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NWA To Retire 747s?  
User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Well I just had my interview with Northwest Airlines to be a Flight Attendant and was hired.  Smile Smile The hiring manager and I were talking about aircraft and what not, he said the DC9s would probably be around for another 13 years lol Smile yay. And that as the 787s come on line, he said the 747s, both 742s and 744s would be retired. He said they are great aircraft, but are worn and tired. I was wondering if anyone else has heard this and if the 787 is a real replacement for the 747?

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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

When the 787 comes into NWAs fleet, its remaining 742s are 24-30 years old, and more than half of its 744 fleet is nearing its 20th birthday. For sure some will be retired or sold at around that time, but that does not mean that the 787 will replace the 747s. It just will happen at the same time. I expect an 747-8I order within the next 2 years.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

According to the latest fleet plan by NW, the 744's are not being retired. The 747-200's will be phased out of PAX service by end of September 2007, however, NW will still have 742's, just flying Cargo.


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7142 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
he said the DC9s would probably be around for another 13 years

They'll be around longer than that; they'll be used to ferry the snowballs from Hell.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
According to the latest fleet plan by NW, the 744's are not being retired.

I'm not sure about that...by 2011 I think either all 16 744s are being retired or 8 333 positions (reasonably sensible if you're getting a 787 a year later) are not being taken up and 8 744s (or other widebody, but what other widebody could you retire?) are being retired. The 742s are definitely being retired though.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

If and when NWA ever retires their 744's they'll need more uplift capacity for freight in the belly and passengers than the A330 / 787 can provide.

748i & 773ER come to mind...........



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

...and congrats with your new job  Smile


I love my Airport Job! :)
User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Quoting Bwest (Reply 6):
...and congrats with your new job

hehe thanks, I'm pretty excited. Getting of the Erjs, at Expressjet, and getting on a dc9 woot


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):

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Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
"he said the DC9s would probably be around for another 13 years"

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They'll be around longer than that; they'll be used to ferry the snowballs from Hell.

With winglets!!


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Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

First rule of thumb - don't believe that everything you hear from every employee is factual. Plus this industry changes so much, even whats true today may not be true next week. FA's & Pilots are the worst for spreading rumors, its in the job description, but regardless filter the information you hear with a healthy dose of skeptism.

While there may be some truth this person's statements, don't believe the timelines you hear. The "official" plan is as follows - based on actual fleet planning. Until an actual replacement is named, or substituted, its all hearsay. When I say forseeable future, we are talking in the next 3-5 years. Look where we were in 2000, you could't predict 5 years out even if you even tried.

742 (passenger) - removed of service in September 2007
742 (freight) - continue into forseeable future
DC9 - currently at ~115 frames, will be drawn down to 75 frames by 2008, that will continue on going forward until an additional replacement is named. They will not be around another 13 years. Up to 5 years, yes, beyond that anything is questionable
744 - continue into the forseeable future, 787 is not a direct full-out replacement. May reduce the need for as many frames at some point, but will not eliminate all 16. Still planning on 16 frames through 2010.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Hey, just slightly off topic but where are the 742's based and what routes do they fly now ? are they all in the far east or do some do some internal US runs ? do you get any at AMS / MEM ?

Joe


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7142 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8):
With winglets!!

Come to think of it, that picture does look like what Satan would fly.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 10):
Do you get any at AMS / MEM ?

Nowadays AMS only gets A330s. The summer season will introduce a few B752s.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
Still planning on 16 frames through 2010.

In this article...
http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1060988.html
...which very well could be wrong, it states that the NW "transoceanic" fleet will go from 61 today to 74 in 2011. Either they're including 753s now, and NW is retiring its 744s by 2011 or they're including 742 Freighters now but not in 2011, or they're retiring a portion of the 744s and not taking some A330s? It doesn't make sense. Of course the article could be totally wrong.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Congrats on the new job!

While I don't see 787 replacing 744 all together, the NW 744s are in ugly shape, esp. in Y. The seats are total crap, IFE is weak... so unless they want to refurb the fleet (my guess is they don't) then I just don't see what they are going to do besides order new aircraft.

Having 747s is a real issue of pride for NW, I think, as well. I'm not sure I can see them ending that.

Plus, with GEnx 787s in the fleet, the 747-8 makes good sense.

Plus, 777-300ER is in high demand... hard to get slots and good prices on those. 747-8i on the other hand could be a bit more of a bargain.

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8):
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):

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Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
"he said the DC9s would probably be around for another 13 years"

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They'll be around longer than that; they'll be used to ferry the snowballs from Hell.

With winglets!!


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That's not funny. It's a real fear here in MSP that they honestly may never go away. Everyone here remembers hearing that the DC-9s are going to be replaced forever, but it never happens.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

How many DC-9s does NWA still have? They constantly retire them one after the other since a few years, and at least 3 have been written off in ground accidents over the last 24 months. At this pace they won´t have any left in 11 years.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14):
Plus, with GEnx 787s in the fleet, the 747-8 makes good sense.

I believe that NWA ordered Rolls Royce engines for their 787's.


User currently offlineScouse From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8094 times:

according to MSP update blog for Minneapolis airport the NWA fleet will change between now and 2011 by retiring the remaining 3 747-200 passenger planes. They will remove from service 5 of the 13 747-200F that they have. They will convert 4 of the 16 747-400 passenger planes to freighters. There are 18 A 319's and 33 DC-9 going to be removed from service and only 6 more A330 to arrive. With the 18 B787 and 72 RJ's added they will have a total of 602 planes.

http://www.mspupdate.com/blog/index.php?itemid=137



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8040 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 10):
Hey, just slightly off topic but where are the 742's based and what routes do they fly now ? are they all in the far east or do some do some internal US runs ? do you get any at AMS / MEM ?

NRT-SPN and NRT-GUM. We never see them in the States.



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8028 times:

Quoting Scouse (Reply 17):
There are 18 A 319's and 33 DC-9 going to be removed from service and only 6 more A330 to arrive. With the 18 B787 and 72 RJ's added they will have a total of 602 planes.

So are the RJs replacing the 319s and DC9s?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
NRT-SPN and NRT-GUM. We never see them in the States.

Well, other than the fact that Guam is part of the United States.  Smile

Both of those routes will be going 333.

NS


User currently offlineScouse From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7983 times:

The Star Tribune newspaper obtained fleet plan information distributed to Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) union members last week. The majority of fleet reductions will come from Airbus A319s and McDonnell Douglas DC-9s. These reductions will be replaced by new regional jets set to be delivered over the next two years.
This is what the blog said about replacing the 319's and the DC9's



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7970 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
Well, other than the fact that Guam is part of the United States.

Indeed, however it is not a State.

...and you thought you had me  Wink



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7936 times:

Its not necessarily a direct replacement per say. The 36 CR9's & 36 EMB-175s replace some of the DC-9 capacity and some of the Avro capacity that was reduced last year, and to an extent, the A319's on the longer, thinner routes that are beyond the range of the CRJ's & DC-9's.

Thus NW will retiring ~30-35 DC-9's in the next two year, plus shedding some A319's. That A319 capacity in effect will be maintained by the remaining DC-9's, primarily the -50's which have a similar capacity without the high lease rate.


User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7917 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
Well I just had my interview with Northwest Airlines to be a Flight Attendant and was hired.

Congrats and the best of luck!!!!!!

Gus


25 Floridaflyboy : Hey man, a big old congratulations on the new job!!!! I hope it works out well for you. I sure hope the NW 744's don't go away soon, but if they do, I
26 Post contains images JAM747 : I believe you. An AA MD 80 captain once told me that AA MD80s were going to be replaced with Airbus. I was like ' yeah right'.
27 28L28L : I always see a NW 747-200 in HNL around mid day. Anyone know where that goes? A spare perhaps? My best wishes in your new job as well.
28 PSU.DTW.SCE : One of the NRT-HNL flights is a 742, the other is a 744. This summer NRT-HNL will go 744, 744, A330-300.
29 ElmoTheHobo : You clearly haven't flown in one. They aren't old in as much as they lack a compettive economy product. At least upgrade the cabins. Same goes for UA
30 Wjcandee : The NW cargo 742s largely run from CONUS (ORD, MSP, LAX, ILN) and HNL to ANC to Far East. Freight to/from Asian destinations gets exchanged among airc
31 Floridaflyboy : I haven't flown in them, but I have been in the cabin of one (my uncle flies the 744 at NW), and I agree they're terrible. I just mean from a spotter
32 Tpaewr : A CO captain told me when the 742s were retired that CO was looking at second hand (SR?) 743s to replace them, you hear all kinds of crazy things
33 N801NW : Could this be why MHT, usually an A319/320 city will be downgraded to 1x320, and 3x DC9-5 to DTW for the summer schedule? The Single 319 to MSP conti
34 GeorgiaAME : I dunno. I flew NW LAX to SIN via NRT about 3 years ago, and I know, 3 years of constant wear and tear will do a job on any machine. But we were in 4
35 Jfk777 : Nw needs the 744 for passsenger service, A332 are not competitive to Asia. While the 787 will do wonders they will need a large capacity airplane, upg
36 NA : First time I hear that NWA is converting some of its 744s to freighters. As for the 742Fs, 4 or 5 (the original batch still in bare metal) have seen
37 StarGoldLHR : All this assumes NWA will survive bankruptcy.
38 PSU.DTW.SCE : Going from an A319 to a DC-9-50 is not a downgrade. On a capacity basis, the A319 and DC-9-50 are identical with the A319 having 16F/109Y = 125 seats
39 Nwab787techops : That is somewhat true. They are looking at maybe converting converting the 747-400 to freighters, but the folks that have the STC to do the convertin
40 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW is far beyond that point, its not even worth discussing. Planning to emerge in June.
41 Floridaflyboy : Most of those horror stories come from NW domestic operations. A lot of people believe them to have some of the best international service of any U.S
42 Cubsrule : The trouble is that they haven't been good about this in the past. DC-9s are going to take weight restrictions on routes like CLT-MSP and BNA-MSP on
43 LTU932 : NW has ordered their 787s, to the surprise of everyone, with RR Trent engines. The other question is whether NW can even afford to buy the 747-8 in t
44 Jetjack74 : Maybe, some will probably end up as freighters or be on the sale market. Doesn't really matter whether NW has the money, it's the creditors and inves
45 Af773atmsp : I like that the 748 is almost identical to the 744. NW could order the 773ER and 748 like they did when they ordered the E175 and CRJ-900 which would
46 Gigneil : It isn't. Its a fair bit bigger. NS
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