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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

***United Airlines Upgrades***

United already announced DEN service with a 735 24Apr-04Oct, downgrading to an E70 Oct 4, 2007...

Then they upgraded 2 or RDU's 7 ORD flights to a 735 24Apr-04Oct...

Now they have upgraded 2 of RDU's 7 IAD flights to a 735 07Jun-04Oct...

They must really be looking at getting back into the real mix at RDU...

Great news all around if you ask me.. That will be 6 mainline flights at RDU for United! Not seen since.. well, has it ever been seen?

***New service?***
There is also a new rumor about a new international airline at RDU.. from what I hear, it could lead to some warm destinations for not only RDU.. but a couple of other nearby airlines of similar popn density..

***The Rambling***
Any more news or rumors and I'll be sure to let everyone know about it here.. as long as this thread stays active!


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6548 times:

I am surprised MX or AM do not serve RDU. Their is a large Mexican and Central American community in the RDU area, primarily agricultural and industrial workers. I think 2x weekly 318/319 or MD-83/73NG flight could work to Mexico City.

What do you guys think?

As far as other International Service from RDU, hmmm... I think RDU is definetly one of those markets were a smaller medium long haul plane is best fit <787!>. Perhaps we can see Frankfurt with LH? or CDG with AF? Local papers around here have been speculating that those are the 2 most demanded business routes.



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User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
There is also a new rumor about a new international airline at RDU.. from what I hear, it could lead to some warm destinations for not only RDU.. but a couple of other nearby airlines of similar popn density..

USA3000?


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 1):
Perhaps we can see Frankfurt with LH? or CDG with AF?

Any plane maker than can make an aircraft that seats 180-200 people that can fly 5000nm would have a HIT! There are so many US destinations that would work with that configuration. The 787 may be to much for RDU at the 300 pax scale that would be required.. the 757 doesn't have the necessary range.. the 767 is too much aircraft.. the 330 is too much aircraft..

Until that plane comes up, It may be a while before RDU sees nonstop FRA or CDG.. and see it effectively..

but one never knows what RDUAA is holding in their hat.. they really hint that when the North Concourse of Terminal C opens that something could be on the heels of it.. but who knows..



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4796 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
That will be 6 mainline flights at RDU for United

6?
I thought it was 5.

1 DEN
2 ORD
2 IAD

Either way, it is going to be interesting to see the loads this summer, and then see if B6, WN or F9 tries to rush in for the Winter at IAD or DEN.

Is their a possibility that United is going to go ahead and just go back to being mainline in 2008, regardless of the contracts?

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
but one never knows what RDUAA is holding in their hat.. they really hint that when the North Concourse of Terminal C opens that something could be on the heels of it.. but who knows..

With the rate of growth in Raleigh, there is a distinct possibility of International flights in the next few years.
Wake county is currently the 9th fastes growing county in the US. 35000+ added just last year. I would assume for the whole triangle it was between 50 and 60K.

The region is in good shape to weather the housing crisis, as homes never went went sky high.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
There is also a new rumor about a new international airline at RDU.. from what I hear, it could lead to some warm destinations for not only RDU.. but a couple of other nearby airlines of similar popn density..

I can't fathom an international airline that has an interest in starting service into Raleigh. Not putting Raleigh down, but it's just not that big and the triangle argument only goes so far. Raleigh just got service to LAX, much much less Mexico City.

If you're talking about warm destinations as in Cancun, look around and you'll see that typically US based carriers operate US-Cancun. American is by far RDU's best shot at operating RDU-CUN with a 738. If AM or MX come into RDU, they won't be providing leisure travel destinations.......


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5):
If AM or MX come into RDU, they won't be providing leisure travel destinations.......

Agree, I was leaning more towards service to Mexico City or Monterrey. Focus more on the Native Mexican / Central American community in the triangle area.

I doubt we will see AA building Caribbean/Latin American routes out of RDU...3 letters = MIA. With the exception though of a returning AA RDU-SJU flight, I could see that working a couple times a week.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
Wake county is currently the 9th fastes growing county in the US. 35000+ added just last year. I would assume for the whole triangle it was between 50 and 60K.

I am one of the new residents!  Smile Just moved up from Miami in January.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
6?
I thought it was 5.

ha! you right! I need to break my Hooked on Phonics back again and do the math section!

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5):
American is by far RDU's best shot at operating RDU-CUN with a 738.

American could be a choice, as well as DL.. DL has as much interest in RDU as AA has..

But RDU does have several charter flights to destiantions that occur pretty regularily.. and they used to have consistent charters on Falcon Air to NAS/CUN(?)..

Either way, there are options.. BTW.. there have been interest in service to RDU from airlines, just that none of them came to fruition.. I do recall Aer Lingus at one point had an interest (and this was AFTER AA had closed their hub).. AM or MX.. one of them.. and RDU is actively seeking to fill the gap of their top international destinations (FRA, CDG, NAS/CUN *currently service via charter airlines).. but it will be interesting to see if any of it come true...

Like I said, these are just rumors..



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5):
I can't fathom an international airline that has an interest in starting service into Raleigh. Not putting Raleigh down, but it's just not that big and the triangle argument only goes so far. Raleigh just got service to LAX, much much less Mexico City.

I agree. And also not to put it down as well , because I like that part of the country alot, but RDU has to grow more before things start changing on an international level. Believe me, if markets like BNA, IND, STL (just to name a few), and others that are realtively close to RDU's size can't get service to international destinations, I doubt service from RDU to other international markets would be an easy grab at this point. I could see either of those above markets getting Mexican service before RDU though. Having CLT nearby will at some point come back to bite RDU in the bum I would think. Especially after the renovations and expansions are complete there.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

Raleigh should be counting its blessings to have London. Frankfrut or Paris are not happening.

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 6):
With the exception though of a returning AA RDU-SJU flight,

AA has flown Raleigh-San Juan. The last time they flew the route, back in 2002/2003, the loads were horrific. We are talking about 20-25 people per flight.

Mexico City or Monterrey isn't happening either. Maybe Guadalajara, but Charlotte would get GDL before RDU ever does. Cancun is Raleigh best, and perhaps only, shot at Mexico service.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
American could be a choice, as well as DL..

With ATL being just a 45 minute flight down the road, I seriously doubt that they would add RDU-CUN. I'd say the chances are slim and none, and none just left the building. AA is more likely to add it....or F9, if they ever went to RDU....I actually think RDU-CUN on F9 would do well.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
and RDU is actively seeking to fill the gap of their top international destinations (FRA, CDG

Honestly, I just can't see RDU getting FRA or CDG, certainly not both, anytime soon. As far as Europe goes, for a market the size of RDU, business demand taken into consideration, a daily flight to London is probably all it needs. With LH just across the state in CLT, I wouln't expect them to enter RDU, and since RDU is not a SkyTeam hub, I wouldn't expect CDG service as well. Plenty of cities across the U.S have decent O&D to the major European cities, and many of those do not and will not see direct service to Europe. RDU has London, and is supporting it fairly well. But FRA/CDG....for the next few years at least....not a chance. Again, just my opinion.


User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
With LH just across the state in CLT, I wouln't expect them to enter RDU, and since RDU is not a SkyTeam hub

LH is part of the Star Alliance not SkyTeam.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Believe me, if markets like BNA, IND, STL (just to name a few), and others that are realtively close to RDU's size can't get service to international destinations, I doubt service from RDU to other international markets would be an easy grab at this point.

All 3 of those markets already have non-stop international flights to Mexico @ CUN and to Canada to YYZ. I don't see the problem with RDU having CUN service also..

RDU has a lot of international ties.. not saying that its enough to warrant a daily unsubsidized flight.. but the amount is more than anyone up here knows about.. and RDU VRFs than people think..

Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Having CLT nearby will at some point come back to bite RDU in the bum I would think.

Why? I can understand, CLT is a hub.. but destination wise.. RDU, CLT, and GSO serve 3 completely opposite markets which actually make NC a very nice place to do business...

Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Especially after the renovations and expansions are complete there.

CLT renovations or RDU renovations?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Cancun is Raleigh best, and perhaps only, shot at Mexico service.

Correct. CUN would be the only service that RDU would be looking for. CUN, NAS, FRA, and CDG are the international locations that the Research Triangle Partnership are working on getting from RDU.. that's a Cooperation that worked to get LAX and DEN.. working on SFO.. CUN and NAS are next.. followed by FRA and CDG.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Raleigh should be counting its blessings to have London.

If you don't have a goal to work towards, you will never get to that goal.. whetehr it happens or not, RDU is working on what it feels will be the most requested and highest pax count routes.. if they are FRA and CDG, then they should word towards it. They worked on WN for 5 years before they got them.. And you never know what airlines will be willing to do.

But anyway, I hope that something happens.. but I don't know when...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):

With ATL being just a 45 minute flight down the road, I seriously doubt that they would add RDU-CUN. I'd say the chances are slim and none, and none just left the building. AA is more likely to add it....or F9, if they ever went to RDU....I actually think RDU-CUN on F9 would do well.

Best shot is USA 3000 or Frontier. American doesn't even fly STL-CUN or SJU-CUN (SJU-CUN is a big market, believe it or not), and recently gave up BOS-CUN. I doubt they will fly RDU-CUN.

Quoting Danairbus (Reply 11):

LH is part of the Star Alliance not SkyTeam.

Well, if you didn't cut his sentence in half, I think you'd see he knows that.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

As a new Raleigh transplant from Miami, It baffles me how RDU has service to London; yet no service to San Francisco.
I know DL just recently started service to LAX from RDU.

Any chance of seeing SFO service soon? I know it has been speculated and mentioned. Perhaps when Virgin America takes off?

What do you guys think?



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Why? I can understand, CLT is a hub.. but destination wise.. RDU, CLT, and GSO serve 3 completely opposite markets which actually make NC a very nice place to do business...

Because Charlotte is bigger and is a hub. That is a way to link flights up and gain more PAX per flight than flying to a airport that isn't a hub for anything. RDU isn't quite the destination that CLT is nor is Greenville, SC.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
CLT renovations or RDU renovations?

Charlotte's plans call for quite a few changes on the airfield including, if I am not mistaken, a new terminal. Yes RDU renovations are going on, I know that. But CLT has some grand plans for their airport as well. Some may say that the plans, when finished for CLT, will catapult it up into the top airports in North America.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
RDU has a lot of international ties.. not saying that its enough to warrant a daily unsubsidized flight.. but the amount is more than anyone up here knows about.. and RDU VRFs than people think..

I could say the very same thing for Nashville and Asian markets, along with European markets, but it still isn't enough to warrant flights over the two oceans......YET. RDU, Triangle Research or not, isn't any different as far as business' are concerned than any other city their size and it really isn't a tourist destination per say.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
All 3 of those markets already have non-stop international flights to Mexico @ CUN and to Canada to YYZ. I don't see the problem with RDU having CUN service also..

Does AC Jazz not service RDU?? I thought they did. Frontier is the operator for the Cancun flight and I don't think RDU has them either. Odd. Eitherway, If only you knew the political wrangling that went into the securing of the flight to Cancun from BNA, LOL!! To make a long story short...... Mexican government wanted AM to fly the route, but BNA told them that doesn't fit the market place for that destination. Eventually, BNA won out and got the F9 flight to CUN (which does quite well I might add). Flights to Mexico are not easy to come by is what I am trying to say here.



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User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
Does AC Jazz not service RDU?? I thought they did.

Yes AC Jazz serves RDU.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting Danairbus (Reply 11):
LH is part of the Star Alliance not SkyTeam.

I was referring to the fact that AF is SkyTeam, as AF would be the one to start RDU-CDG.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1549 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

It's great to see the additional service from UA. Those IAD flights are well timed with UA's 5-6pm and 9pm Int'l banks. When was the last time (I can't recall ever) that RDU had mainline service to IAD from UA?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):

Honestly, I just can't see RDU getting FRA or CDG, certainly not both, anytime soon. As far as Europe goes, for a market the size of RDU, business demand taken into consideration, a daily flight to London is probably all it needs. With LH just across the state in CLT, I wouln't expect them to enter RDU, and since RDU is not a SkyTeam hub, I wouldn't expect CDG service as well. Plenty of cities across the U.S have decent O&D to the major European cities, and many of those do not and will not see direct service to Europe. RDU has London, and is supporting it fairly well. But FRA/CDG....for the next few years at least....not a chance. Again, just my opinion.

I agree, at least right now...but in the next five years, with Open Skies and the growth of the area, additional European service is not totally out of the question. FRA or MUC I see as the most likely candidates. For now RDU does fine funneling its Int'l traffic through any number of east coast gateways.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
RDU isn't quite the destination that CLT is

True, but not for the reasons you imply. RDU actually has more O&D traffic than CLT and RDU's O&D is growing at a faster pace. CLT is the much larger airport and a huge hub capable of generating a great amount of feed for its flights, therefore it is a more likely candidate to see increased Int'l service than a no-hub (no conxn feed) airport like RDU.

You can't really compare the two. RDU would be better compared with an airport like BDL or IND.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
But CLT has some grand plans for their airport as well.

CLt is a hub and it's plans are because it is a hub.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
Because Charlotte is bigger and is a hub.

If CLT were not a hub like RDU.. they would be exactly the same.. you would see roughly the same amount of passengers to the same locations at roughly the same frequency. CLT is no grander than RDU. It just happens to be a hub airport. I'm not putting CLT down because it really is a great airport, but both would service roughly the same traffic if both were on equal footing.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
RDU isn't quite the destination that CLT is

Actually, it is.. exactly the same.. the only difference is CLT is stronger in Financials while RDU is stronger in Biotech/Pharma/Comp Sci.. and GSO is strongest at Furniture and moving towards aeronautics..

Quoting Lexy (Reply 15):
but it still isn't enough to warrant flights over the two oceans......YET

The discussion is about one ocean.. and from the get go, I never said anything about service over the ocean..that's just how the discussion has grown.. I have not stated where the rumored service was to at any point... but i have let the discussion grow to see where it would lead.. And boy did it go places!

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
I was referring to the fact that AF is SkyTeam, as AF would be the one to start RDU-CDG.

With the new OS agreement, it doesn't have to be AF.. it could be anybody.. and it could be something as simple as RDU-FRA 4x weekly, RDU-CDG 3x weekly using one aircraft.. it could work.. but, again.. I never said where the place was because if it didn't come to fruition, i didn't want to be starting anything..

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 14):
yet no service to San Francisco.

If VS takes off, I'm sure you will find RDUAA will be at their door very soon and very quickly.. SFO is not an if, but a when.. It took 1 year for LAX, 1.5 year for DEN, and I predict SFO sometime late this year.. or early next..

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Best shot is USA 3000

I actually wrote them last year to see if they had any plans for RDU.. at the time, they stated they were looking at starting flights out of CLT.. still no service, which is disappointing, but at least they were contemplating NC.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 18):
RDU would be better compared with an airport like BDL or IND.

My normal comparisons with RDU is BNA, IND, AUS, and SJC.. all around the same pax count... but vastly different service..



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User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 18):
True, but not for the reasons you imply. RDU actually has more O&D traffic than CLT and RDU's O&D is growing at a faster pace.

That used to be the case but its not anymore. CLT saw dramatic growth in O&D traffic in 2006. It's O&D levels are now neck and neck with RDU. O&D growth at RDU last year was 1%....and at CLT it was 15%. This is due to the entrance of jetBlue, Airtran, and USAirways lowering their local fares.

Since fares dropped considerably in Charlotte we have pulled local traffic that in the past went to GSO. I don't know how long this explosive growth will last, but the most recent stats showed that 2007 passenger numbers are tracking 20% higher than 2006 levels. They will be opeing a new 3,000 space parking deck in a few weeks and they just announced another 4,000 space parking deck to start construction this summer.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Newest update..

No new service...

No new rumors..

Midwest Connect will operate form Terminal A.. gate unknown.. only open gate is A10, but I don't think it has a jetway AND it is right beside AirTran.. I don't think Midwest Connect would actually want that one.. call me crazy..

That's it..



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Much of RDU's O&D traffic due to UNC,NCState,Duke....would be willing to bet that the levels decrease during the summer recess. As for CLT, O&D increasing due to competition from lower fare carriers...also more geographically centered as a draw from both NC/SC.

Believe that AA once flew RDU-SJC, but was cut when SJC was downsized. RDU could probably support nonstop Bay Area service on A320 & 737-700/800 type aircraft, probably could support CUN service during school breaks.

As for FRA/CDG, CLT has service to both FRA & MUC, and the Germans have interests in nearby upper SC, which helps. Surprisingly US doesn't see fit to utilize their CLT Hub for additional European Flights (other than LGW/FRA).


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 22):
Much of RDU's O&D traffic due to UNC,NCState,Duke

How many college students do you know that can afford to fly enough to significantly affect an airport's O&D? Trust me.. as a graduate of UNC-Chapel Hill.. I can tell you.. students do not make up significant traffic.. unless you talking about around holidays or spring/fall break. And besides, no one from AgTech (NCSU) travels past the cow fields.. and everybody at DOOK has their own private jet that only flies to NJ directly out of their dormrooms.. dang Dookies.. Ohhh.. you done got me started.. Go HEELS! (even though we out of the NCAAs.. Sad we did at least carry the ACC the fartherest)

RDU actually has 50/50 leisure/business traffic.. and traffic generally remains stable year round.. if anything, traffic increases June-Aug.. while most students are not in school..

Quoting CV880 (Reply 22):
Believe that AA once flew RDU-SJC, but was cut when SJC was downsized. RDU could probably support nonstop Bay Area service on A320 & 737-700/800 type aircraft, probably could support CUN service during school breaks.

I don't know if AA flew the route.. but I know JI did.. I do believe that the best option would be SFO over OAK or SJC.. it's centrally located and has higher O&D... alas, if only UA or VA would see that.. but I digress..

As for CUN, RDU does get charter service.. I don't know how frequently, but Im sure that some scheduled service could be profitable.. except I'm thinking more E70/E90 service rather than 320/738...

Quoting CV880 (Reply 22):
Germans have interests in nearby upper SC, which helps.

Germans actually have ties all over NC.. from the coast to the mountains.. financial, biotech, IT, etc..



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User currently offlineEwmahle From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

AA still runs it's RDU-LGW route with AAs 777 and does accept connecting passengers from other AA and AA Eagle flights (Ex: STL-RDU-LGW). Would it not be feasible for an international airline to code share with a smaller provider into RDU if there is such a heavy market for European business destinations from the Raleigh area? I would imagine for the frequent business travler that an easier connection through a smaller airport like RDU would be more desireable than through a large airport like ORD, JFK, Etc. However, in the case of cancelations or MX issues you are stranded.

I think an excellent example could be with UA and LH. As this thread stated UA is expanding service into RDU, and FRA as cited above, is a poular destination among business travelers. Any possibility of creating an agreement into RDU and if not what would be the major turnoffs for UA and LH? (This hypothetical situation assumes that the PAX flow is sufficient to support the flights.)


25 ERJ170 : In my opinion.. there currently is not the right sized aircraft to offer additional internation service to RDU... RDU is a midsized market.. much like
26 LambertMan : They canceled it before it every got off the ground. If memory serves me correctly, the bookings were tanking pretty hard and the SJC focus city was
27 ERJ170 : Right now, the market is ripe for the following markets based on O&D alone.. SFO CUN NAS SEA SAN Agreed no EU besides LGW right now.. still got a bit
28 Post contains images CV880 : ERJ, I grad from UNC-CH, probably before you were born, and RDU was swamped with college students (riding on standby youth fares) way back then.... CL
29 Post contains images ERJ170 : Regardless of when one was Chapel Hill.. you're always home there.. Well, i wonder what the percentage of college students would be? I guess.. I like
30 Post contains images RDUDDJI : Ahh, the University of No Class... Proud to school the likes of Mike Nifong and Muhammed Taheri-Azar. NCSU/UNC/Duke do in fact bring in much business
31 Post contains images ERJ170 : Wow.. someone had a SuperSize of HaterAid.. yes, it is true.. I shall rethink my earlier notion and say the collegiate aspect does bring in sufficien
32 Ejmmsu : RDU-AMS is shorter than DTW-FRA, a route NW is using their newly reconfigured 757's on.
33 DeltaAVL : I was looking at some seat maps (I know, they're not always reliable, but...) for the AA 777s to LGW and noticed that the 777s are less than half full
34 RDUDDJI : As recently as 3 years ago, USX used to fly both. 2x GSP and 1x AVL on B1900's. They went away without much fanfare... I flew on both a few times. II
35 DeltaAVL : OK, so that was after 9-11. Do you ever see that coming back? Of course US Express doesn't have the B1900s anymore, but maybe with the Dash-8s or ERJ
36 PDXtriple7 : If you can't go to Duke go to state, if you can't go to state go to jail, if you can't go to jail go to hell. Go to hell Carolina, Go to hell. On brea
37 Post contains images ERJ170 : Ohhh.. education at it's best.. LOL.. Go to Duke.. heheheh.. sure.. paid 5x more for an education that is worth 0.05% the price of the paper it is pr
38 JDAirCEO : AA used to also fly RDU-AVL, but it was basically a connecting flight for the hub. They also served RIC, ORF, and many other short routes in the area.
39 Post contains links Articulatexpat : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Airlines_%28JI%29 Prior to 9/11, Midway Airlines was based at RDU and served a few NC destinations. The list on i
40 ERJ170 : Personally myself, I could see intra-Carolina service on something like the Grand Caravan and the Embraer 120/Dash 8.. Here's what I mean.. Grand Car
41 DeltaAVL : Hmm, I don't think we'll see any Grand Caravans entering service for the Carolinas. Maybe something like a 19-seat B1900 instead. And to add to that
42 MAH4546 : Intra-Carolina service is a pipe dream. Not happening. If someone tries it, it won't last more than six months. All states talk about how they "need"
43 FlyDreamliner : AA's very confusing 772ER service between RDU-LGW is only because of some big drug company in the RDU triangle area. I want to say it is Glaxo-Smithk
44 ERJ170 : Cargo and rotation. And so you are right.. a 762ER 3 class would be the right aircraft... Hmmm.. makes me wonder..
45 ERJ170 : ****News Update****** 1. Air Canada Jazz looks to be adding their 4th seasonal flight into a yearly flight. 2. RDU-STL/LGA/AUS mainline flights start
46 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : Hey, even though I'm just a lowly Master's student at State, I resent that remark I'm involved enough in the nonprofit I work with to have to fly to
47 ERJ170 : Tobacco Road.. gotta love it.. MD80 Let's See... UNC-Chapel Hill started in 1789 as the "First Public University in the Nation".. USC stated in 1801.
48 DeltaAVL : Well, if they tried it with 737s, that's obviously way too much capacity. In order to be effective, it needs to be in a small turboprop. Jets are jus
49 Garnetpalmetto : In this particular case, trains. NCDOT lhas been pertty active in trying to restore intra-NC train service and the current Piedmont line between Rale
50 Post contains images Delta767 : GO HEELS (spoken from a recent grad!) Does anyone remember US flights from RDU-MYR or GSO-MYR? I seem to remember seeing a Dash-8 at MYR operating the
51 Jdairceo : Loads on the new AA mainline service are terrbile. Between AUS, LGA, and STL there is only one day in the near future that any of these flights are bo
52 Post contains images DeltaAVL : That's really too bad. I was hoping AA would do well on these. Maybe it's time for Eagle to get some new aircraft in the 70-100 seat range...
53 Gsoflyer : I remember these, they had good loads out of GSO.
54 RDUDDJI : Yeah, AUS on mainline didn't make too much sense to me. I would think travelers would want frequency over mainline service in that mkt. The timing of
55 JBLUA320 : I'm a student at Elon University and use GSO and RDU equally, and I can tell you that even on non-breaks, the student traffic has increased. Over bre
56 JDAirCEO : AUS was upg because the two daily Eagle flights are full everyday and it's an effort to keep the tech traffic, which is one reason AUS-SJC was upg to
57 ERJ170 : Well service starts tomorrow on American RDU-STL/AUS/LGA new MD88 service... if they are not showing signs of good levels now, expect them to get bett
58 MIASkies : Speaking of... I saw an AA 752 on finals to land at RDU yesterday at around 3:30pm. Was the MIA flight on 752 yesterday? rather than the usual 738?
59 ERJ170 : Just checked flightaware and it said it was a 738.. but I don't know.. So my question is.. who will be the airline to offer the following routes next
60 STL30L : There was definately an AA 757 at RDU yesterday. My flight taxied past it around 4:20pm on the way to the gate.
61 ERJ170 : Diversion? Medical Emergency? Charter flight?
62 Post contains links and images DeltaAVL : Take a look at these: Check this out: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20070408/1645Z/KDFW/KRDU And then it looks like it went to JFK
63 JDAirCEO : flt. 492 DFW-JFK departs at 1050 and is scheduled as a 757 as well as flt. 712 DFW-LGA departing at 1020, probably was one of these flts. Side Note: 4
64 Wolfpacker : PVD has been tried many times. I'm surprised noone can make it work.
65 ERJ170 : Add BUF also.. both of those destinations would work well from RDU with the right size aircraft (CRJ/CR7/E70). *******Upcoming routes******* Beginnin
66 Flyibaby : The first link showing the arrival into RDU is an obvious diversion as no flights line up for arrival to RDU over Morehead City...it just doesn't hap
67 ERJ170 : Yeah! today is my 3 year anniversary!!!!!! Congratulations to me! yeah me!!!
68 JROTTO : Duke Blue Devil here, Is there any chance of an RDU-HPN flight? I think it could be a big success.
69 ERJ170 : would only be successful using a E35-E45 or CRJ... most likely service would be offered by American Eagle or ExpressJet.. United Express, US Airways
70 Rdukid : Any news as to how mainline on American to STL, LGA, and AUS is doing? And if this goes well could American possibly be adding more mainline service o
71 MAH4546 : LGA is doing fine, as it should. STL and AUS are performing quite poorly, and won't be mainline for long if things don't pick up this summer.
72 MSYtristar : It's hard for mid tier cities to keep mainline to STL now that the hub is a shell of its former self. I would think cities with high O&D to STL have
73 JDAirCEO : Loads on RDU-AUS are crepping up, but still not where they should be for the route to stay mainline. RDU-STL still has very low loads for MD80 service
74 STL30L : I have flow the new STL-RDU mainline twice now. It is such a nice change, I had forgotten what it was like to fly on something other than an EMB-145.
75 ERJ170 : My predictions... RDU-STL will return to 4x ERJ service.... RDU-AUS will return to 2x ERJ service RDU-LGA will remain 8x ERJ, 1x MD80 and the aircraft
76 MAH4546 : American Eagle will end all three within a year, or when they run Expressjet out of the market, whichever comes first. And Expressjet, if they someho
77 ERJ170 : LOL.. you would make a GREAT mortician... you have this "Peace" in your words.. hehehehe..
78 MrSTL : RDU-STL is a 70-90 seat a flight market. AA does not have the equipment to use in STL that would best fit this route. AA would do well out of these mi
79 CasInterest : I think some of these routes are built for summer hub overflow handling, and may be pulled in the fall in favor of the CRJ/ERJ, but the real problem
80 ERJ170 : Hahhahhaa.. close.. RDU is a 70-130 seat market.. thus E70/CR7 - 737/320 works best...
81 ERJ170 : Whoooh... Just got back from a day at RDU.. First of all, I didn't see any XJet advertisement... of any sort.. other than RDU having a banner up annou
82 RDUDDJI : My Dad will be flying Revenue on the first RDU-DEN UA flight. I am very excited about it. It still has about 25 seats open on the first day, but othe
83 ERJ170 : It will be sticking.. interesting enough.. the first day's flight is flown by a 733.. meaning about 20 additional seats were added as of last week's
84 Post contains links CasInterest : Here's some info on the retail changes coming to RDU Wolfgang, Starbucks..... RDU Blog Lots going on at RDU. According to the website, Midwest connect
85 ERJ170 : Tomorrow is the start of the mass entrance.. Tomorrow (24Apr07) = 1x DEN (new), 2x IAD (upgrade), 2x ORD (upgrad) **United mainline return after 6 yea
86 JDAirCEO : AE new routes to JAX SDF MCI are coming up May 1. MCI seems to have the best bookings, JAX is ok, and SDF isnt doing so hot. We all know why the route
87 ERJ170 : Expected. Expected. Expected. Which sucks because AA/AE is trying to keep an unreasonable cap on RDU.. as soon as/if XE drops them, AE will drop them
88 CasInterest : Well AA/MQ are definately going all out for the MCI, SDF, and JAX routes. They are advertising for it like crazy during the rush hours on the radio.
89 Wolfpacker : for a minute there I thought WN was going to add a non-stop to Seattle, that would have been sweet. Oh well I'll take the another nonstop to Vegas.
90 Rdu777 : I was thinking the exact same thing. Would have been out of the blue if WN was the one to announce a flight to Seattle even though I could see them m
91 Post contains images Teixeim : I think that plane was called a Boeing 707!
92 ERJ170 : hehehe.. think "Still in Production" though.. that would work...
93 ERJ170 : ****Newest and updated RDU news***** 1. Southwest added a 2nd daily LAS flight. (New) 2. American Eagle starts JAX, MCI, and SDF this coming Tuesday.
94 RDUDDJI : Source? If that's on "pax enplanements" data, then RDU has fallen almost 20 places from just a few years ago. I find that hard to believe...
95 ERJ170 : RDU 51st busiest airport in U.S. Triangle Business Journal - January 5, 2007 Raleigh-Durham International Airport ranks as the 51st busiest airport in
96 Wolfpacker : Anyone know how ExpressJet is doing out of RDU? Or AE for that matter, on the new routes.
97 RDUDDJI : Okay good, then it's not enplanements, it's movement data.
98 Post contains images ERJ170 : The latest pictures of RDU construction... from car level... the last truckload of steel arrived last month.. now its only between 13-16 months before
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