrow" and you won't find much. This is what I did find::http://www.justtheflight.co.uk/news/18080246-heathrow-voted-top-family-friendly-airport.html

Google "Airport Awards Manchester" and you'll find a good number of entries. Have a look at: http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/web.nsf/Content/AwardsFactsheets kindly provided by the airport.

Seems to me that the professionals and travellers alike can tell the difference.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Hardly a biased ''rosey'' view of LHR is it Philb????

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Sometimes its ok to transfer through LHR and other times its a nightmare. I can see both points of view. 2 people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day



Quoting Philb (Reply 17):
Seems to me that the professionals and travellers alike can tell the difference.

Well Im both having nearly 16 years in the industry in various fields and a very frequent traveller. Im not saying LHR is a nice airport but its by far not the worst.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

You bid 16 years, I'll give you more than double that and 45 years of travelling through Heathrow.

Of course you are correct that two people can experience a totally different LHR on the same day but it is common knowledge in the industry and, unfortunately, common experience with the travelling public that, whatever airline you use, whatever terminal and, God help you, if you are interlining, LHR is NOT the place to go.

BTW, what's your problem with MAN and why is your view not reflected by the general consensus?


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

One thing that has changed for sure is the probablility of your being lost (by BA) has gone up by about 110%.


If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Obviously everybody has different opinions and experiences of LHR but I for one really like the place, Yeah it can be hard to get around at times and you get delays here and there, but I challenge anyone to name one airport, just one where you dont get any of that.
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp! Big grin


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
BTW, what's your problem with MAN

I have been through it 5 times and hated every single time. I just dont like it.

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 21):
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp!

LOL....a man after my own heart!!! I knew there was someone else out there LOL....


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2015 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 21):
I love LHR, Theres so much to see, and if your lucky you might get a delay so you can spend more time looking out the window at everything going on on the ramp!

First you have to be able to FIND a window that hasn't been covered up by a Sock Shop, Tie Rack, Cafe Ritazza or World Duty Free. BAA have turned the terminals into wonderful shopping malls, but as soon as you step into the gate areas (excluding the T1 Worldpier or new T3 sections) the buildings are a complete disgrace. Even T4 seems like a dark maze of shops and restaurants with almost NO windows.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 23):
BAA have turned the terminals into wonderful shopping malls

Thats one thing I like about LHR , plenty of shops to pass the time unlike USA airports that are just long corridors with a Starbucks and a MCDonalds. There are not enough windows though I agree with you there. Zurich is brilliant and has the right balance between shops and windows etc...


25 Post contains images Steve332 : Apart from the massive wall of windows at one of the cafe's looking over most of the airport of course.
26 Philb : Wow, FIVE times!! I just wonder why your experiences have been so poor compared to those of the experts and those who have voted to give MAN so many
27 OA260 : Yep I am indeed . Yep 5 times too much , I just dont like it.
28 Post contains images UAL777UK :
29 Jsnww81 : Hence the use of the word "almost." And even then, you have to elbow your way through tables, chairs and crowds of diners just to find a seat near on
30 OA260 : Theres a nice view from the Lufthansa business class in Terminal 2 if you happen to be travelling on them and have access to it. Also the BMI lounge i
31 Post contains images Max999 : Has BAA considered building shopping malls outside of their airports? I'm sure they would be a very profitable mall developer. I agree with you Jsnww
32 Post contains links Feroze : Funny you should say that - BAA used to have a share in the McArthur Glen Designer Outlets, though I think it was disposed of some years ago; I can't
33 Emirates029 : Doesn't the Competition Commission realise that BAA is anti-competitive? I would love it if BAAs control of all the major airports was broken and we h
34 Post contains images Rivet42 : Ha, ha, ha, love it! That's a very good observation, one could indeed be forgiven for thinking that the place is slowly sinking into the ground! It's
35 Viscount724 : But why didn't they make T5 big enough to handle all BA flights? Wasn't that the intent when T5 was first announced? I understand some BA flights wil
36 GDB : Viscount 724, my understanding is that BA will not fit into the intial T5, but the terninal that opens one year from now, is not the end of the the st
37 BCALBOY : My understanding is there are two Satellite terminals in the next couple of years after the main T5 building. Not sure if these will be linked by mov
38 RTFM : T5A (the main building) and T5B (the first satellite) open in March 2008. The second satellite (T5C) will open in 2010 (a year earlier than originall
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