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An Interesting Discovery Made At MSY Tonight  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

I was taking a stroll under Concourse B this evening....something which I have done pretty frequently as of late. As I neared the end of the terminal, I happened to to stop for a second to take a look at an old door under gate B-9 which used to lead to an ops room of some sort. Not sure why the door caught my eye, but I'm glad it did. I took out my trusty pocket flashlight and flashed it on the door. And I'd be lying if I told you that what I saw didn't out a huge grin on my face. There it was...hidden behind dust which I wiped off...faded but easily legible...

PAN AM

I could even make out the faded outline of the globe underneath.

So now that I have found PA's old ops office...which looks like has not seen any use since 12/4/91...my next objective is to get in it somehow and see what, if anything, is left in there.

After many years of searching for traces of Pan Am at MSY, I found it tonight. And I couldn't be happier.

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Sounds like another cold case solved  duck  Did Pan Am serve MSY prior to the merger with National?

User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

See what kind of memorabilia that might be in there, put it on e-bay  Wink

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
After many years of searching for traces of Pan Am at MSY, I found it tonight. And I couldn't be happier.

One of my few trips on PanAm (the original one) was near the end, when they had a better fare than WN from Dallas to MSY. I took them there and back for the weekend on a 727. Lovely, classy, wonderful, world-class short flight.

[Edited 2007-03-27 05:26:35]

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

I had a similar (though overall less exciting) experience once at DFW a year or two ago. There was some construction going on in one of the AA terminals, and I accidentally wandered into some sort of service area -- I think it was either a maintenance area for the old TrAAin, or maybe an old loading platform for it. On the wall there was a sign that directed passengers to two airlines I had never heard of, Chapparal and ... something like Metro Airlines (anyone have any idea what it might have been?). I looked up the airlines later, and that sign would have been from 1985 at the latest. I wish I had gotten a picture, and I'm particularly kicking myself since I think I had a camera on me at the time.


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 4):
something like Metro Airlines (anyone have any idea what it might have been?).

Well, Metro was gone before I moved to Houston, thus this carrier remains a mystery to me. However from what little info that I have gathered about Metro, they were a Clear Lake City/NASA based commuter carrier that operated out of a very unique STOL airport at Clear Lake City (which is now long gone), though most of their ops were routed via IAH. The carrier operated from the late 60s up until the mid 80s, when they moved to DFW (I was told they were made apart of AA Eagle). Again this info that I acquired 2nd hand so some it may not be completely accurate. I welcome any insights on this short lived intriguing airline.


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
However from what little info that I have gathered about Metro, they were a Clear Lake City/NASA based commuter carrier that operated out of a very unique STOL airport at Clear Lake City (which is now long gone), though most of their ops were routed via IAH.

Interesting! Thanks for the info. After I saw that sign, I posted a thread about it, and anyone interested in this topic would probably be interested in some of the replies to it:

http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2038068

The "Ask the Pilot" author (and poster on this message board) writes occasionally about how he was able to explore BOS as a kid in ways that would be unthinkable today due to security. I wonder how many more defunct corporate logos would turn up with that kind of access.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 6):
The "Ask the Pilot" author (and poster on this message board) writes occasionally about how he...

"She", isn't it?


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
"She", isn't it?

He is, as far as I know, male. He's got an "Ask the Pilot" column out there somewhere about how he nearly killed himself in an attempt to impress a date on a flight out to Martha's Vineyard (or some such place.) Not that that's dispositive, of course, but his description of the young lady was memorable and didn't strike me as something a female would write. Re-reading that, I think I'm making it sound like he described her lewdly or profanely; not at all -- just very memorably.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Did Pan Am serve MSY prior to the merger with National?

Pan Am flew from MSY to Central America for many years. I believe PA pulled out of MSY in 1974, in the aftermath of the first energy crisis.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 8):
He is, as far as I know, male. He's got an "Ask the Pilot" column out there somewhere about how he nearly killed himself in an attempt to impress a date on a flight out to Martha's Vineyard (or some such place.) Not that that's dispositive, of course, but his description of the young lady was memorable and didn't strike me as something a female would write. Re-reading that, I think I'm making it sound like he described her lewdly or profanely; not at all -- just very memorably.

His name is Patrick, so I'd tend to believe he's a male. He's also a poster on this forum...forget his name off the top of my head, but I've seen several of his posts here.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9):
I believe PA pulled out of MSY in 1974, in the aftermath of the first energy crisis.

And after the merger it was sort of an on again, off again affair.

Pan Am flew most of the former NA routes until 1983, when the big downsizing began. Then, they left the airport entirely in 1985...apparently they owed the airport a few hundred thousand dollars at that point. They came back in 1988 (and I made sure I wa at the airport for the inagural arrival...very exciting!) with a daily flight to SAT and JFK, and expanded service to MIA and AUS in 1989. By the time 1990 rolled around, they were doing the following:

MSY-CLT (continuing to JFK) 1x daily
MSY-DFW (2x daily)
MSY-MIA (2x daily)

And of course right before they went under, just MSY-MIA.

The airline has always held a special place in my heart, and everytime I see that logo it perks me up.

I will get into that office real soon and see what I can find. Not a question of if, but when.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 3514 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 3):
One of my few trips on PanAm (the original one) was near the end, when they had a better fare than WN from Dallas to MSY. I took them there and back for the weekend on a 727. Lovely, classy, wonderful, world-class short flight

You know, I remember that PA used to have $100 rountrip fares in that market. They always beat out WN, DL, and AA. Two flights a day, which originated in Miami. I begged and pleaded with my folks to take a flight to DFW for a day, but to no avail.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I will get into that office real soon and see what I can find. Not a question of if, but when.

.....and how.

Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call, you might find that getting in that office is way easier than you thought.....and probably a lot more legal.

Then again you would've known what else was discovered here yesterday  wink 
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l264/tmoore065/DSC02230.jpg?t=1175010199

Tom at MSY
(employee of the company that owns that room)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
.....and how.

Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call, you might find that getting in that office is way easier than you thought.....and probably a lot more legal.

How? I was going to ask you, of course.  

[Edited 2007-03-27 17:52:45]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
Of course, if you'd ever bother to return a phone call

Indeed

*slap*


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Well, nothing exciting to report, unfortunately.

My good friend Mr. Tom checked it out for me, and as it turns out, it's an old locksmith shop in the room...nothing "Pan Am" about it anymore except for the words on the door. Oh well...not every treasure chest contains gold. Bollocks!


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):
Indeed

I, at least, leave messages  wink  ...

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 16):
it's an old locksmith shop in the room

It does indeed pass for the old PanAm ops office.....it's split up into about three work areas, and there's a restroom in there.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 17):
I, at least, leave messages...

Pbbttth, please... you mortals should be happy for my very presence on your phone  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):
Pbbttth, please... you mortals should be happy for my very presence on your phone

Happy with getting constant calls while i'm busy doing Supervisory stuff? Ha...I think not.  Wink


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

...not my fault you can't walk and chew gum  Wink

User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Pan Am flew most of the former NA routes until 1983, when the big downsizing began. Then, they left the airport entirely in 1985

Don't forget the one they crashed in July 1982 due to windshear.....


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Thats so cool. I hope you remember this forever.

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 8):
He is, as far as I know, male.

Ahhhh. There is a female pilot that writes the "Ask the Pilot" column for, I think, USA Today. I think I have seen her post here as well. Sorry for the confusion. Obviously not a trademarked column name. Duh. (That's a "Duh" on me, not you.)


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Believe me Lucky42, we haven't forgotten.....and after having seen some of the local police department's more graphic crash photos, I don't think I ever will.

Btw, some of the lots that houses were on where the plane crashed have yet to be rebuilt...just empty lots.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
25 BNinMSY : How exciting to find something as simple as a sign on the door - I share your excitement! Back when PanAm left MSY the first time in the mid-80's I wa
26 Gr8SlvrFlt : Metro was split into two separate divisions: one codeshared with AA at DFW and the other codeshared with EA at IAH. Actually, I'm not sure they used t
27 Tom in NO : Depending on who we would have rented it out to post-Pan Am, and if it was a full-blown hangar on the AOA, or if it was part of an air cargo building
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