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LH To Order/confirm More A380's?  
User currently offlineEGNRA380 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

Have just been browsing the airbus route proving mini site and it is states that "halfway through the route proving lufthansa announces it is buying more a380's."

Haven't seen reference to this anywhere else - and dont know if this is their options/new aircraft.

Anybody got any further info?

exact wording is "intends to order more A380's"

(On the second flight page - post it note info)

[Edited 2007-03-27 07:52:38]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

On today's ATW Online:

According to a source close to the airline, LH has up to 18 A380 destinations on the radar and plans to select initial gateways one year before putting the aircraft into service.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8356

Wow! How many frames would they need to serve 18 destinations? I guess it would depend on frequency but I assume that routes suitable for an A380 wouldn't only have one service a week.

This would certainly point to further LH orders for the A380.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

I believe it's not a question of 'will they order more?' but 'when will they order more?'.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8356

According to an article in atwonline LH has upto 18 A380 destinations on the radar. If they'd go ahead with all 18 of them on a daily basis with the majority of the roundtrips taking longer then 24 hours ( ie. NRT, HKG, SIN, BKK, PEK, PVG, CPT, JNB, LAX, SFO,...) they'll need a lot more then the initial order for 15.


from the article,

According to a source close to the airline, LH has up to 18 A380 destinations on the radar and plans to select initial gateways one year before putting the aircraft into service. Johannesburg and Cape Town are among cities under consideration.


edited: I see that PM was quicker with posting the link.  cheers 

[Edited 2007-03-27 08:09:06]


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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

didn't they confirm their options??
if they ordered how many should we expect, my $$ less than 8 frames


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
didn't they confirm their options??

Not yet. I believe they have 10 options but I'm prepared to be corrected.

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
edited: I see that PM was quicker with posting the link. cheers

Only just!  Wink


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

I bet they will announce an order for additional A380 together with their decision on 787/A350s.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

Quoting ATW Online (Reply 1):
LH has up to 18 A380 destinations on the radar

The obvious meaning is that 18 LH destinations are being evaluated as to whether the 747-8 or the WhaleJet makes the most business sense.

With 15 WhaleJets plus 20 747-8s replacing 30 747-400s, it is not at all clear that LH will be exercising options for either anytime soon. I believe the 747-8 order probably forclosed the exercise of WhaleJet options and the 747-8 options were taken only as a contingency in case Airbus fail completely to deliver the WhaleJets. Time will tell.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

I suppose they will definitately order more A380 after the successfull route proving flights.

by the way which are the A380 destinations?

I could think of:

1. JFK
2. LAX
3. IAD
4. HKG
5. ICN
6. NRT
7. ICN
8. MIA
9. SFO
10. DXB
11. BKK
12. PVG
13. BOM
14. DEL
15.
16.
17.
18.

which else?


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
I believe the 747-8 order probably forclosed the exercise of WhaleJet options and the 747-8 options were taken only as a contingency in case Airbus fail completely to deliver the WhaleJets. Time will tell.

Last week´s comments from Mr. Mayrhuber clearly point towards a follow-on order from LH for the A380 and indicate that the B747-800 order for 20 firm is likely not to remain at 20 in the long-term. BTW, what is the "WhaleJet"?? Never heard that one before. Are you refering to the A380?



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):
what is the "WhaleJet"??

WhaleJet stands for A380 like Jumbo for B747 or Jumbolino for BAe146


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Not yet. I believe they have 10 options but I'm prepared to be corrected.

This is correct 15 orders + 10 options, unless these have been confirmed but not adressed publically.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
With 15 WhaleJets plus 20 747-8s replacing 30 747-400s

They will probably do much expansion as well, so I can see them converting all their options into orders.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 7):
which else?

SIN, PEK, CPT, Johannesburg (is it JHB?)

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 7):
5. ICN
6. NRT
7. ICN

you mentioned ICN twich, did you mean PEK (same region)?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
Johannesburg (is it JHB?)

JNB

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):

you mentioned ICN twich, did you mean PEK (same region)?

No I did mean ICN (Seoul). This flights are 365 days a year full and the airport is A380 ready soon (KE also ordered some A380s)


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
JNB

Thanks, I always get that wrong....  indifferent 

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
No I did mean ICN (Seoul).

No, u put it down twice, did u mean ICN and PEK? - well enough about that.

If LH does confirm the A380's that are on option, then they will not confirm all of the 20 748 options. And vice versa.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12):
No, u put it down twice, did u mean ICN and PEK? - well enough about that.

Oh, I'm sorry Big grin Now I know what I meant. It was KIX.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12):
If LH does confirm the A380's that are on option, then they will not confirm all of the 20 748 options. And vice versa

why not? Would be great to have a big fleet of longhaul aircrafts. Big grin


User currently offlineTom_eddf From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
WhaleJet stands for A380 like Jumbo for B747 or Jumbolino for BAe146

... but the term "WhaleJet" is only used by a select number of people on select forums on the internet. Media and most people I know commonly refer to the A380 as the "superjumbo".

Cheers
T


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting Tom_eddf (Reply 14):
... but the term "WhaleJet" is only used by a select number of people on select forums on the internet. Media and most people I know commonly refer to the A380 as the "superjumbo".

the time will show which term we'll use for the A380 Big grin The plane is still in its infancy  Wink


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Lufthansa is currently the forth largest A380 customer with 15 frames on orders. Previously they were the second largest customer, but have since been over taken by Qantas and Singapore Airlines.

1*)Emirates 43 + 2 (ILFC)
2*)Qantas 20
3*)Singapore Airlines 19
4*)Lufthansa 15
5*)Air France 10


I would be very surprised if Lufthansa won't at least exercise all it's options. I would also expect such move to happen in the near future.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Another question is what are they going to do with their current fleet of B747 or A343/6 ? Will they keep them and just increase the frequency on several routes or what?

I could imagine to see some B747's flying as LH Cargo in 2012-2015


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
Another question is what are they going to do with their current fleet of B747 or A343/6 ? Will they keep them and just increase the frequency on several routes or what?

I could imagine to see some B747's flying as LH Cargo in 2012-2015

I have always wondered if LH has the option of converting it's 20 firm and 20 options for the B748i into the freighter model?

Does anyone know if they is likely to happen?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 16):
Lufthansa is currently the forth largest A380 customer with 15 frames on orders. Previously they were the second largest customer, but have since been over taken by Qantas and Singapore Airlines.

They'd better do it soon or they'll be down to 5th (when BA orders 20 + 20!)


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
the time will show which term we'll use for the A380

No, superjumbo seems to be the adapted nickname
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=superjumbo+a380

Whalejet (?) is only used by some bitter a.net members that keep trying to spread the name
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=whalejet+a380


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 7):
1. JFK
2. LAX
3. IAD
4. HKG
5. ICN
6. NRT
7. ICN
8. MIA
9. SFO
10. DXB
11. BKK
12. PVG
13. BOM
14. DEL
15.
16.
17.
18.

silly me! how could I forgot ORD, one of the best destination of LH.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting EGNRA380 (Thread starter):
Have just been browsing the airbus route proving mini site and it is states that "halfway through the route proving lufthansa announces it is buying more a380's."

Whereabouts does it say that I'm struggling to find it


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

Sorry I've found it now - strange that more fuss hasn't been made of this

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):

Does anyone know if they is likely to happen?

Lufthansa Cargo is a separate company, which does not mean that they could eventually take over slots if required.

LHCargo is not making any investments at the moment as there is a silly night curfew attached to the new runway expansion at FRA. If that night curfew is actually imposed, the existance of LH Cargo in its present form is threatened.



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25 Flying-Tiger : Might be one argument of several. I rather guess that they are very reluctant to pay high(est) prices now on top of the cycle for new equipment, and
26 PanHAM : That's not the way a blue chip company is run. LCAG is in air cargo and not in gambling. Fact is that they have deferred all investments, including i
27 SAOAP : I heard MEX and GRU were being studied too... Maybe ORD. That would leave 1 gateway unacounted for.
28 Scouseflyer : Agreed the 748F seems to be the right lane and the right time and the right price.
29 Post contains images PM : I assume it's the FRA-TXL shuttle to replace - at last - the A300s!
30 Columba : Lufthansa has always pointed out that their biggest rivals are the Gulf carriers such as EK and that they can only grow on long haul routes. EK will
31 Post contains images Columba : but I doubt a that there still will be a FRA-TXL shuttle in 4 years. FRA-BER on the other hand will likely see at least one A330 per day together wit
32 PanHAM : 'Ya never know in Berlin. May be BBI turns into a pink elephant? Whatevere, I challenge the 2011 opening date for BBI. As to the potential 380 destin
33 Post contains images GBan : " target=_blank>http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=...+a380 Hey, the hit count is only 900.000 vs 2.000 and you are already drawing conclusions...
34 TommyBP251b : I guess CGN will be the winner in this case.
35 CXfirst : This is a huge increase in VLA, but it might happen. They can't really replace the A343/6 with 747 and A380's (maybe A346, but those are so new), so
36 PanHAM : with a 100% night curfew there will be no winners, only losers. The all important connectivity between freighter and passenger aircraft cannot be mai
37 Slz396 : Still remember the press conference where John Leahy said customers showed great satisfaction with the A380 by ordering more, and then specifically me
38 Airbazar : I would add ORD, MEX, GRU, JNB.
39 Scouseflyer : They'd have an even better show if Ek chose to buy 100 copies of the XWb too!
40 Asturias : Not really. The 380 is sometimes called Super-Jumbo in the general news, but the silly whale nickname is really only known to a.net nerds. It's just
41 Post contains images Flyorski : I also would not be surprised if EK orders the A350...... The only way boeing could blow this would be if they announced a 737/757 replacement, with
42 Zvezda : When was that? Do you know the date?
43 Keesje : the Airbus annual press conference on 17 January in Paris.
44 Zvezda : Thanks Keesje. That brackets when LH might have exercised WhaleJet options, if they have. If could not have been before 6 Dec 2006, when LH ordered th
45 Slz396 : Thank you; I couldn't find the date, but luckily there are always members with an eye for details like these. What theory? The one you came up with (
46 Zvezda : That is a very optimistic (to put it generously) paraphrase of what Mayrhuber actually said. All he said was that LH have placed follow-on orders to
47 Qazar : Strong candidates for the A380 on the LH network: 1. JFK 2. EWR 3. IAD 4. ORD 5. LAX 6. SFO 7. MIA 8. BOM 9. NRT 10. PVG 11. PEK 12. HKG 13. BKK 14. S
48 Jfk777 : Singapore and Shanghai are some the A380 will se in Lufthansa colors. Boston is also missing, Sao Paulo & J'berg are another pair missing.
49 GBan : Why do you assume that is a reference to Mayrhuber saying that LH have placed follow-on orders to prior models?
50 Post contains links GBan : Another LH comment from Süddeutsche Zeitung (German): http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/artikel/824/107717/ Nun, 60000 Flugkilometer und 65 Flugstu
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