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JQ Domestic To Acquire 9 More Airbus A320  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Apparently a big Jetstar Domestic announcement is due within weeks....

JQ said recently that is has finished focusing on International expansion and will focus on domestic expansion once again.

There's rumours floating around that they may open a new PER CC base (increase PER-AVV too) or acquire A321/A319/A318s for domestic expansion into places like BME. I have also heard that JQ is looking at acquiring some JetBlue A320s, although, knowing nothing about the airline, cannot say whether this could happen or not.

While there will be a Jetstar announcement within weeks, at this stage information is limited and I guess we can only speculate.

Anyone heard anything?

Rgds

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

What do they currently use for domestic operations - is it Airbii or 737s?

User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
What do they currently use for domestic operations - is it Airbii or 737s?

They use A320's, as QF mainline use 737's



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting Melpax (Reply 2):

They use A320's, as QF mainline use 737's

Thanks - that's interesting that one branch uses one type and the parent company uses a differant.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
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I can confirm this rumor. I've heard from a very reliable source that this could happen (more aircraft). I'm not going to go into much more detail right now, but if anyone else knows what I know then feel free

User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Why is QF trying to increase it's domestic low cost market? Is it to take more market share away from virgin blue?

I think it'd be great if they focused more on QF mainline



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
A318s

That would be fun to see, something to compete with DJ's upcoming embraers. However, I believe they will only keep to A320's, so fleet routing will be easier. If not, I hope they get some A321's as well for the more 'full' routes. JQ A318 through A321 would be cool.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Thanks - that's interesting that one branch uses one type and the parent company uses a differant.

This has already been discussed to death, but JQ use different equipment from QF (320's vs 737's) as JQ staff are employed under different conditions to those working for QF mainline, JQ has a different operating certificate from QF. In other words, this enables JQ staff to be paid at a lower rate.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
There's rumours floating around that they may open a new PER CC base (increase PER-AVV too) or acquire A321/A319/A318s for domestic expansion into places like BME.

hmm must be preparing for the TIGER onslaught


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 5):
Why is QF trying to increase it's domestic low cost market? Is it to take more market share away from virgin blue?

I think it'd be great if they focused more on QF mainline

Qantas isn't trying to increase its market share, JetStar is! The differance is real, JQ is a seperate company (the old Impulse body corporate) with its own board of directors. Yes it is 100% owned by the Qantas Group, the board of which sets the major policy points, of course, but normal business activities are quite seperate, it is the JQ board & company that is concentrating on the low cost domestic market NOT the QF board & company, which look after mainline.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 9):
Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 5):
Why is QF trying to increase it's domestic low cost market? Is it to take more market share away from virgin blue?

I think it'd be great if they focused more on QF mainline

Qantas isn't trying to increase its market share, JetStar is! The differance is real, JQ is a seperate company (the old Impulse body corporate) with its own board of directors. Yes it is 100% owned by the Qantas Group, the board of which sets the major policy points, of course, but normal business activities are quite seperate, it is the JQ board & company that is concentrating on the low cost domestic market NOT the QF board & company, which look after mainline.

Gemuser

Yeah I understand they're two different companies, but if QF didn't want JQ to expand, JQ wouldn't be expanding. That's all I'm saying. I was wondering why QF is promoting it's LCC growth



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User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Thanks - that's interesting that one branch uses one type and the parent company uses a differant.

This was done so that JetStar pilots get much lower wages than Qantas pilots.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Maybe QF will do a BA and basically be an international operation with all domestic slack being taken up by JQ?

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Maybe QF will do a BA and basically be an international operation with all domestic slack being taken up by JQ?

No QF still has a premium market on its domestic routes.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 10):
but if QF didn't want JQ to expand, JQ wouldn't be expanding. That's all I'm saying. I was wondering why QF is promoting it's LCC growth

I still think you miss the point. It is not that QF WANT JQ to expand, its that they don't stop them expanding. So JQ expanding takes no time and resources from mainline. Of couse, you are correct in saying that if QF did not want JQ to expand it wouldn't, and I belive it's not letting JQ expand as fast or in all the directions it wants to eg MEL.

Gemuser



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 5):
Why is QF trying to increase it's domestic low cost market? Is it to take more market share away from virgin blue?

I think it'd be great if they focused more on QF mainline

Tiger....

second half of the year is going to be a bloodbath in Australia.
excellent for consumers though.

JQ is trying to get up to 13 A320s. Good luck finding them boys.

Unless they have the aircraft, they will not be able to compete on new routes that Tiger opens.


User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Has there been an estimated time Tiger is set to launch in Aus??
Sorry I'm a bit behind in the business news



Spirit of Australia
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 16):
Has there been an estimated time Tiger is set to launch in Aus??

TR has indicated late 2007, but I think it would be as early as August...


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3301 times:

Don't JQ hold any more options on A320's

User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3185 times:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2007/mar07/3559

Qantas Group Boosts Domestic Fleet

Quote:
Qantas Airways said today it would acquire nine additional Airbus A320 aircraft for use by Jetstar.

The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the new aircraft would be deployed on domestic and short-haul international routes.

"The aircraft will be delivered over a 15-month timeframe from late 2007," he said.

Mr Dixon said Qantas would also boost capacity in the Qantas domestic operations.

"Four Boeing 767-300 aircraft from our international fleet that were due to be sold from mid-2007 will now be transferred to domestic operations.

"The additional capacity for both Jetstar and Qantas, along with previously announced plans for QantasLink, should enable the Qantas Group to maintain its 65 per cent share of the Australian domestic market."

Mr Dixon said the additional A320 aircraft would enable Jetstar to grow on some of its most popular leisure routes including Cairns, Gold Coast, Perth and the Northern Territory.

"Jetstar will also use the new aircraft to look at new destinations within Australia."


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 19):
"The aircraft will be delivered over a 15-month timeframe from late 2007," he said.

This seems to be a too short time to be newly ordered aircraft. Leasing perhaps?



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User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):
Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 10):
but if QF didn't want JQ to expand, JQ wouldn't be expanding. That's all I'm saying. I was wondering why QF is promoting it's LCC growth

I still think you miss the point. It is not that QF WANT JQ to expand, its that they don't stop them expanding. So JQ expanding takes no time and resources from mainline. Of couse, you are correct in saying that if QF did not want JQ to expand it wouldn't, and I belive it's not letting JQ expand as fast or in all the directions it wants to eg MEL.

Gemuser

No I don't think so. Doesn't that QF press release basically say that QF is in control there.. ?



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3144 times:

QF controls JQ totally in every way shape and form. Sure JQ may be free to make small day to day decisions, but anything as major as fleet increases and route changes will NO DOUBT be made in discussion with Dixon & Co (discussion meaning do as Geoffy says).

As other posters have stated JQ is a seperate structure mainly so pay rates can be reduced in comparison to QF mainline.



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User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 15):
JQ is trying to get up to 13 A320s. Good luck finding them boys.

Won't be so hard if they are A321s. Don't think the backlog on that line is anywhere near as long as the 319/320 line?


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 22):
QF controls JQ totally in every way shape and form

Actually, I think you will find the cabin crew do controls the airline, then QF, then JQ.

But regarding planes, well, the press release is on the QF website before the JQ one. Sure, isn't it a Qantas Group Airline.  Smile


25 QF175 : It's my understanding 6 A320s will come from JetBlue and 3 from Jetstar Asia (or the Turkish Airline the 3K A320s are on lease to). This would explai
26 Post contains images QF175 : Sorry, 6 of the A320s will come from ILFC and not JetBlue as mentioned (incorrectly) above! 6 - ILFE 3 - 3K (Jetstar Asia) [Edited 2007-03-30 11:50:38
27 MEA-707 : Basically the 318/319/320/321 are made on the same line, even while final assembly is split up between Hamburg and Toulouse. So basically the backlog
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