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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

so i was wondering which airport will get the most A380's per day

the choices that i think would be
Airport code guess of how many per day
LHR 15
DXB 30
JFK 15
LAX 12
SYD 10
MEL 5
FRA 15
SIN 20
BKK 10
CDG 10
AUH 5

im probably way off but lets try and figure it out


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7511 times:

Considering Emirates has ordered the most A380s, I'd say DXB will see the most movements.


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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7429 times:

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Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Considering Emirates has ordered the most A380s, I'd say DXB will see the most movements.

but i dont think they will see too many besides emirates
and considering half of them will be somewhere else ex. JFK SYD PER they wont all be there rather some wher like JFK or LHR which will se other airlines A380's might have more
but im not sure at all



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7372 times:

Perhaps you should specify, do you mean the most amount of A380 movements per day or the most amount of A380s from different carriers?


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User currently offlineEmirates029 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 2):
but i dont think they will see too many besides emirates

I should think so. I dont think any other airlines have mentioned planning to fly their A380s into Dubai?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Perhaps you should specify, do you mean the most amount of A380 movements per day



Quoting A380US (Thread starter):
i was wondering which airport will get the most A380's per day

Well, at SYD, there actually won't be that many QF A380s at one time. 2-3 for LAX, 2-3 for LHR. SQ will have 1 a day, as would EK I assume. That only makes 6-10.

DXB will see a lot. Since they are a hub, they will very likely see, on average, 0.75 A380 per day for each A380 they operate at one time. So if they have 30-35 in their fleet at once, expect 25 per day. Sure the long range flights might see them gone longer, but they also plan to fly them on 4-8 hour routes, so other planes might.

LHR will see a lot. Multiple EK, multiple QF, VS should they take them, BA should they order them, multiple SQ, as well as Kingfisher, QR, EY etc.

And of course SIN, also being a hub like DXB, will see a lot, but I think DXB will outstrip it assuming EK takes delivery of all their planes in a timely manner.



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 2):
but i dont think they will see too many besides emirates
and considering half of them will be somewhere else ex. JFK SYD PER they wont all be there rather some wher like JFK or LHR which will se other airlines A380's might have more

But they all need to go through DXB at some point. I agree that DXB won't see too many other airlines A380s, but due to EKs massive order, DXB should get the most A380s on a given day...

LHR will be another airport I think that will see a lot of A380s. I don't think JFK will see as many. I can think of LH, AF, EK, Maybe QF, maybe SQ... and a few others.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30553 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7227 times:
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LHR I imagine will take the cake, since it will be the terminus for a significant number of the planes on order now. I'd not be surprised if half the world's A380 fleet was there daily (since I expect the world's A380 fleet to be less then 500). SYD will probably be number two, though a well back #2, for the same reason (especially if VS takes their's). SIN will be #3 or #4 since even it will be one of the two primary connecting points on the "Kangaroo Route" (with HKG) plus SQ's own movements.

DXB and FRA will mostly see just the "home team's" birds (EK and LH), and while that is going to be a great deal of DXB thanks to EK's planned fleet (including expected expansion), it won't be as much as LHR or SYD and probably SIN's.


User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7207 times:

My guess in which you'll see the most A380s from different carriers;

LHR
HKG
NRT
LAX
SYD


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 8):
LHR
HKG
NRT
LAX
SYD

I agree.
LHR
HKG

NRT...it will see a few but maybe not as many as SYD.
LAX, JFK.

Airlines that could serve NRT with the A380. (will serve*)
LH* x1 daily (This is almost a given)
AF* x1 daily (Stated by AF...one plane reduction in schedule)
KE* x1 daily (Replace one 744 flight.)
SQ* x1 daily (IF. This would be the flight that goes on to LAX)
TG* x1 daily (IF. depends on how their other routes in Japan keep up)
VS* x1 daily (BIG IF... jump from a A346)

Emirates, Etihad, Kingfisher, Qatar, = No NRT slots. If they aquire some, then we will see the A380.
Qantas = stay with 747s and use their JL codeshare more. If demand rises again, then maybe an A380 will come once a day. But Japan travel to Oz is a lot of low yield so QF will loose money. KIX went to Jetstar and rumors are NGO will go to Jetstar sometime soon as well.
China Southern = No need. Their Japan traffic is split between 4 or 5 airports and that will increase. If travel to CAN jumps big time, then we could see an A380, but I would not put money on it.
Malaysian = Same as China Southern, they serve 4 airports and the traffic is split between them. They might not be able to keep their order anyway. Heck they can barely keep 744s full.
Air China? = Same as China Southern and Malaysian. They have access to all airports in Japan and in some cases now use only 737s.

It is surprising to think that with a slot restricted airport like NRT, their won't be more. The reality is that we are seeing reductions in aircraft size. On LHR-NRT, both NH and JL are using 773ERs. BA uses 744s but VS uses A346. This used to be all 744s.

I would say most airport to receive a diverse number of A380s in larger quantities (meaning from different companies)
1) LHR
2) HKG
3) LAX Could be tied with SYD.
4) SYD
5) JFK Might be more than LAX/SYD
6) NRT max...6 per day MAYBE.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Perhaps you should specify, do you mean the most amount of A380 movements per day or the most amount of A380s from different carriers?

i mean the most movements



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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

I think all these numbers are high with the possible exception of DXB, and even that might be a bit much. I can't see 15 daily at JFK especially. We need to remember one daily roundtrip on most long haul services will utilize more than two a/c. In previous posts, all 20 QF a/c are accounted for just on the Oz-US and LHR runs. Lets revisit this in 3-4 years when we actually know how many 380's are actually flying.

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

well lets see what JFK would look like

AF-3 maybe 4 a day
EK- 2 even 3 a day
EY- 1 a day
if IT brings them it would be 2 more
KE with another 1 or 2
LH probaly 3 or 4
QF with 5 a week or maybe they will go daily
SQ with 2 a day
TG with maybe 1 a day
and
VS with 3 or 4 a day

so it looks like a lot of flights from JFK



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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 12):
so it looks like a lot of flights from JFK

Wishful thinking, but highly unlikely.

Currently, AF has one 744 flight to JFK. All the rest are smaller. YUL will see more 380 from AF than JFK will, at least during the summer. LH has also downsized, w/only one 744 per day. As for VS, there is no guarantee they will even take delivery of those on order. Carriers have been following the trend for more frequency with smaller a/c. I can see maybe one daily each. Perhaps the same with KE and SQ. EK may bring two. EY is a tossup. The idea just because an airline starts flying the 380, it's going to load the all up on one route is unrealistic.
[Edited 2007-03-26 03:38:44]

[Edited 2007-03-26 03:41:21]

User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
Qantas = stay with 747s and use their JL codeshare more. If demand rises again, then maybe an A380 will come once a day. But Japan travel to Oz is a lot of low yield so QF will loose money. KIX went to Jetstar and rumors are NGO will go to Jetstar sometime soon as well.

NRT is currently 330s for QF; bringing in 380s may free up some 747s which could be used to upgrade that route. But clearly 330->380 would be a big step.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 12):
well lets see what JFK would look like

AF-3 maybe 4 a day
EK- 2 even 3 a day
EY- 1 a day
if IT brings them it would be 2 more
KE with another 1 or 2
LH probaly 3 or 4
QF with 5 a week or maybe they will go daily
SQ with 2 a day
TG with maybe 1 a day
and
VS with 3 or 4 a day

so it looks like a lot of flights from JFK

Air France would probably only bring in 1 daily A380, maybe 2 in the summer season.

Emirates would probably only bring 1 in daily if they did even bring the A380 to JFK. It has been talked about some.

Etihad would probably use their A380s else where.

There is a possibility of Korean Air.

Lufthansa would probably also only bring in 1 daily A380.

Qantas would probably bring one in daily instead of the 747-400.

Singapore would possibly bring in the A380 but it might be downgraded to a 777-300ER.

Thai is a possibility.

Virgin Atlantic would probably bring in 1 or 2 daily.



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User currently offlinePhishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

is SQ planning on replacing their 744 flight to SFO with the A380? the midnight slot from SFO-HKG is a big market with CX and SQ, so i am wondering if this flight might see an A380 in the future...

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 16):
is SQ planning on replacing their 744 flight to SFO with the A380?

The flight is being replaced by the 777-300ER.



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User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
Qantas would probably bring one in daily instead of the 747-400.

Qantas' JFK flight has always been a big cargo flight with plenty of seats to spare, so there clearly isn't enough demand to warrant an outright passenger flight. The only way I think we'll see an Aussie 380 in New York is if Qantas is able to do the same thing they do with the 744 107/108 flight, which is to break even (at least) on the trans-con instead of leaving the plane on the ramp.

They can undoubtedly haul more cargo on the thing, so it would really hinge on whether or not they can offset the operational cost with the revenue from the additional freight. If they can, we may stand a chance. If not, then we'll probably keep seeing the 747.

Brian



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting Futterman (Reply 18):

Qantas' JFK flight has always been a big cargo flight with plenty of seats to spare, so there clearly isn't enough demand to warrant an outright passenger flight. The only way I think we'll see an Aussie 380 in New York is if Qantas is able to do the same thing they do with the 744 107/108 flight, which is to break even (at least) on the trans-con instead of leaving the plane on the ramp.

They can undoubtedly haul more cargo on the thing, so it would really hinge on whether or not they can offset the operational cost with the revenue from the additional freight. If they can, we may stand a chance. If not, then we'll probably keep seeing the 747.

well for cargo they can charge a lot of money on this route for cargo. also if their are more seats to LAX from aussie, then there would probably more people traveling to JFK from aussie and either its QF or its UA so im sure they can break even on these flights

also would they be able to make an aircraft or 2 premium traffic only so it can do SYD/MEL-JFK nonstop or would they have to leave cargo behind?



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Considering Emirates has ordered the most A380s, I'd say DXB will see the most movements.

They ordered 45, i agree with you DXB will be on the top of the list

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 4):
I dont think any other airlines have mentioned planning to fly their A380s into Dubai?

well, SQ, VS , TG, KE, MH

Quoting A380US (Reply 10):
i mean the most movements

No doubt about it, DXB or the new JXB


User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 12):
well lets see what JFK would look like

AF-3 maybe 4 a day
EK- 2 even 3 a day
EY- 1 a day
if IT brings them it would be 2 more
KE with another 1 or 2
LH probaly 3 or 4
QF with 5 a week or maybe they will go daily
SQ with 2 a day
TG with maybe 1 a day
and
VS with 3 or 4 a day

so it looks like a lot of flights from JFK

are you dreaming ?
LH has only 3 or 4 daily flights to JFK (from FRA and MUC) operated by 1 B744 and A340's so do you really think that those flights will all be upgrade to A380 ??? it's not possible...

So let's see :
AF : one daily and maybe 2 during summer
EK one daily
EY maybe one daily
IT don't know
KE maybe one daily
LH one daily
QF maybe one daily
SQ one daily
VS one daily

now at CDG we will see at least :
AF : 10 daily
EK : one daily
TG : one daily
KE : one daily

for EY, China Southern,... i don't know !

So i think :
1) DXB
2) LHR
3) LAX/CDG/FRA
4) SYD/JFK
5) SIN
...


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 21):

So let's see :
AF : one daily and maybe 2 during summer
EK one daily
EY maybe one daily
IT don't know
KE maybe one daily
LH one daily
QF maybe one daily
SQ one daily
VS one daily

but in terms of movements
you would double everything because they would have 2

also VS might have 2 and EK may have 2 also



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6709 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Quoting Futterman (Reply 18):
Qantas' JFK flight has always been a big cargo flight with plenty of seats to spare, so there clearly isn't enough demand to warrant an outright passenger flight. The only way I think we'll see an Aussie 380 in New York is if Qantas is able to do the same thing they do with the 744 107/108 flight, which is to break even (at least) on the trans-con instead of leaving the plane on the ramp.

But I suspect that if QF continues to fly the 744 on one or more Australia-LAX flights, it may make more sense to continue to use the 744 for the JFK tag. I've always heard that it's relatively easy to non-rev on the QF JFK-LAX flights. Using an aircraft with lower trip costs is more logical if you're not filling the seats anyway -- unless the parking fees for the A380 at LAX are dramatically higher than for the 744.

Honestly, I just don't see either JFK or LAX seeing more than perhaps a half-dozen daily A380's for the next half-decade.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6047 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
DXB will see a lot. Since they are a hub, they will very likely see, on average, 0.75 A380 per day for each A380 they operate at one time. So if they have 30-35 in their fleet at once, expect 25 per day. Sure the long range flights might see them gone longer, but they also plan to fly them on 4-8 hour routes, so other planes might.

Do you know what routes they intend to use them on for 4 hours???


25 BosWashSprStar : The JFK route is also well-liked for its flagship elements (second, of course, to the LHR services, though) and the brand presence in New York. But,
26 Viscount724 : I believe the current EK A380 firm order is for 43, not 45. That is what the Airbus website shows.
27 A388 : My vote goes to LHR as the prime A380 airport. AFAIK all airlines that ordered the A380 will serve LHR. HKG is also a nice candidate for most A380's v
28 UAEflyer : 43 ordered by Emirates + 2 ILFC
29 A380US : if the gates was a problem they could either get a new gate for the a 380 or switch to T4 or T1 its not that big of a beal for an airline that flies
30 AlitaliaMD11 : Qantas will be going daily on their SYD-LAX-JFK route starting August 14th. As mentioned it would be tough to fit an A380 into the already cramped Te
31 Burkhard : When the current orders are done, the world A380 fleet will be 20% of the current 744 fleet. So as a rough estimator, with only exception of Dubai, ju
32 QatarA340 : QR ordered 4 and is expected to order more soon. Soon, we will see a huge A380 movement in the New Doha Airport
33 UAEflyer : you say huge for the amount of "4" aircrafts!! so what should i say for DXB??
34 Phishphan70 : so are we going to see a SQ 380 at SFO anytime soon? and if it's not SQ, who might be the first to fly the 380 to SFO?
35 QatarA340 : Well, 4 is for now, before another order will take place. I predict 8 more making it a total of 10 aircraft. It is still huge in terms of A380s. Duba
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