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AC//The Lure Of The B777  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Delivery of the new baby is less than a week away, with service implementation on April 7/2007. Not saying this is the case, but if for example the lowest available fare YYZ-LHR was slightly higher than BA, would you go out of your way just to fly the newest addition to the fleet, and if so, by how much??

It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer.


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User currently offlineCAN2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

Anybody trying it out on YYZ-YUL ?

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

I'm planning to, but see my thread "A-Netters on first AC 777 Revenue Flight?" for schedule details. First flight is April 5th.

John.

[Edited 2007-03-27 20:41:06]

User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer

I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 2):
I'm planning to, but see my thread "A-Netters on first AC 777 Revenue Flight?" for schedule details. First flight is April 5th.

Although subject to change (could be sooner, could be later), the first scheduled revenue flight is AC856 YYZ/LHR on April 7, 2007.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quote:
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer.



Quote:
I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.

I don't - the average consumer can't tell the difference between one airplane and the next. But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely different airline.

As for me, I have flown San Diego to Chicago many times - but never non-stop. I switch in DEN to fly a 777 (or once a 747-400!!). When asked why at the ticket counter I'm not taking the non-stop, I tell the agent about my plans and desire to fly the big boys. Usually the response is, "oh, that's cool!! I love the XXX as well!". Everyone else behind me thinks I'm crazy...but as long as I'm not holding up the line, I don't care.

So, would I pay extra? Heck yeah!! I'd be there!!  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Are we all sure about the dates, etc?

The first revenue flight, IF I'm understanding correctly, is the flight from YUL - LHr on The 7'th.

Then it will fly from LHR - YYZ on the 8th, and then YYZ-YUL and back later that day on the 8th...?

I'm not planning to go ON the 8th, as I'm a little leary to book travel on something that is not exact and not guaranteed!

I might try when they get the second one, though.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

What are you guys hearing about routes on the 5th? I heard some rapidairs between YUL and YYZ followed by LHR out of YYZ on the 6th.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely different airline.

That has typically become the North American norm. Customers in Asia & the Middle East, are more likely to pay extra largely based on an airlines quality & reputation--SQ/CX/EY/EK, etc.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):
Are we all sure about the dates, etc?

Planned rotation for fin 731:

AC856 YYZ/LHR 07April
AC869 LHR/YYZ 08April
AC412 YYZ/YUL 08April
AC417 YUL/YYZ 08April & back to London on 856

If pre-service modifications are done ahead of time, the aircraft may be cycled through a couple of YUL/YYZ Rapidair flights ahead of the launch date.

[Edited 2007-03-27 21:08:26]


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 3):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer

I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.

I don't, the average consumer (meaning people having to pay for a ticket out of their own pocket) price takes precedence over schedule. However, if another flight costs only a bit more, say less then $100, and has a more attractive schedule, the average consumer may opt for that flight.

I am not the type who would bend over backwards just to fly on one of the first flights of a new aircraft with the airline. If I have the time and the money and the aircraft is going to a destination that I would be interested in, then yes, otherwise no. It's not that I wouldn't want to, but I know once the aircraft enters regular serivce I'll get a chance to try it out within the first year or so.

[Edited 2007-03-27 21:13:03]


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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
for example the lowest available fare YYZ-LHR was slightly higher than BA, would you go out of your way just to fly the newest addition to the fleet, and if so, by how much??

Yes it would lure me away as AC's product is as good or sometimes even better that the competitor.
I'm sure that their ticket price will be similar or lower and I bet it will lure some pax from the competition.


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
I don't, the average consumer (meaning people having to pay for a ticket out of their own pocket) price takes precedence over schedule. However, if another flight costs only a bit more, say less then $100, and has a more attractive schedule, the average consumer may opt for that flight.

Didn't you just agree with me? Also, the average consumer usually does not have much say over their schedule as they cannot take vacation whenever they want. That is why i contend price and schedule are linked and they both determine the ticket you buy, not just price alone. That is way to simplistic



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 12):
Didn't you just agree with me? Also, the average consumer usually does not have much say over their schedule as they cannot take vacation whenever they want. That is why i contend price and schedule are linked and they both determine the ticket you buy, not just price alone. That is way to simplistic

No I didn't agree with you, price will usually take precedence over schedule for the average consumer. If a passenger can fly from JFK-LHR for $100 less with airline A but gets into LHR 5 hours later then with airline B, most average consumers will book the cheaper flight and adjust their schedule accordingly.

However, as I said, if two tickets are within a certain price of each other, the average consumer may be willing to pay a bit more for a better schedule, especially if the person has further connections, but the price is still the first criteria.

FR is a good example of this, most people are willing to fly on flights that are more difficult to accomodate on their schedules in order to pay €10 for a flight as opposed to €50.



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
and adjust their schedule accordingly

When can most ordinary people adjust their schedule? Most people must schedule vacation time months in advance, and must make arrangements for their absense. Schedule is more of a factor than most people here seem to think IMO.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
When can most ordinary people adjust their schedule? Most people must schedule vacation time months in advance, and must make arrangements for their absense. Schedule is more of a factor than most people here seem to think IMO.

Most ordinary people can easily adjust their schedule (to a degree) to accomodate their holidays or travel arrangements. If they need to re-schedule by a day or two, most people can do that and do it.

The only reason why most people schedule vacation time well in advance is to get time off that they would like to have before anyone else grabs it, however, this is usually done before they make any travel arrangements. Now, if they book a flight or trip before they book time off at work, they will most certainly try to get the cheapest deal they can regardless of the time.

Anyway, speaking of work, guess where I'm off to .....  Wink



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 11):
Yes it would lure me away as AC's product is as good or sometimes even better that the competitor.
I'm sure that their ticket price will be similar or lower and I bet it will lure some pax from the competition.

And, AC doesn't use Rolls-Royce Engines  duck 



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

I hope AC 777-300's are worth it...

Im flying to Vancouver on the 21st April and instead of choosing AC direct A330-300 from London, I chose to fly via Toronto because of the 777! I am almost adding 5hrs on to the travelling time and got to leave really early for the airport as the direct flight was far nicer timings!

21st April 2007
0830 LHR---> 1105 YYZ
AC869 777-300

1300 YYZ---> 1500 YVR
AC169 A321

3rd May 2007
1235 SFO---> 2025 YYZ
AC756 767-200

2255 YYZ---> 1110 LHR
AC858 777-300

If no one else beats me to it, I will gladly add a trip report!


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16):
And, AC doesn't use Rolls-Royce Engines

AC uses rolls royce engines on A340-500 and A330-300


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 18):
AC uses rolls royce engines on A340-500 and A330-300

BOE773 is very anti-Rolls Royce, and the post was a joke  silly 



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3056 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 17):
If no one else beats me to it, I will gladly add a trip report!

April 8th:


AC412

Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
13:00 - Terminal 1

Montreal, Trudeau (YUL)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
14:10
0 1hr10 77W
AC419

Montreal, Trudeau (YUL)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
16:00

Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
17:18 - Terminal 1
0 1hr18 E75

but dont let that keep you from posting a trip report! (plus you never know, i might get EQPSWP on the 77W sooooo....)



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4634 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That has typically become the North American norm. Customers in Asia & the Middle East, are more likely to pay extra largely based on an airlines quality & reputation--SQ/CX/EY/EK, etc.

Yep, the "Wal-Martisization" of North America. Look how the standards are falling too... It's like this continent is going backwards.

Kris



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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19):
BOE773 is very anti-Rolls Royce, and the post was a joke

Where did you ever get that idea, KELPkid.
I just tease a lot, so don't take me too seriously wink 
RR build a darn fine pony.


User currently offlineCFTOA From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting CAN2YYZ (Reply 1):
Anybody trying it out on YYZ-YUL ?

I am very tempted to buy a ticket for the 7th.. ACA412 is supposedly operated by the "77W" as AC has called it.. The return flight for me would be ACA417, on the same ship   The price really isn't that bad.. It's really tempting, but I only work part time and can just afford it LOL what do you guys think? worth it or not? Thanks.
just for the record, how many of you guys are going? I would be bored all on my own, and doubt I would go then.

Cheers.

[Edited 2007-03-28 03:46:12]

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):

The first revenue flight, IF I'm understanding correctly, is the flight from YUL - LHR on the 7th.[/quote]
No you're not The flight to LHR on the 7th is AC856 from YYZ

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):
Then it will fly from LHR - YYZ on the 8th, and then YYZ-YUL and back later that day on the 8th...?

That part seems to be correct, but there are 3 YYZ-YUL-YYZ roundtrips on April 5 (406, 411, 414,419, 422, 427). 1.5 round trips on he 6th (409, 412, 417), and 1 on April 7th. (412, 417). These 2 are on the 8th also. I you want the times check www.aircanada.ca.
Those YYZ-YUL-YYZ trips are shown on the AC website as of 9:30 this evening.

John


25 FLYACYYZ : A further change throughout the afternoon...it appears that the first 856 YYZ-LHR has been moved up to the 6th from the 7th. Given the pre-service mod
26 FLYACYYZ : No you're not The flight to LHR on the 7th is AC856 from YYZ[/quote] YUL > International is not even on the radar for at least the first 4 deliveries
27 Olympus69 : I messed up the first quote but the edit I tried was not allowed, even though it was only 19 second after I had posted it. The quote should be the fir
28 Timeair : AC856 YYZ 1810 LHR 0625+1 Ops with 77W on 6TH APRIL !!! BUT....... 1st REVENUE flt ops with the 77W is AC406 YYZ-YUL 05APR YYZ 1000 YUL 1113...as -OLY
29 Accargo : I think a lot of people are being overly optimistic about an acft that hasn't even arrived yet. There are so many things that can happen once it gets
30 CayMan : I agree with ACCARGO, there are so many things that can and probably will happen to alter schedules. I genuinely hope that all of the people who have
31 Post contains links YooYoo : Here's an arcticle from the Toronto Sun. http://www.torontosun.com/Money/2007/03/28/3852893-sun.html Nothing new, just wanted to share
32 Drgmobile : I don't - the average consumer can't tell the difference between one airplane and the next. But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely differe
33 BOE773 : BA will probably drop their ticket costs for a while for fear of losing pax to a superior product.
34 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : You're referring to the seasonal Air Transat service to LHR, of course.... Shamu
35 Kearney : Yeah! April 11th im doing the turn on it! I wonder if they will make me get off the plane before the flight back! lol
36 BOE773 : Man I'd walk on water across the pond before I'd ride in one of those AT sardine cans. That is cruelty to humans in those dinky seats with knees in t
37 FLYACYYZ : I don't think BA is shaking in their boots. They still provide a formidable product and competition.
38 Post contains images Olympus69 : You're right of course, but it makes it difficult to know what to do if one just wants to take the first flight to YUL and/or back. I guess the best
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