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Boarding A DL Flight "en Route"  
User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Dear Fellow Certified Aviation Enthusiasts (CAEs):

I am scheduled to fly to Jacksonville next month. My reservation is to fly DL flight 17 (flight originating from BOM; Boeing 772 Big grin) from JFK-ATL and then and then Flight 721 from ATL to JAX on a 757 (from PHL). I checked the status of the flight even though I have a few weeks before departure, and I am finding out that these flights are continuations from other cities.

Question: How does the boarding process work if the A/C is a continuation from another destination? Do PAX have to deboard before continuing on to the final destination, or will joining PAX be boarding an A/C will those people (e.g., flying BOM-ATL)?

Thank you for your time.

Cheers,
Jeremy Carlisle, CAE

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting Jycarlisle (Thread starter):
Question: How does the boarding process work if the A/C is a continuation from another destination? Do PAX have to deboard before continuing on to the final destination, or will joining PAX be boarding an A/C will those people (e.g., flying BOM-ATL)?

DL 17 will be empty at JFK because everyone has to clear immigration there. There may be some folks aboard DL 721 if there's no aircraft change (I can't remember how DL handles continuations), but likely not many since it's possible to fly PHL-JAX direct on Scareways.



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User currently offlineNickstyro From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Typically at any scheduled stop and continuation of the same tail, the Pax will be deplaned and re-board at a later time. This is mainly to give Ramp and Commissary crews time to service the aircraft without having to work around passengers.
I mean would you want to sit on a plane for 45min watching workers service the lav and stock the galley?


User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Don't know about DL, but on LH flight you will stay in the plane.


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User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Sometimes on domestic-only continuing flights they will let people stay aboard, if it's (scheduled to be) a very short turnaround. However, in my experience, I've several times been aboard planes that were scheduled to continue to other destinations, and everyone was asked to disembark anyway due to a different aircraft being swapped in for mechanical or rotational reasons.

In US ports, on flights continuing to international services, I think airlines are required to deplane passengers in order to conduct various required security checks before the plane can leave. And, clearly, on flights arriving into the country, everyone must deplane to go through customs as mentioned above.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting LH648 (Reply 3):
Don't know about DL, but on LH flight you will stay in the plane.

this could happen but most times not. The passenger mostly get their boarding pass as well as their transit boarding pass from the beginning of their journey. For example FRA-DXB-MCT pax get one BP for FRA-DXB, get off the plane in DXB and board it again with their 2nd BP for DXB-MCT.


User currently offlinePictues From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

At Air Canada i have been on a flight yul-yvr with a stop in yyz and we were not allowed off the plane if transiting to yvr which I was

User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Flying from TPE to PVG we stopped at HKG to avoid the problems associated with the relationship between Taiwan and China. We left the plane and reboarded an hour later.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
There may be some folks aboard DL 721 if there's no aircraft change (I can't remember how DL handles continuations), but likely not many since it's possible to fly PHL-JAX direct on Scareways.

DL flight 721 is direct if is originates in PHL stops in ATL and continues to JAX. Going by the flight aware history and the DL site today, this flight does not continue to JAX everyday. There are frequent substitutions on this flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL721/history

When I was at TZ, customers were allowed to stay on the aircraft during intermediate stops, direct or if the flight number changed. There were a few exceptions, mainly on HI flights, change of aircraft, delays, things of that nature. Some customers would get upset if they had to get off the plane on a direct flight. As for DL, I really do not know. The only same plane service I have done with DL was ATL-SNN with the stop in DUB. We didn't have to clear customs until SNN.

M


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Last week I flew Delta Seattle to Miami, stopping in Atlanta, my final destination. Passengers were given the option of deplaning in Atlanta, advised to take their boarding passes with them, or they could remain on the aircraft if they wished. It was a 45' layover. One guy wanted to change his seat, and was advised by the FA to deplane, and speak to the gate agent. He was an early "arrival" at the gate for the Atlanta-MIA run, and had no difficulty changing seats. Now when he reboarded, I cannot tell you; I wanted to get home. Hope this helps.


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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Another factor is the possibility of a crew or equipment swap. A continuing flight number does not guarantee that the crew or aircraft will remain the same. In fact, there is a pretty good chance that at least a crew swap will occur in ATL.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Flight 17 BOM-JFK-ATL, would probably be the same plane.

For flights (flight numbers) that originate internationally and continue domestically, all passengers regardless of citizenship and destination must clear custom and immigration formalities at their first point of entry into the US. There would be a crew change but not an aircraft. Chances are the gate will be the same too (unsure how DL does this in ATL). Customers from BOM-ATL would simply got back to the gate and re-board after clearing customs.

Fairly simple.

You would then just join pax re-boarding the flight to ATL. The flight will be empty when the boarding starts and would have been cleaned and catered at that point, too.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 8):
The only same plane service I have done with DL was ATL-SNN with the stop in DUB. We didn't have to clear customs until SNN.

For those customers boarding in DUB to ATL (with the stop in SNN), all customers must get off in SNN and the plane goes through a security check (this includes carry-on). When we have our "wrap" flight (EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR), all customers do the same in SNN.

US regs require that all US bound flights go through a security check at the last point before going to the US. This case SNN for the DL flight (ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL)

As for domestic flights that continue, you can stay on the plane as long as cabin crew are onboard and should you get off, take your boarding pass for re-boarding purposes. If there is a crew change and pax stay on, the crew stays on till the next crew boards (if there is a crew change). If no crew change, minimum crew must remain as long as pax stay on till boarding for the continuation.

Also, if there is a crew change and the next crew is not there (for whatever reason - delay due to their inbound flight) and the crew that borught you there needs to go (to their next flight), then you will have to deplane. In that case, you would board, in ATL, an empty plane.

For you to board a continuation flight domestically, chances are they may be people on from the origination, as well as the crew.

Hope this helps.



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
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Quoting Drewwright (Reply 10):
Another factor is the possibility of a crew or equipment swap. A continuing flight number does not guarantee that the crew or aircraft will remain the same. In fact, there is a pretty good chance that at least a crew swap will occur in ATL.

In almost all instances with DL, at least, the cabin crew changes at the hubs. Often, they have a connection to make as well. And they cannot leave pax unattended aboard the aircraft. That leads to some interesting predicaments, since one of the theoretical perogatives of a passenger on a through flight is to remain onboard through the stop.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6573 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 4):
Sometimes on domestic-only continuing flights they will let people stay aboard, if it's (scheduled to be) a very short turnaround.

On my last Delta flight to ATL (the flight was scheduled to operate BOS-ATL-STL), we were running late, and passengers who were continuing on to STL were asked to remain on board (though I was not). Typically, if there is not an equipment change, an announcement is made to the effect of "if you would like to deplane here in Atlanta, please take your boarding card with you and re-board when local boarding is announced." I have been on flights which have operated with an equipment change, in which case they make the appropriate announcement and direct passengers to the gate for the continuing flight.


User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

As it is said already, it depends on the airline and the place where you are flying to.

My experience with this is with LT. There where times, when the DUS-AGP and the DUS-ALC flight where not full enough to justify two seperate flights.

So LT flow the route DUS-AGP-ALC-DUS with an A330 and sometimes just with an A320.

In AGP you could stay on the plane and wait for passengers who were going to DUS. After this we made the 50 minutes to ALC and everybody deplaned. The passengers to DUS when to the security area and the passengers, getting of in ALC went to the belt.
So In ALC the plane was cleaned. It was allways anoying for me to fly nearly 5 hours to ALC instead of 2.5 hours. But I also understand the economics in this, so it wasn't that bad a all, just little long.

People want to travel fast and non-stop, but during times of low yield airliners should do things like this in order to stay profitable.

I often have to fly DUS/CGN-BUD. At the beginning I allways flew AB, because I had their SILVER CARD, where I could bring 30 kg and the best was that you could change flight dates up to 24 hours before departure for free. You just had to pay the difference in the ticketprice.
But Since AB is doing the DUS-NUE-BUD, I allways fly 4U from CGN. It's just faster.

Best Regards. Tom



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 11):
For those customers boarding in DUB to ATL (with the stop in SNN), all customers must get off in SNN and the plane goes through a security check (this includes carry-on). When we have our "wrap" flight (EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR), all customers do the same in SNN.

US regs require that all US bound flights go through a security check at the last point before going to the US. This case SNN for the DL flight (ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL)

I flew EI, SNN-DUB-ORD and we did not get off the plane in DUB. That was 03/16/2004, unless regulations have changed or they do not apply to foreign carriers?

M


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

UA835 operates LGA - ORD - PVG and is announced as "New York La Guardia to Shanghai, via Chicago O'Hare"

I took the first leg, it was on a 757, and we all got off at ORD for an equipment and crew change.

The first leg is trackable [flightaware] by UA835K.

It's pretty much always delayed..


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15):
I flew EI, SNN-DUB-ORD and we did not get off the plane in DUB. That was 03/16/2004, unless regulations have changed or they do not apply to foreign carriers?

I don't think getting folks of the plane is required for the security check. Did they go through and match luggage in the overheads to the people still on board, for example?

I flew DL ATL-DUB-SNN and they would not let us off the plane in DUB because the DUB-SNN leg is operated as a domestic flight (that is, the DUB people getting on for DUB-SNN-ATL did their US customs clearance in SNN, not DUB), and instead they did their cleaning, security check, etc, around us.

Steve


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15):
unless regulations have changed or they do not apply to foreign carriers?

They apply to US carriers, for certain.



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Quoting Nickstyro (Reply 2):
Typically at any scheduled stop and continuation of the same tail, the Pax will be deplaned and re-board at a later time. This is mainly to give Ramp and Commissary crews time to service the aircraft without having to work around passengers.
I mean would you want to sit on a plane for 45min watching workers service the lav and stock the galley?

Not always true - we flew SIN-ZRH-MAN on SQ, on landing at ZRH we weren't allowed to leave the aircraft. The cleaners were cleaning around us as we sat for over an hour on the ground in Zurich.


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