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Rumor: US To Add More Flights To PIT  
User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10381 times:

I know most people don't care, but I heard from a flight attendant at work today that US might be adding flights back to PIT. He said that US recently wanted to add more flights to PHL but the FAA said there was no way that this could happen because of all the traffic and delays. The next best thing would be to add the flights to PIT. He said that its estimated to be about 40 or so flights that could be added. Now this is all just a rumor he heard in his crew room. Let's hope this all comes true. Has anyone else heard anything about this?


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User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10352 times:
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if US wants to add flights to PHL they will. Why on earth a FA would say the FAA wont let them add flights is ridiculous!!!


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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2094 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10352 times:

That doesn't make sense unless they're regional flights, otherwise you have to get the passengers to/from PIT as well. That would likely require additional flights or capacity from PHL and CLT to PIT.

User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
if US wants to add flights to PHL they will. Why on earth a FA would say the FAA wont let them add flights is ridiculous!!!

He heard this in his crew room. They get news from the company so I'm sure it's floating around. He just didn't make it up. He's been there for 30 years.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 3):

The FAA has no say on US adding flight between PIT-PHL

ASLAX



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5576 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 4):
The FAA has no say on US adding flight between PIT-PHL

I think he meant "adding flights between PHL and any city" versus "adding flights between PHL and PIT". Either way, seems a little odd.

-Dave



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

I'm remembering something about some government entity having a say in how much or fast WN could expand at DEN -- was it some environmental deal? That was the first time I had heard of that and I wonder if this could somehow be related? (It doesn't make much sense here and I didn't know if it was correct information in the DEN case either.)

Otherwise, the F/A report doesn't make any sense to me at all. No offense to the individuals involved in this case, but I think we all know the usual rumor-reliability of flight crews...  Sad

I know how PITtsburghers want this to happen (hello Steeler'?) and I hope it will but I don't think it will be for this reason (as reported anyway.)

bb


User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

I am sure Steeler83, CentPIT, etc. will enter this thread later but I think I can make a collective plea...

PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN

I don't know what exact authority the FAA has on this, but it makes sense to add more flights to Pittsburgh, truly...

Hopefully, the NY area (PHL included) at some point is going to be so saturated with traffic that capacity needs to be added in other places *cough* PIT *cough* I mean jeez if at anywhere the ground work has been laid out...

We all know US moved their hub to Philly for economic reasons, but at some point it is going to be uneconomical to add more flights to PHL. Boy, if only there were some severely-underused location reasonably close by with superb facilities, itching for more capacity...perhaps some previous hub abandoned, left to die?

Or is this just setting up another cruel, cruel April Fools joke?



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User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

I'm sure the FAA can say something to stop PHL from getting more flights. They have too much traffic as it is. And maybe he meant that the airport authority itself is refusing to let US add flights? This is why I was asking other people on here if they have heard anything on the matter.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
I think he meant "adding flights between PHL and any city" versus "adding flights between PHL and PIT".

This was meant for PHL adding more flights to other cities, not more frequencies between PHL and PIT.

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
I don't know what exact authority the FAA has on this, but it makes sense to add more flights to Pittsburgh, truly...

Hopefully, the NY area (PHL included) at some point is going to be so saturated with traffic that capacity needs to be added in other places *cough* PIT *cough* I mean jeez if at anywhere the ground work has been laid out...

We all know US moved their hub to Philly for economic reasons, but at some point it is going to be uneconomical to add more flights to PHL. Boy, if only there were some severely-underused location reasonably close by with superb facilities, itching for more capacity...perhaps some previous hub abandoned, left to die?

Or is this just setting up another cruel, cruel April Fools joke?

Let's hope this isn't some joke, would not be funny. Could be a bunch of PIT employees just wishing and hoping like this rest of us. It's going to come down to the point where PHL and other airports over there aren't going to be able to expand and add more flights because of way too many traffic delays and problems. Only logical fix for this is to move traffic to other nearby airports. And there's not better airport for US to add to then PIT. I'm not going to spend time listing the reasons why since we've done this numerous times over.

Also, he mentioned that one of the flights POSSIBLY coming to PIT was a Germany flight. Oh boy would it be nice for US to add international flights back here.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2676 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
We all know US moved their hub to Philly for economic reasons

US didn't move their hub to PHL- it was a hub at the same time PIT was. They only downsized the PIT hub, in favor of PHL and CLT.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

the only thing less reliable then a rumor from pilot is a rumor from an F/A.


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17490 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9843 times:

Last week they added a few PIT/MHT and PIT/PWM for this summer--about 3-4 roundtrips on RJs in each market.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9819 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 10):
the only thing less reliable then a rumor from pilot is a rumor from an F/A.

I'm sure etops1 can shed some light into this subject.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9819 times:

"Overheard in the crewroom" means that someone is usually hoping for flights to a city that they'd like to see served from PIT. Doug Parker has said in town hall meetings that they are happy with how PIT is performing. PIT FA's are not happy because the base was downsized dramatically, and they either have to commute to another base, relocate, or go back on reserve. I've heard from PIT FA's that FA's with 16 years seniority were back on reserve in PIT.

As others have said, the FAA has nothing to do with allowing service to be added to PHL. However, when management and the FAA met (they do on a regular basis), the topic of adding flights at PHL was probably brought up. The FAA response was probably "ARE YOU NUTS? THE AIRPORT CAN'T HANDLE IT!"

Since PHL really is maxed out, there may be some additional flying added to PIT. But the flights added, if any, need to make sense for PIT O&D. US isn't planning to build a future at PIT on connecting traffic. It didn't work before.


User currently offlinePrimetimeDC9 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9788 times:

actually it did work before, at one point it was the king of all us hubs and expansion took place as recently as the late 90's. The downfall of the airline and the fact that PIT was expensive, is what caused them to move out. On a side note isn't it possible for all available takeoff and landing slots to be used at an airport, aren't there only so many slots per time period that an airport can dish out? Not sure, but this would make sense.

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9762 times:
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Maybe adding flights will have something to do with them building the operations center in PIT. Just a guess, but who knows. I use PIT all the time now and I don't really care if they add more flights or not, I still won't fly them.

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9756 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 13):
"Overheard in the crewroom" means that someone is usually hoping for flights to a city that they'd like to see served from PIT.

exactly. Its kind of like Peter Pan- If you just think happy thoughts maybe you can fly away to maaaaaagical world.



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User currently offlinePITSpeedbird From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9714 times:

Why wouldnt US just add capacity to CLT or PHX if PHL was maxxed out?

It certainly would be nice to have the gates at PIT more full!!

Fingers crossed

PITSpeedbird



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9208 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
I know how PITtsburghers want this to happen (hello Steeler'?)

yeeeeesss??

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
I am sure Steeler83, CentPIT, etc. will enter this thread later but I think I can make a collective plea...

Already have!!! Big grin  hyper   bouncy 

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN

I don't know what exact authority the FAA has on this, but it makes sense to add more flights to Pittsburgh, truly...

Yeah, I would like it to happen myself...

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
We all know US moved their hub to Philly for economic reasons, but at some point it is going to be uneconomical to add more flights to PHL. Boy, if only there were some severely-underused location reasonably close by with superb facilities, itching for more capacity...perhaps some previous hub abandoned, left to die?

PHL and PIT were both hubs for US. US was the most expensive airline flying back circa 2000, and they had to offer high fares to offset the high costs... The problem, the folks at PIT, US' largest hub, could not afford 600 bucks to go one way to PHL or ORD, LGA, DCA, BOS, and various other markets, so O&D was extremely low.

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 8):
Also, he mentioned that one of the flights POSSIBLY coming to PIT was a Germany flight. Oh boy would it be nice for US to add international flights back here.

Of all the flights added, a Germany flight, or even a London flight, anything transatlantic, is what Pittsburgh needs. (It also needs more state attention than Philadelphia for financial reasons. There are 27 financially distressed municipalities in Southwest PA, including Pittsburgh, but that is a whole other non-aviation-related topic... Source: the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 13):
Since PHL really is maxed out, there may be some additional flying added to PIT. But the flights added, if any, need to make sense for PIT O&D. US isn't planning to build a future at PIT on connecting traffic. It didn't work before.

True, it didn't work before. US can't make money off of connecting traffic really, and PIT"s O&D was pitiful. Now, roughly 7.5 million people are originating or ending their travels out of PIT, and I believe this number will grow. In a way, US dehubbing PIT was a bit of a blessing in disguise. The region, as I hinted above, is already economically distressed, but the dehubbing has opened the flood gates for LCCs like WN and B6 to come in and lower fares to key O&D markets from PIT. I think Parker still sees PIT as a vital market for US, and especially now that fares have come down considerably, perhaps more connectivity at PIT is possible.

I am sure that most of the flights to be added, if that is even the case, will be regional flights. PKB, MGW, and another city or two have already been re-added by Colgan Air, and with Saabs instead of Beeches. I hope that the restarted service with a better regional carrier and with bigger aircraft will do better for US Express. Fares are low. People connecting in PIT likely travel to ORD, PHX, DEN, LAX, SFO, LGA, BOS, PHL, or a Florida city. Maybe this will mean more people on those flights. I am sure there are still some empty seats flying around. Not sure about PHL flights from PIT though; those are full. I was on an overbooked A319 in the middle of the day on Wednesday 2 weeks ago...

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 15):
Maybe adding flights will have something to do with them building the operations center in PIT. Just a guess, but who knows. I use PIT all the time now and I don't really care if they add more flights or not, I still won't fly them.

So you're boycotting US... All the same... but I am not sure if the flight ops center had much to do with the possibility of adding flights. Most of US' flights are on the East Coast, and US already had the flight ops center at PIT already, from when the airline was first started here back in the 1930s (I almost said 1390s... yeah right, just for a laugh really. Hey, this thread has excited me for the love of God, what more do y'all want?!! Big grin) Mr Kirby even said that if the USDL merger would have gone through, they highly considered relocating the ATL ops to PIT... Uhhh... that one kinda surprised me, but even still, to consider that, it says a lot about US and PIT.

About this being nothing more than an early April Fool's joke, I hope this is not the case either! I have a feeling that Parker might be wanting to beef up service, likely to existing strongholds from PIT given WN's position in PIT. WN has grown quite rapidly there (Granted, they only serve 7 destinations with 23 departures, but they are now the number 2 carrier, albeit a distand 2 behind US...) I think Parker is a bit intimidated by WN. Let's see... There is this talk of WN expanding DEN... IAD... even entering SFO, which is a strong transcon market for PIT and PHL. Parker "stirs" the PIT markets by lowering fares to pretty much every destination out of PIT. Some regional service is returning, and SEA and SAN service are returning, along with additional service to SFO and LAX. I wonder what some others' thoughts are on this...

MAYBE... some mainline might come back, again it's a maybe, but with PIT, the glass is half-full  optimist 

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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9570 times:

Gate leases at PHL would be the only reason why I could see them not adding flights there if necessary.

And as others have said, increasing capacity at CLT would alleviate PHL just as easily - and benefit from CLT's O&D numbers. Anyone have a good sense as to how many cities are served by just one US-East hub?



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9208 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 19):
And as others have said, increasing capacity at CLT would alleviate PHL just as easily - and benefit from CLT's O&D numbers.

I can't remember if the numbers are from 2005 or 2006, but CLT had about 1 million fewer O&D pax than PIT. PIT has about 7.3 or 7.4 million O&D, and growing, while CLT has a little over 6 million. Referring to multiple previous posts.



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User currently offlinePITSpeedbird From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Quoting Ward86IND (Reply 7):
I am sure Steeler83, CentPIT, etc. will enter this thread later but I think I can make a collective plea...

Hey -- Add PITSpeedbird to that list!
I'm definitely a Yinzer too !! (Double yoi!)

- PITSpeedbird



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User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

I can not see US airways being told they can not add flights to PHL when the whole point of the negotiations between US and Philadelphia last year over gates was so US could add International destinations, and increase gates for WN so they can expand flights this fall. John.


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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

This Yinzer also agrees...when your connecting traffic is causing negative returns at one hub...why not move it to a facility that can actually handle it? You would still be able to efficiently capture all of the O&D in PHL while increasing your O&D in PIT. If US gives everyone less delays and more resonable fares than before...traffic increases, operations become efficent, and everybody wins!

I would consider traveling US again if I didn't have to connect in PHL or NYC (and I think that the rest of the east coast agrees).

-pgh234


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9208 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 23):
This Yinzer also agrees...when your connecting traffic is causing negative returns at one hub...why not move it to a facility that can actually handle it?

Especially one that was designed to handle hub traffic...

Quoting PGH234 (Reply 23):
You would still be able to efficiently capture all of the O&D in PHL while increasing your O&D in PIT. If US gives everyone less delays and more resonable fares than before...traffic increases, operations become efficent, and everybody wins!

Absolutely... PIT won't necessarily become a hub again for US, but at least US' presence there can increase, removing some of the stress from PHL. PHL will remain a major US hub and a major internatioal Gateway for US; PIT will be a major "reliever airport" for US. Even if US has 200 daily flights out of PIT, there is still room for a lot more traffic.



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25 Tooluther : Now that the ACAA has paid down some debt, is PIT any cheaper? If it isn't could they refinance at this point so it does become cheaper? And I'm in Pi
26 Steeler83 : mmm... I suppose Luketenley could provide information on that. According to him, the landing fees have come down a bit in the last couple of years, a
27 PITSpeedbird : Right on Steeler83!! The X structure at PIT is awesome and makes connections very easy. Plus prices at the SkyMall reflect those of local malls. I th
28 Tooluther : Not from everywhere. CLT works well for a North East/Midwest-Southeast hub. But PIT and PHL work better for NE-Midwest and visversa. Probably not sin
29 Post contains images Steeler83 : Definitely! Added traffic means more jobs, which means a stimulated local economy, especially if the additional traffic involves non-stop service to
30 Luketenley : One of the Operations Managers told me that the gate and landing fees are now competitive with other major airports. The layout of the entire airport
31 Post contains links and images MD90fan : Here's to hoping US will add some sort of service to Nassau, Bahamas from PIT (any expansion is kindly welcomed). They already fly PHL,LGA,DCA,CLT to
32 Luketenley : Something I never looked info before. I wonder how many people connect through PHL or CLT to get to the Bahamas from PIT?
33 Post contains images Steeler83 : Like BMI. I guess they could make another stab at landing LH, even though they gave an emphatic "no" a couple years back. They have to be thinking ab
34 Luketenley : Could be. Or could've been because their DEN flights were almost maxed out. I don't know the numbers. It would be cool to see F9 come in, or other di
35 Steeler83 : Yeah, come to think of it, that would make sense. I guess a lot of people still connect through DEN to get to the West Coast. I have heard from anoth
36 Luketenley : Yeah I would imagine people connect through DEN on UA to get to LAX or other cities since PIT lacks many direct west coast flights. As far as the DL
37 Steeler83 : DL adding flights, that would downright ROCK!
38 Luketenley : Right now, any airline adding flights would ROCK! DL has a decent presence at PIT. 3rd largest airline I believe.
39 Steeler83 : Yeah, they're not that far behind WN! I think they flew 70-90k passengers in December, 2006. I could look up the data on the flypittsburgh website, b
40 USPIT10L : I think when PIT was a hub, it was a very feasible route, along with PIT-STT. I don't know if it was ever in the cards, though. MAN service would've
41 Post contains images MD90fan : Coupled with the little, but important feed, in addition to having Western PA/Ohio feed and service to major Eastern Seaboard markets. I would say en
42 Tooluther : (The new) Westinghouse also has a lot of operations in the south east, since that's where American nuclear power is concentrated. I'm sure they will b
43 Luketenley : Here are the airline totals per flypittsburgh.com. Airline 2006 Total Passengers US Airways 5,227,389 Southwest 1,138,504 Delta 772,249 United 683,829
44 ScottB : The issue with PHL is not so much airspace & runway capacity, but how that capacity is being used. The current total number of US+HP daily departures
45 Steeler83 : Wow, so in addition to everything else that lead to the downfall of US (9-11, etc...), WN's expansion of BWI contributed to that as well. Yeah, that
46 Luketenley : Probably why Parker doesn't like WN very much. I'm sure WN will take more flights off US in PIT as well.
47 SHUPirate1 : Did you know: there are 14 destinations in the US Airways system that have at least one flight per day to PHL on a turboprop, but no flights to PIT at
48 ScottB : If you look back to, say, 1993, US was the dominant carrier (or one of the top two or three carriers) at many of the airports WN added between 1993 a
49 PIT : No matter what PIT will never be a HUB again, at least for US Airways. I do see a WN Focus City thought and US dropping all the routes that WN grabs,
50 Post contains images PITSpeedbird : Wow! Debbie Downer! lol... Never say never. US and and Parker will come around
51 Tooluther : Best/Most logical PIT related post EVER
52 Jdwfloyd : WN will not grow PIT much larger. Maybe a few flights here and there, but no real growth past where they are. Currently WN is just connecting PIT int
53 Luketenley : I don't believe US will bring PIT back to hub status either. I do see them gaining more flights though. As far as US dropping those WN destinations,
54 Flaps : ScottB...well said. With regards to the Bahamas, US used to run a PIT-CLT-NAS flight on an A321 that I often used. Loads were good. Approximatley 50%
55 PIT : Yes that is very true, but US dropping PIT as a HUB had allot to do with WN coming to Pittsburgh in the first place. Does anyone know how Jetblue is
56 FCYTravis : Yes, but then you're down to just two or three flights from IPT-PHL for the (much larger) connecting banks there. US can't start unraveling PHL to bu
57 USPIT10L : "We feel that we can compete effectively against Southwest using our current cost structure" ROFL ROFL! I have that annual report and about bust a gu
58 PIT : You are exactly right. Even know PIT is a focus city, US Airways is not very focused on it but they have a good reason for it, why make 4 dollars at
59 Luketenley : I am very glad WN came to PIT. It has lowered ticket prices drastically. This has caused alot of pax who went to CLE and CMH to come back to PIT. Ano
60 Post contains links FCYTravis : Actually, the PHL long-term master plan process is underway right now, and it's possible that the entire airport could be essentially razed and rebui
61 Luketenley : " target=_blank>http://www.phl-cep-eis.com/pdfs/PHL_...6.pdf I think the first option would be the better one. Redo the entire complex. They need some
62 Steeler83 : Yeah, I completely forgot that WN entered all of those markets between 1993 and 2001, and US strongholds at that. That certainly was a big factor in
63 Luketenley : The expansion of WN is also in the eyes of duty managers in operations at PIT too. As far as multi focus city, we have tons of space. We have room fo
64 Post contains images Steeler83 : How about a 20-screen cinema? I wonder if this would make our statements all the more valid then... Eh, I guess they're also just others who have hig
65 Luketenley : HAHA I doubt that one. He is both very experience and an airport anthusiast like ourselves. He's been working for the airport for 28 years. He has de
66 PVD757 : pardon if it hasn't been posted here yet (too lazy to read through all the posts) but: PIT-MHT returns 6/3/07 with 3X ER4 service (3500 series flight
67 Post contains links Tooluther : RE: JetBlue's Pullback Stokes Fears Over Fares (by Tooluther Mar 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)
68 N670UW : Those are Trans States flights. PIT-PWM also resumes June 3, as well, twice daily on Trans States/US Express.
69 PITSpeedbird : And don't forget wireless internet!! I think that is really convenient selling point for PIT. It's very annoying to fly through ATL / MDW or the like
70 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : hopefully delta will be able to go mainline from pit as they have from det, cle, etc etc a 737-800 would be nice on the route
71 ScottB : I don't think the idea is to "unravel" PHL at all; rather, it needs to be at a size where US can operate reliably and provide a good customer experie
72 Post contains images Steeler83 : Good enough for me then That would be swell! I remember when they sent a 757 on an ATL-PIT-YYZ routing. I didn't realize it was on that routing until
73 B752OS : Does US really have that big of a hold on the BOS-PIT market? A buddy of mine has clients out in Penn Hills and he flies BOS-PIT-BOS on a monthly bas
74 PVD757 : in the 3rd quarter of 2006, US had 60% market share whereas B6 had 33%...
75 FCYTravis : Well, you can call it what you want, but the fact is that pulling flights out of PHL is unraveling the hub. You can't start dismantling the place pie
76 B752OS : I have flown US several times and connected through all 3 main hubs, PIT, CLT and PHL and have to say that PIT is by far, the easiest and nicest hub
77 PVD757 : I think moving 1 or 2 of the 8 or 9 connecting banks at PHL to PIT would preserve the needed frequency to support the O&D at PHL while at the same tim
78 ScottB : But...the idea isn't even to shrink PHL substantially; rather, you'd pull out regional flying that in itself carries little O&D to/from PHL. Places l
79 B752os : PHL will never, or would never be an ATL......US is not as large an airline for starters, their hubs are better balanced, DL is lopsided with their h
80 Post contains images Steeler83 : Man, after I thought you couldn't post anything better than in replies 44 and 48... Good post I don't see that as unraveling PHL either. Parker reall
81 Steeler83 : True, but I think he's referring to the available space to expand. PIT is actually larger than ATL by area size, despite not even having half the pax
82 Luketenley : PIT is actually the 3rd or 4th largest (not exactly sure) in terms of land area. It can, comfortably, hold ATL and ORD within the property the ACAA o
83 Post contains links B52murph : That is exactly the point I was making at the end of this thread US Airways...wow, Are Things Really This Bad? (by SHUPirate1 Mar 27 2007 in Civil Av
84 Post contains images Steeler83 : I believe you are correct that PIT is the 4th biggest airport in the country, and both ATL and ORD can fit snuggily whithin the boundaries of the KPI
85 SHUPirate1 : You know, Steeler, you may say that, but here's a shocker for you...According to DOT data from 2002 (when US still had Pittsburgh as a full-fledged h
86 Steeler83 : Jeeeze!!!!!! That IS a shocker!!! Do you know how much O&D PIT had back then? As of 2005, I believe, only 7.3 million pax originated or destinated at
87 SHUPirate1 : Top Ten: (note: these are US Airways passengers only): PHL: 6,050,620 PIT: 3,716,340 LGA: 3,530,220 DCA: 3,184,520 BOS: 3,163,160 CLT: 2,931,350 MCO:
88 PVD757 : for whoever cares, PVD had just shy of 1.1M US O&D pax in 2006 - I figure that should put us in the top 20??
89 Jdwfloyd : The problem is back ten years ago people (mainly business travelers) would pay $1000+ to travel from IND to PVD. Today those people are only paying $2
90 SHUPirate1 : According to these 2002 numbers, 993,650, which puts you thirteenth. RDU (1,096,920) and LAX (1,042,310) were the other two to crack one million.
91 Tooluther : [quote=Steeler83,reply=84] The real difference is that DL's ATL hub has HUGE O/D. Other than that, it is an interesting theory.
92 Post contains images Steeler83 : I am not sure of which statement in my reply (#84) you are refering to. I made a statement about the ATL and ORD facilities fitting snuggily within t
93 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting thread guys......sorry I'm a few days late on the party. I've been busy keeping up with all of the NW & DTW discussions. But having spent
94 Luketenley : As far as AA moving flights to DFW, who forced ORD to stop adding flights? Was it the FAA? PHL definately look at this and move more flights away from
95 MasseyBrown : Interesting. Given PIT's debt, have they made any effort to develop or sell excess land? Sounds to me like an opportunity without any risk to current
96 Luketenley : When they built the new terminal, they actually wanted to build up a nice shopping complex within its property, but Robinson Towne Centre ended up bu
97 Logos : I don't remember the timeline exactly either, but US was a late comer to the RJ party because of their mainline pilots blocking their use. I think th
98 Luketenley : Our express flights do keep PIT a functioning hub. Last I heard, we had just under 150 flights per day, 40 of those being mainline flights. That is a
99 Steeler83 : I heard that there was also another airside terminal in the master plan as well. That ain't happenin either. IMO, Moon Twp was FOOLISH for turning do
100 PITrules : The ACAA has already violated rule number one of airport planning: NEVER give up land set aside for runways to non-airfield development. There once w
101 Pgh234 : Yeah PITrules...I agree. The entire region (and its politicians) are gung-ho for developing the airport property into strip malls and office complexes
102 Luketenley : I thought the 32L/ 14R was going to be on the right side of rt 60 not interferring with the Findlay Connector? That's what I gained from the map. It'
103 Steeler83 : Yeah, hopefully it will not be some run-down has-been ville like where it's headed right now. I want PIT to make a rebound and become vital again. Wh
104 Luketenley : The new one would parallel new 60 just south of the rental car facilities and the landside terminal I believe. I'll look at the map again.
105 Post contains links N670UW : If you look at the map released in the early 1990's with the PIT capacity plan, you can see the approach end of the proposed Runway 14R is nearly adj
106 Luketenley : Yeah if I were to build an additional runway there, I would build a parallel 32/14 for the reasons you stated. Would the ARFF training facility be in
107 N670UW : It appears so. Though I'm not sure what the costs would be to relocate it, it doesn't seem to use that much land. I'm sure there would be plenty of l
108 Luketenley : Yeah probably. But its pretty new though. Plus, what are they chances we will actually see another runway built here?
109 Steeler83 : I tried the link and it does not work...
110 Post contains links PITrules : That link didn't work for me either. Try this one: http://www.faa.gov/ats/asc/publications/CAPACITY/PIT.pdf That plan is a bit different than the one
111 N670UW : I know the link doesn't work, I couldn't get it to hyperlink for some reason. You can see the URL at the end there.
112 Luketenley : Do you have a link to the copy you were looking at? I am interested in looking at it. If they really wanted to build a cargo facility across Rt. 60,
113 Steeler83 : We just have either a very stubborn or a very STUPID municipality... *cough* Moon Twp *cough* Frankly, I would love to see a dozen 747Fs on a daily b
114 PITrules : Sorry, I don't have a link. It is from 1988 (before Al Gore invented the internet). It is essentially a large layout plan of the airport.
115 Luketenley : It would be seeing 737's all the time! We need some variety! Moon township officials have to be nuts. This would've been a huge money maker. I say le
116 Post contains links Steeler83 : I was bored and started doing some google image searches of different airports, and I cam across this: http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/Cours...ents/air
117 Post contains images MD90fan : Intersting indeed. Lot's of tourists from the PIT region fly to NAS (and the Caribbean in general) during high season. So much that USA3000 periodica
118 PSU.DTW.SCE : Pardon me, but which highway/proposed highway will be I-576? I know about changing PA 60 over to I-376, not to get off topic.....Is I-576 going to be
119 USPIT10L : Basically, US used RJs to add additional capacity to the hubs, like CLTMOB, PITLIT, CLTJAN, CLTBTR, and PITCHA. Unfortunately, as the RJ flying incre
120 Luketenley : The new Findlay Connector is 576. Right now it is not an interstate but when the loop is finished, if that ever happens, it will become I- 576.
121 Luketenley : This link isn't working.
122 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/Cours...ents/airport%20information/PIT.jpg Hopefully, this one will work!!! I have some information on this actually, t
123 Luketenley : Have they said if they will actually start construction on Phase II?
124 Luketenley : I've seen this map before. The one I have has it maxed out with 7 or 8 runways.
125 Steeler83 : I am not too sure. The PA Turnpike Commission really doesn't update their construction sites that often. The last time I checked, which was a few mon
126 Post contains links Luketenley : If someone missed it... here is the link to the PIT capacity plan.. adobe required. www.faa.gov/ats/asc/publications/CAPACITY/PIT.pdf If the link doe
127 Luketenley : Does anyone know the story on the E gates getting torn down? Heard today that they had already removed the most northern arm of the E terminal. I went
128 PITrules : Doubt Southwest would build their own terminal. However, that location is perfect for a linear concourse attached to the main terminal, much like the
129 Steeler83 : Regarding the removal of the E gates... "D'OH!" but... I doubt there will be anything going in there anyway. Therefore, that is not that big of a surp
130 Luketenley : Very true. There is plans to add more gates to the X terminal if the need is there. But that is a good idea to keep the land open for future use. I w
131 Steeler83 : Agreed... They have already deviated somewhat with the non-aviation development on the property as it is... They really should stick with the master
132 Jdwfloyd : If any thing were to be done with the old E gates the existing building would need to be torn down. The reason for it is because the fill dirt the bu
133 Luketenley : I am sure the Master Plan has changed some over the years with the pullout of US and the downward spiral of PIT. We don't really need all the land fo
134 Flaps : One thing that they could do with that area is further expand the security screening area. They use part of it now for peak period screenings. Theoret
135 Luketenley : If traffic gets that high in ten years, they could build the linear terminal with a possible new security checkpoint. They could build access to that
136 Post contains links and images Luketenley : Here is a couple pics I took today. [Edited 2007-04-09 04:50:18]
137 Post contains images Steeler83 : Man... So much for my sarcastic remarks about them removing parts of the terminal... I am sure that something better will come of this in the future..
138 PVD757 : looks like US uploaded the June 10 - July 7 schedule over the weekend. MHT-PIT only shows 1 flight (instead of the previously reported 3). BDL & PVD-P
139 Steeler83 : I guess those aircaft will be used on some other flights then...
140 Luketenley : Got confirmation today... they tour down a section of the E gates to make way for the new North Baggage Matrix center that will be open this fall.
141 Steeler83 : I find this intriguing. I wonder what this will mean for future developments regarding PIT...
142 Luketenley : They could be anticipating passenger growth. I am not real sure yet. I will post more as I hear it.
143 PITSpeedbird : Do y'inz guys think that the ACAA knows something that we don't? Is it possible that they have struck a deal with US or some other carrier and they'r
144 Post contains images Steeler83 : We can only wish that this is the case...
145 Luketenley : I wouldn't get your hopes up jut yet.
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