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User currently offlineBBD From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

QF has just announced that, effective 14th August, it will be increasing its SYD-LAX-NYC 744 service from five times per week to a daily service.

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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Wow Great news. Wonder whats driving the extra capacity? Cargo or pax?

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
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Quoting Planetime (Reply 1):
Wow Great news. Wonder whats driving the extra capacity? Cargo or pax?

from what I have read ( which could , of course , be completely wrong ! ) this sector has always been cargo rather than pax driven



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User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 1):
Wow Great news. Wonder whats driving the extra capacity? Cargo or pax?

Based on the press release at
http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn...details?ArticleID=2007/mar07/Q3557

it appears to be not so much passengers or capacity, but rather an interest in providing a full enough suite of flights that business travelers feel they have sufficient flexibility to get back when they want. So really, it's strictly a frequency play, of sorts.


User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

QF also runs into a bit trouble on the LAX-JFK-LAX flights with crewing concerns. Particularly in the northern winter months, when the flights are delayed, anything more than a short delay can put the crew out of hours (as they do the return out of LAX). There has been talk of bringing back JFK layovers for crew to avoid this; a daily flight would allow for all crew slips to be one night; whereas at the moment, some crews would have two night stops there, which of course is not overly cost effective.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 3):
So really, it's strictly a frequency play, of sorts.

Plus of course people travelling on the East Coast of the US can pick up their Qantas International Jet in New York rather than having to fly on AA to either LAX or SFO. An hour from Boston or Washington to New York would probably be preferable to 4 odd hours to LA if you're flying in Business or First Class. It's also probably a mix of QF needing to have its own presence in New York city to further build the East Coast market along with frequency.

Mind you, there was an article a while ago about the G'day LA campaign and about how it was extended to New York this year. The article said that the weeks afterwards had the heaviest bookings Qantas had ever experienced from Americans to travel to Australia. So QF probably recognises that if they put the hours in to market to Americans in New York that it will pay dividends for them. As the old addage goes, "build the route and the passengers will come."


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Can passengers travelling JFK-LAX connect with other QF flights (ie: MEL, BNE, AKL)? I know the local flights aren't possible.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Cheers

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 6):
Can passengers travelling JFK-LAX connect with other QF flights (ie: MEL, BNE, AKL)? I know the local flights aren't possible.

MEL, BNE...yes

AKL...No


User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Great that QF's increasing it's presence on the East coast.

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 8):

Hey Mikey! Is your e-mail working at the moment? Tried sending you one a couple of days ago..
Anywho talk to you soon!

Johann



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5):

Plus of course people travelling on the East Coast of the US can pick up their Qantas International Jet in New York rather than having to fly on AA to either LAX or SFO. An hour from Boston or Washington to New York would probably be preferable to 4 odd hours to LA if you're flying in Business or First Class. It's also probably a mix of QF needing to have its own presence in New York city to further build the East Coast market along with frequency.

so are they allowed to sell tickets and carry pax for LAX-JFK? I didn't know that!


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5):
An hour from Boston or Washington to New York would probably be preferable to 4 odd hours to LA if you're flying in Business or First Class. It's also probably a mix of QF needing to have its own presence in New York city to further build the East Coast market along with frequency.

Definitely seems to building the frequency factor. BOS-LAX is about 6hours flight and WASHingotn-LAX is 5hours. So for the business traveller it is better choice to connect thru JFK.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):
so are they allowed to sell tickets and carry pax for LAX-JFK? I didn't know that!

Not local pax. Only the ones from OZ or who or going to OZ connecting in LAX.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 5):
The article said that the weeks afterwards had the heaviest bookings Qantas had ever experienced from Americans to travel to Australia. So QF probably recognises that if they put the hours in to market to Americans in New York that it will pay dividends for them. As the old addage goes, "build the route and the passengers will come."

Also NY is a important tourist destination for OZ's. You find heaps there during the frigid months of NY. Although not as much as Cali or Las Vegas for sure.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
this sector has always been cargo rather than pax driven

Well now it seems like Business PAX are driving this latest move.


User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 10):
Definitely seems to building the frequency factor. BOS-LAX is about 6hours flight and WASHingotn-LAX is 5hours. So for the business traveller it is better choice to connect thru JFK.

Plus, for DC pax, the one-plane-change route to SYD can be done from DCA. Without QF at JFK, one needs to go to IAD to get a flight to LAX


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

Qantas Cabin Crew are not about to " over night" again in NYC. We are able to operate up to 17hrs tour of duty then with a unanimous vote continue to 20hrs. Tech Crew however are not able to operate a "double" sector" as a planned tour of duty. QF has been allocating many cabin crew postions on the LAX - JFK shuttle as we call it , too AKL based crews as they do not recieve overtime payments or duty hour credits. QF stated some time ago that unless Australian based cabin crew agree to operate the LAX - JFK sectors as a return duty then they would allocate the patterns to overseas based crews, namely AKL. I miss NYC, great place, i can only hope that in the future if and when its a non-stop then we get to stay there again. As a day trip from LA i love flying over Manhatten out over the Atlantic for the turn over Rockaway Beach into JFK. Its Amazing.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Hi Miami1...

Just a correction...there is only 3 AKL based crew on JFk shuttles, so i dont know where you are getting your info re: many cabin crew positions to AKL based crew.

Cheers


User currently offlineEYFlyer88 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 1):
Cargo or pax?

Its 150% cargo. I deal with Qantas as I am a freight forwarder on a weekly basis. For smaller shipments less than 1000LBS, they usually move it on the QF108, but if its larger then they always got the QF7554/7556/7558 freighter service.



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 12):
Qantas Cabin Crew are not about to " over night" again in NYC. We are able to operate up to 17hrs tour of duty then with a unanimous vote continue to 20hrs. Tech Crew however are not able to operate a "double" sector" as a planned tour of duty. QF has been allocating many cabin crew postions on the LAX - JFK shuttle as we call it , too AKL based crews as they do not recieve overtime payments or duty hour credits. QF stated some time ago that unless Australian based cabin crew agree to operate the LAX - JFK sectors as a return duty then they would allocate the patterns to overseas based crews, namely AKL.

Has there been any talk of opening a US inflight base at LAX just for the sole purpose of operating the LAX-JFK r/t flights? That way, no hotel costs for QF on either end...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
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Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 7):
AKL...No

Why not? So I can't book AKL-JFK on QF without having to connect to TN or AA? That's so pathetic.


User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
Why not? So I can't book AKL-JFK on QF without having to connect to TN or AA? That's so pathetic.

Timing--the AKL flight departs LAX before the JFK flight arrives there. I suppose you might be able to ask QF to book you on the 108 JFK-LAX, overnight in LA and take the AKL flight the next day, if you really wanted to. (I'm not 100% sure that an LA stopover is allowed, but I think they'll do it.)

Of course, since the 108 from JFK is very often delayed due to taxi delays in JFK or other issues, the MEL and BNE flights sometimes also depart before the 108 arrives, in which case passengers stay on the 108 to SYD and take domestic connections in Australia. Or, if there are enough passengers connecting to the LAX-BNE/LAX-MEL flights, the other flights will be held waiting for passengers from New York, which really kind of sucks for the other few hundred passengers on those planes.

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 15):
Has there been any talk of opening a US inflight base at LAX just for the sole purpose of operating the LAX-JFK r/t flights? That way, no hotel costs for QF on either end...

There's probably something to this, but what kind of QF experience would it be if you get on board the plane in New York, settling in and excited about your Australian vacation/business trip, and the flight attendants are all Americans?


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

HI Airnewzealand

The FAAA informed us that unless "we" that is , australian based cabin crew, agree to do the JFK shuttle as a day trip and have no slip in NYC then those flights would be given to over seas based crews IE: Akl. There is no provision in our EBA to say that an entire overseas based crew cannot operate a flight sector. Qantas Management argue that the JFK operation does not make a profit, maybe thats true, i dont know, it wouldnt surprise me with the massive amount of delay problems the flights incur ex JFK. The FAAA issued a vote ballot to all long haul cabin crew so that we would have the vote to say yes or no for the FAAA to negotiate dispensation for us to operate the LAX JFK shuttle. As Our current operating patterns stand now for this current roster i dont see any AKL based crew operating on the shuttles with Sydney crews, maybe they do it with Melbourne or Brisbane based crews who do the shuttles from time to time. I am one this roster and its a full sydney crew compliment. I just operated to Perth and we had six kiwi crew onboard the 743.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 17):
(I'm not 100% sure that an LA stopover is allowed, but I think they'll do it.)

If you are originating from AKL rather than JFK, then yes, the JFK-LAX can be used as a "domestic" leg in your trip, with a stopover in LAX and it's not considering Cabotage. At least that's how I understand it.



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 17):
There's probably something to this, but what kind of QF experience would it be if you get on board the plane in New York, settling in and excited about your Australian vacation/business trip, and the flight attendants are all Americans?

...the same kind of experience it would be having a Kiwi or UK-based crew onboard.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
Why not? So I can't book AKL-JFK on QF without having to connect to TN or AA? That's so pathetic.

AKL did have a second LAX flight for a while in 2003/04 which was operated and advertised as a connecting flight to JFK, this was withdrawn due to an aircraft shortage.

Because the AKL flight continues to MEL it doesn't work out to have the flight depart later ex LAX and earlier ex MEL-AKL since this is a 2 class 744 and all other 744's for QF ex MEL are 3 class.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4831 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 18):
HI Airnewzealand

The FAAA informed us that unless "we" that is , australian based cabin crew, agree to do the JFK shuttle as a day trip and have no slip in NYC then those flights would be given to over seas based crews IE: Akl. There is no provision in our EBA to say that an entire overseas based crew cannot operate a flight sector. Qantas Management argue that the JFK operation does not make a profit, maybe thats true, i dont know, it wouldnt surprise me with the massive amount of delay problems the flights incur ex JFK. The FAAA issued a vote ballot to all long haul cabin crew so that we would have the vote to say yes or no for the FAAA to negotiate dispensation for us to operate the LAX JFK shuttle. As Our current operating patterns stand now for this current roster i dont see any AKL based crew operating on the shuttles with Sydney crews, maybe they do it with Melbourne or Brisbane based crews who do the shuttles from time to time. I am one this roster and its a full sydney crew compliment. I just operated to Perth and we had six kiwi crew onboard the 743.

cept of course that the AKL base does not have any CSMs or CSSs....

The fact is that its just not cost effective enough for QF to have slips in NY except possibly in winter due to delays and snow etc. Maybe something has changed, but I don't recall crews being asked if they would agree to do JFK as a shuttle... QF just did it so far as I am aware. What crews do have a vote on of course is in delay situations with hours... AKL crew don't get to vote on that so you do get more say/rights.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 22):
Maybe something has changed, but I don't recall crews being asked if they would agree to do JFK as a shuttle... QF just did it so far as I am aware.

Yes, there was a ballot of FAAA members, which occurred before you joined QF.



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User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Hey Miami1...

Hope all is well with you.

Yes, in reagrds to the ballot, i was flying then (not a nice time may i add) and remember the talk out online.
What i was referring to was this roster. I assumed (wrong of me) you were alerting to this roster, when as you have stated, we only operate with BNE crew JFK shuttles with a complement of 3 AKL based crew.
In regards to PER...we crew nearly the entire aircraft ex MEL...

Take care of yourself

Cheers


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