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EK President To Inspect Airbus A350 Next Week  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=con...id=apGl_EgygZrQ



By Massoud A. Derhally March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Tim Clark, President of Emirates, the largest Arab airline, will visit Airbus SAS in France next week before deciding whether to order as many as 100 Airbus' A350 or Boeing Co.'s 787.

''We still don't know enough about the A350 XWB. I'm in Toulouse next week to look at the A350 just to have a closer look and see how it's evolved from where it was a year ago,'' Clark said in a telephone interview today from Dubai, United Arab Emirates. ''We will be in a better position to decide what we are going to do and take it from there.''

''We have quite a lot of information on the 787,'' he said.


I think the last line is a very telling line. EK has scant information on the A350 and admits to having a lot of information on the 787. I think Clark is going to Toulouse to get little bit more pricing concession out of Boeing but I think Boeing and EK are ready to launch the 787-10.


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10531 times:

I'm not sure that Clark ever really though that he'd buy the XWB, although to contradict myself they should have ordered some dreamliners ages ago as they'll have to wait years for them now.

Just imagine if they did order 100 and QR ordered 80 what a boost for the programme that would be!


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Just imagine if they did order 100 and QR ordered 80 what a boost for the programme that would be!

Yep that would bring that program back.

We also have to wonder how the A380 delays all play into this. Clark was moaning about the A380 being 6 tons overweight and he is in negotiations with Boeing over the 748I.

A few years ago Boeing wasn't even thinking about the -10 version but now they are so the only real option a few years ago was to get the -9 for a 2010 delivery. If they go with the -10 they'll most certainly get it in 2012. I'm sure Boeing wouldn't be stupid enough to not save a few spots in 2012 on out for the -10 deliveries.

Some existing orders for the -8 and -9 can also be converted to the -10 (like for SQ and QF).



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Really, how much media-attention does the man and his airline need...

EK is telling the world for more than two years now that they are on the way to Seattle or Toulouse to get more information about planes and that they are about to order 100 planes in the B787/A350-category. I mean, really, If he keeps saying it and doesn't order it he will loose his credibility in my opinion.

On the other hand, Clark is a master in negotiating and saying a lot in public does put the pressure on for the manufacturers.

It's just one of those "I'm still alive and kicking" messages and we'll just have to wait and see...

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
On the other hand, Clark is a master in negotiating and saying a lot in public does put the pressure on for the manufacturers.

That's the only reason why he talks in public like that.

He's just a business man trying th get the best price possible by whatever legal means necessary.



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

What is their to look at on the A350? Still very little is known about the final model of it.

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
I think Clark is going to Toulouse to get little bit more pricing concession out of Boeing but I think Boeing and EK are ready to launch the 787-10.

Agreed, I think Clark already knows he is going 787 and wants abit better price from Boeing.

Only time will tell...



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
I'm not sure that Clark ever really though that he'd buy the XWB, although to contradict myself they should have ordered some dreamliners ages ago as they'll have to wait years for them now.

I'm going to take him at his word this time that he doesn't have information about the A350XWB. I suspect the definition is pretty vague still. Airbus still haven't gotten that SQ order signed.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
I think the last line is a very telling line. EK has scant information on the A350 and admits to having a lot of information on the 787.

Isnt this odd....Finnair, TAP Portugal and Aeroflot seem to have enough information about the A350 to reconfirm their orders for the type, but EK only has scant information concerning the A350? Something is not right here.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
We also have to wonder how the A380 delays all play into this. Clark was moaning about the A380 being 6 tons overweight and he is in negotiations with Boeing over the 748I.

Dont forget the A346 affair. It certainly seems as if there is a strain on the Dubai-Toulouse relationship.....or this one big show for the media and an attempt by EK to get more concessions and better prices out of Airbus?

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
Airbus still haven't gotten that SQ order signed

Good point......we have not heard much about SQ's A333/A359 deal lately, that is strange, there was so much fanfare about getting SQ onboard the A350 program.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
QR ordered 80

Another long drama......some think that Qatar is playing wait and see, and will order whichever type that EK orders....and some think the exact opposite and are convinced that Qatar will order the type that EK does NOT order in an attempt to lock in very low pricing.

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 5):
Agreed, I think Clark already knows he is going 787 and wants abit better price from Boeing.

More and more people are thinking this......that we will see the 787-10 launched in Paris with an EK order for 50 airplanes and 50 options.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10229 times:
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For an airplane still 14+ months away from having the design frozen I don't know what good looking at what they have now...

Of course Airbus has a solid track record lately of picking one route and going with it, so maybe he knows something we don't Big grin


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Isnt this odd....Finnair, TAP Portugal and Aeroflot seem to have enough information about the A350 to reconfirm their orders for the type, but EK only has scant information concerning the A350? Something is not right here.

Well the first two are dedicated Airbus operators. They'll sign on even if there isn't enough info. SU was a purely political order made at the Kremlin, not at SU's corporate offices.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):

Well the first two are dedicated Airbus operators. They'll sign on even if there isn't enough info. SU was a purely political order made at the Kremlin, not at SU's corporate offices.

Agreed on all counts: but even dedicated customers dont by airplanes with only ""scant" information available.  confused 


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10186 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
I'm in Toulouse next week to look at the A350 just to have a closer look and see how it's evolved from where it was a year ago,'' Clark said in a telephone interview today from Dubai

In all industries... doesn't the salesman usually travel to the customer to show off the product/design? not the other way around....

This has to be an EK negotiation tactic to squezze a better price out of BOEING for the 787's. Although you would think that by the simple fact that you are ordering 100 WB planes...by default you are getting huge discounts already......


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Isnt this odd....Finnair, TAP Portugal and Aeroflot seem to have enough information about the A350 to reconfirm their orders for the type, but EK only has scant information concerning the A350? Something is not right here.

Yeah Clark is sounding off again........

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Dont forget the A346 affair. It certainly seems as if there is a strain on the Dubai-Toulouse relationship.....or this one big show for the media and an attempt by EK to get more concessions and better prices out of Airbus?

The A346 affair was nothing to do with Airbus - EK ordered the plane in good faith and Airbus was perfectly able to deliver the plane that EK ordered. EK decided that they didn't want it anymore and then raised hell..... actually it has never been explained what has happened to their order as they never actually cancelled - it was suggested that they had sold their slots to someone else but silence....

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Good point......we have not heard much about SQ's A333/A359 deal lately, that is strange, there was so much fanfare about getting SQ onboard the A350 program.

Well the A330 orders have gone through so that does suggest that the XWBs will be ordered at some point - I wonder if these are being hoarded for Paris?


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 5):
Agreed, I think Clark already knows he is going 787 and wants abit better price from Boeing.



Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
I think Clark is going to Toulouse to get little bit more pricing concession out of Boeing

Just keep in mind that Qatar recently announced that they will order up to 80 A350 soon and shortly after that announcement Clark is going to Toulouse - I don´t think this is a coincidence.
If EK was really interested in the 787 they would already have placed a big order.Delivery slots for the 787 are rare and with airlines like BA, AA, DL, LH and others that will order the 787 or A350 soon delivery slots for 100 aircraft will be hard to get. Clark also knows that Airbus is in a weak position right now and the compensation for the A380 delay is still open. Airbus can not afford to loose such a big customer to Boeing and therefore is willing to make a good price for EK together with the A380 compensation Airbus can offer them a very sweet deal.
I also believe that the A350-800, 900 and A350-1000 are much closer to what EK is looking for as the 787-10 is.
With the A350 they can replace everything from the A330-200 - 777-300ER. This is what Airbus is aiming at with A350 anyway.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Well the A330 orders have gone through so that does suggest that the XWBs will be ordered at some point - I wonder if these are being hoarded for Paris?

I thought the A330 order was part of the A380 compensation package not part of the A350 deal?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10060 times:
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I continue to believe that EK will order the 787-9 and 787-10, most likely by or at Paris.

And I continue to believe that 787 order will in no way deter EK from also ordering the A350XWB-900 and A350XWB-1000 - perhaps also by or at Paris.


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Well the A330 orders have gone through so that does suggest that the XWBs will be ordered at some point - I wonder if these are being hoarded for Paris?

Well, that's an option.

Also, what has become to the downpayments on their "deferred" A340-600 order? Emirates is an airline with sufficient funding, but it would be somehow a pity to lose that money. On the other hand, a total cancellation of the A340-600 order as a compensation for the delayed A380 could also be an option.

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 11):
In all industries... doesn't the salesman usually travel to the customer to show off the product/design? not the other way around....

Not always. A lot of airline CEO's travel frequently to Seattle or Toulouse to see how planes are being build and to have a look at the cabin mock-up showroom or something like that. It's always good to have an impression where your multi-million-dollar-order is being produced.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):

I thought the A330 order was part of the A380 compensation package not part of the A350 deal?

Sort of but the A330s are on a lease deal until the XWBs arrive - it would be a strange thing to do to get interim lift if you weren't getting the eventual planes?


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10038 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
With the A350 they can replace everything from the A330-200 - 777-300ER. This is what Airbus is aiming at with A350 anyway.

It's questionable that they are looking to replace the 773ER at this point. Their fleet would be pretty young at they EIS of the A350-1000. And it remains to be seen whether the A358XWB is competive with the 789, if ER is actually interested in an aircraft in that class.

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
Delivery slots for the 787 are rare and with airlines like BA, AA, DL, LH and others that will order the 787 or A350 soon delivery slots for 100 aircraft will be hard to get.

The thing is Boeing has 5 years to ramp up capacity and create more slots. Because the A350XWB EIS is so far after even 789 EIS, Boeing can assess how much captive demand there is for aircraft before 2013-2014 and make a decision about ramping capacity before Airbus can do anything about it.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10036 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 17):
Sort of but the A330s are on a lease deal until the XWBs arrive - it would be a strange thing to do to get interim lift if you weren't getting the eventual planes?

They could also be interim lift until the 787s come, as well.  Wink


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):
Well the first two are dedicated Airbus operators. They'll sign on even if there isn't enough info.

The nonsense you get to read around here just keeps on surprising me...  Yeah sure

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
I thought the A330 order was part of the A380 compensation package not part of the A350 deal?

Seeing that the A330 order was worth quite a bit more than what they got as compensation, I tend to doubt that it was only part of one, but not the other - I'd guess that it's combined to both.

Nonetheless - right now, EK's/Clark's behavior does seem somewhat strange...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9993 times:
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As to TAP and Finnair, if they found the original A350 good enough, then I see no reason why they would not feel the A350XWB is good enough, especially if they get it at the same or similar pricing. So while I agree that it is not a case of "whatever you build, Airbus, we'll buy", I expect both airlines believe the A350XWB will be no worse then the A350 and will instead be much better because, frankly, it has to be.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
I thought the A330 order was part of the A380 compensation package not part of the A350 deal?

No body seems to know for sure, or for what amount.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):

I'm going to take him at his word this time that he doesn't have information about the A350XWB. I suspect the definition is pretty vague still. Airbus still haven't gotten that SQ order signed.

I've heard him and EK's Chairman Flanigan quite often state on print and video that they don't have too much information about the A350.....I actually think there is some merit to these recent comments...

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):

Isnt this odd....Finnair, TAP Portugal and Aeroflot seem to have enough information about the A350 to reconfirm their orders for the type, but EK only has scant information concerning the A350? Something is not right here.

....see above... Smile



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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):

Agreed on all counts: but even dedicated customers dont by airplanes with only ""scant" information available.

Well, I bet they would if them were compensated enough for their original orders. Airbus needed to save face and Finn and TAP found the compensation agreeable.


25 EI321 : I thought that the Finnair A350/A340 order was their first order for airbus widebodys.
26 Ikramerica : EK has said they are interested in the 787-10. That plane won't EIS before 2013, and it might be 2014. EK has not lost any ground at all, as they wou
27 Post contains images Astuteman : I should b***y well hope so! The 787 will fly this year. The Industrial launch of the A350XWB was only 3 months ago, and it won't fly for 6 years. Bo
28 Columba : The support of GE is inevitable if Airbus is hoping to sell one to AF.
29 AA1818 : I'm by no way an Aibus cheerleader. I like Boeing planes, hope to see Boeing dominate, but I do acknowledge that Airbus makes high quality, competitiv
30 NYC777 : Heh, heh! He's probably talking about the 787-10.
31 Columba : This is exactly what I am thinking !!!
32 Dutchjet : But will the A350 cover such a broad market effeciently, thats they key question.
33 Post contains images Astuteman : See my earlier comment Regards
34 EI321 : Both the A350 & 787 are being manufactured in three sizes, but the 787-10 will have the same MTOW as the 787-9 from where I stand. Does anybody remem
35 Zvezda : In 2004, Boeing extended the 787's wingspan for the purpose of better accommodating the -10. At that time, I don't believe there was serious consider
36 Dutchjet : I do understand that.....the A350 program extends to the 773/A346 market, the 787 program does not.
37 EI321 : Well the the 787-9, and certainly the 787-10 does eat into the 777/A340 market.
38 Dutchjet : Please read what I said...... I said the 773/A346 market.
39 Post contains images Stitch : The 787-8 better matches the A332 in capacity then the A358XWB does and is lighter to boot. The 787-9 is essentially dead-equal to the A333 and A343
40 Ikramerica : Actually, the more important question is why people think EK needs to replace all those jets with one family to begin with. They currently do quite w
41 Post contains images 2H4 : In other news, French drug stores are predicting record sales of antacid tablets this week and next.... 2H4
42 Post contains images NYC777 : All in the Toulouse area, right?
43 SkyyMaster : How do you inspect an airplane that is still a concept at this stage? I think the mantra at Boeing and Airbus is, "If you build it, EK will come". Ser
44 Astuteman : How do you think an aircraft gets from concept to production?................. Regards
45 Atmx2000 : The cabin length difference is ~1.6m, so the difference is closer to two Y seat rows, or 16 8Y seats, assuming the space is equally usable. Which isn
46 Glareskin : I agree with you that it seems unlikely that they want (just) the 787. This action must indicate some real interest in the A350. In fact, I think Air
47 Stitch : Boeing shows 63m for the length of the 787 and Airbus shows 63.6m for the length of the A330/A340. Also, the 787 does not taper quite as significantl
48 Zvezda : The 787-9 has a cabin length of 48.37m. The A330-300 and A340-300 have a cabin length of 50.35m.
49 Post contains images Stitch : Point taken. Still, I imagine the ability to throw an extra seat in per row in Y (and possibly even in F/C/J) should take care of it.
50 BoeingFever777 : Either something isn't right or Airbus is selling the A350XWB to these carriers at A350 prices and Airbus is soaking up the lose for the delays once
51 Atmx2000 : I'm using Airbus's cabin length and widebodyphotog's 789 cabin length.
52 Flysherwood : Do we truly believe that Mr. Clark needs the press to tell Boeing that he is visiting France? Mr. Clark is building up public recognition for this lit
53 Zeke : I also hear some people privately annoyed at some airlines passing on confidential information to other manufacturers, the information from what I he
54 DAYflyer : Makes sense to me.
55 Post contains images Brilondon : I am sure he knows alot that we don't
56 Zvezda : Neither EK nor SQ have ordered the A350. SQ have ordered the 787. As for larger, the 787 has an exterior cross-section of 226x235 inches while the A3
57 Glareskin : I don't recall writing that they did. But IIRC SQ did order. Not firmed up so far though. And I didn't refer to the cross section. Merely the fact th
58 Columba : They also said that they want to work with Airbus on the A350 because they would be able to have a much more input as they would have on the 787 beca
59 Stitch : Not sure if you are referring to the 787 or A350XWB here, but SQ has signed a firm sales contract for the 787 and a Letter of Intent (to eventually s
60 2wingtips : How very sensible Stitch! Even though Clark has repeatedly said the order won't be split, I don't believe him. 100 firm in this category gives ample
61 Stitch : Neither do I. Their growth is too strong to settle on "one family fits all" unless Boeing really does have a 787-11 up their sleeve or Clark believes
62 Zvezda : There is absolutely no chance of a Y3 EIS by 2015 and Clark would know that. The possibility of Y3 preceding Y1 closed when Boeing launched the 747-8
63 Danny : If Clark wanted to order 787, he would have done so a long time ago with deliveries starting around 2010. Just because crowd on airliners know very l
64 CXfirst : This is exactly why I want EK to get A350's. Why get the 787-10 when he can get the A350-900 and go both directions in total passenger volume (in cas
65 Stitch : Well maybe he was a bit smarter then Chew Choon Seng over at SQ and is holding on to some early delivery slots so if he does finally decide on the 78
66 ER757 : I guess it's all open to interpretation because I don't read it that way at all. I've said from day one that EK will go A350 and I am sticking with t
67 BoeingFever777 : Can't understand your text to be honest... Second Leahy, has waisted the last 2 years of Clark's time so would not surprise me if he is going to wais
68 Danny : There is a finite number of slots. 500 Dreamliners sold. Let's stop this fiction about early slots reserved for UA, early slots reserved for BA, earl
69 NYC777 : And how do you know that EK didn't put down a refundable deposit on 2012 slots for the 787-10. You don't. Heck last year SQ bought 20 787-9. Mid 2006
70 Stitch : Yes there have been roughly 500 Dreamliners sold, but do we know they are set for serial delivery, one every three days, in succession? I highly doub
71 2wingtips : Not true. Clark has repeatedly said they will wait for the right aircraft. The 787-10 won't be ready until 2012 at the earliest and that is when EK a
72 Post contains images 7cubed : He better have a good imagination. I don't see it odd at all especially with Aeroflot. They would of bought anything that wasn't made in the U.S. - I
73 SkyyMaster : That statement was meant as sarcasm. Perhaps I should've put the corresponding smiley face with it. The rest of my comment however was meant to be re
74 BoomBoom : Make up you mind, Danny. Is it 2013 or 2014? Which is fact, which is fiction?
75 EBJ1248650 : I'm more inclined to believe he's wanting to see if there's enough of an advance over the 787 to wait for the A350. Surely Boeing is wise enough to n
76 UAEflyer : Clark is in France to show Boeing that i have others that can do whatever i want (discounts, modification....etc), so you guys (Boeing) you better tak
77 FlyDreamliner : Just out of curiousity, with all of his A380 yet to come online, his many 777s yet to be delivered adding capacity, and then 100 787-10/A350-900 sized
78 UAEflyer : Tim Clark is a very smart oldie, he know what to do. If he couldn't fly them he will easily lease them, or apply his plan B, Emirates express (Intern
79 Post contains images Columba : Do you if they did ? I bet you don´t know either. This is also just an speculation on your side. Lets take a look at the facts that we know: We know
80 Post contains images Astuteman : It's stretching belief a bit that these, and a whole host of other carriers have put down slots for 2011-2013, AND Boeing have 500 firm orders AND th
81 XT6Wagon : EK has always struck me as looking far beyond the $$$. If Boeing or Airbus makes him the exact plane he wants, he will pay more than he would if it w
82 Zeke : XWB is 12" wider than the A330 and five inches wider than the 787, it has 3" more room at the armrest than the 787, 4" more at the shoulders and 5" m
83 Scouseflyer : You're right - I always thought it was ovoid?
84 Scbriml : In the same way that QF worked closely with Boeing on the 777? How many 777s does QF have in its fleet? At the end of the day, it means very little.
85 Post contains images UAEflyer : it is much different with EK, Boeing officials was here recently in DXB they met Clark and many others, they gave a very good plans for Emirates. Few
86 XT6Wagon : Uh? no one said it did? The A350XWB from my understanding is a new large "bubble" ontop of the old small A330/350XNB lower "bubble". So The upper dec
87 Post contains images Astuteman : Not explicitly, perhaps.. But that's certainly the inference one could easily draw from this statement..... Regards
88 Post contains links and images Keesje : What also should be considered IMO - The US doesn´t have a great press in the middle east at this moment, also not at the top (ports clash & EK : sa
89 Astuteman : Just a point of order on the Airbus sourced figures, Keejse. Boeing, on their website, list the range of the 787-9 in high-density configuration (whi
90 Scouseflyer : Is the 789 fixed now or is it's size still under consideration?
91 Norcal773 : Sometimes I get the feeling Clark and UHS were separated at birth.
92 Scouseflyer : Or he's jaun Trippe (as portrayed in The Aviator) re-incarnated!
93 Post contains images Norcal773 : I mean SUH
94 Astuteman : Fixed AFAIK, but Boeing quote 2 configurations on their website - 250 pax for a range of 8 000Nm, or 290 pax for a range of 8 000 Nm. Regards
95 Gbfra : I spoke to Tim Clark recently and he was really firm: He will NOT split the order and he is ready to buy either A or B. By the way the Airbus people
96 EI321 : Im not sure that would b an issue at Dubai, esp the new airport, as runway should be very long... I also think that the 787 seating figures are odd,
97 Scouseflyer : I thought it was very relevant - in fact wasn't there a story that Ek sent a set of 9 abreast seats to AB and said if you can get these into the A350
98 EI321 : Sorry, my mistake. I should have said that the 8 abreast is not relevant!
100 Stitch : Well if he is bound and determined to do only one, then I imagine the A350XWB will win, but Boeing's going to still sell a number of 777s to them in
101 Post contains links and images Keesje : Seems that race has been run. ''We have got what we want from them,'' Akbar al-Baker, chief executive of the state-owned, Persian Gulf airline, said
102 Scouseflyer : Looks like 80 is the final figure too - not up to 80. Although I'll be more confident when they're on the O&A spread sheet
103 Post contains images EI321 : The A350 is still on its ski trip by the looks of things   Are they ordering 20 A350-1000s?[Edited 2007-03-27 15:46:19]
104 SkyyMaster : This is the question I keep asking. There is a finite number of destinations, and in theory, a finite number of passengers. I still think the region
105 Stitch : I am sure EK will retire all 4 A310s, 29 A332s, 8 A343s, 10 A345s, 3 772As, 6 772ERs, and 12 773As, so that is 72 A350XWB-900s/787-10s right there. Th
106 Revelation : You contradict yourself in the same reply, Danny.
107 Post contains links and images Scbriml : I believe EK has already disposed of their last pax A310 (A6-EKL) to White, however, I doubt they'll get rid of their recently acquired A310Fs very s
108 Post contains images Stitch : I should have clarified my comment to note I was referring to passenger frames (as reported on wiki). In other words, while EK is adding a shedload o
109 Post contains images Scbriml : There's your first problem, relying on wiki! EK's A310 fleet (until very recently) consisted of a single pax model (A6-EKL) and three "new" freighter
110 UAEflyer : I agree, here is a retire schedule for the A310, A332 only, nothing said about the Boeings they, this is according to Mr. Clark statment in WTM The o
111 Atmx2000 : Has it been officially confirmed that it is 232x232? To me it looked non circular. Which wouldn't make sense if was circular. If the XWB was circular
112 XT6Wagon : Since thats the only way they can beat the 787 in marketing materials?
113 Post contains images Astuteman : The argument? It looks non-circular to me too. And it is. I think that was the point. Statements saying (or inferring) that it is circular are incorr
114 Post contains links Danny : Quoting Revelation (Reply 106): Quoting Danny (Reply 63): If Clark wanted to order 787, he would have done so a long time ago with deliveries starting
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