NWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 662 posts, RR: 5 Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8809 times:
Well I just had my interview with Northwest Airlines to be a Flight Attendant and was hired. The hiring manager and I were talking about aircraft and what not, he said the DC9s would probably be around for another 13 years lol yay. And that as the 787s come on line, he said the 747s, both 742s and 744s would be retired. He said they are great aircraft, but are worn and tired. I was wondering if anyone else has heard this and if the 787 is a real replacement for the 747?
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9600 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8793 times:
When the 787 comes into NWAs fleet, its remaining 742s are 24-30 years old, and more than half of its 744 fleet is nearing its 20th birthday. For sure some will be retired or sold at around that time, but that does not mean that the 787 will replace the 747s. It just will happen at the same time. I expect an 747-8I order within the next 2 years.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8734 times:
According to the latest fleet plan by NW, the 744's are not being retired. The 747-200's will be phased out of PAX service by end of September 2007, however, NW will still have 742's, just flying Cargo.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8688 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2): According to the latest fleet plan by NW, the 744's are not being retired.
I'm not sure about that...by 2011 I think either all 16 744s are being retired or 8 333 positions (reasonably sensible if you're getting a 787 a year later) are not being taken up and 8 744s (or other widebody, but what other widebody could you retire?) are being retired. The 742s are definitely being retired though.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
First rule of thumb - don't believe that everything you hear from every employee is factual. Plus this industry changes so much, even whats true today may not be true next week. FA's & Pilots are the worst for spreading rumors, its in the job description, but regardless filter the information you hear with a healthy dose of skeptism.
While there may be some truth this person's statements, don't believe the timelines you hear. The "official" plan is as follows - based on actual fleet planning. Until an actual replacement is named, or substituted, its all hearsay. When I say forseeable future, we are talking in the next 3-5 years. Look where we were in 2000, you could't predict 5 years out even if you even tried.
742 (passenger) - removed of service in September 2007
742 (freight) - continue into forseeable future
DC9 - currently at ~115 frames, will be drawn down to 75 frames by 2008, that will continue on going forward until an additional replacement is named. They will not be around another 13 years. Up to 5 years, yes, beyond that anything is questionable
744 - continue into the forseeable future, 787 is not a direct full-out replacement. May reduce the need for as many frames at some point, but will not eliminate all 16. Still planning on 16 frames through 2010.
In this article... http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1060988.html
...which very well could be wrong, it states that the NW "transoceanic" fleet will go from 61 today to 74 in 2011. Either they're including 753s now, and NW is retiring its 744s by 2011 or they're including 742 Freighters now but not in 2011, or they're retiring a portion of the 744s and not taking some A330s? It doesn't make sense. Of course the article could be totally wrong.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7906 times:
Congrats on the new job!
While I don't see 787 replacing 744 all together, the NW 744s are in ugly shape, esp. in Y. The seats are total crap, IFE is weak... so unless they want to refurb the fleet (my guess is they don't) then I just don't see what they are going to do besides order new aircraft.
Having 747s is a real issue of pride for NW, I think, as well. I'm not sure I can see them ending that.
Plus, with GEnx 787s in the fleet, the 747-8 makes good sense.
Plus, 777-300ER is in high demand... hard to get slots and good prices on those. 747-8i on the other hand could be a bit more of a bargain.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9600 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7764 times:
How many DC-9s does NWA still have? They constantly retire them one after the other since a few years, and at least 3 have been written off in ground accidents over the last 24 months. At this pace they won´t have any left in 11 years.
Scouse From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7280 times:
according to MSP update blog for Minneapolis airport the NWA fleet will change between now and 2011 by retiring the remaining 3 747-200 passenger planes. They will remove from service 5 of the 13 747-200F that they have. They will convert 4 of the 16 747-400 passenger planes to freighters. There are 18 A 319's and 33 DC-9 going to be removed from service and only 6 more A330 to arrive. With the 18 B787 and 72 RJ's added they will have a total of 602 planes.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21212 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7226 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 10): Hey, just slightly off topic but where are the 742's based and what routes do they fly now ? are they all in the far east or do some do some internal US runs ? do you get any at AMS / MEM ?
NRT-SPN and NRT-GUM. We never see them in the States.
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Scouse From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7169 times:
The Star Tribune newspaper obtained fleet plan information distributed to Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) union members last week. The majority of fleet reductions will come from Airbus A319s and McDonnell Douglas DC-9s. These reductions will be replaced by new regional jets set to be delivered over the next two years.
This is what the blog said about replacing the 319's and the DC9's
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7122 times:
Its not necessarily a direct replacement per say. The 36 CR9's & 36 EMB-175s replace some of the DC-9 capacity and some of the Avro capacity that was reduced last year, and to an extent, the A319's on the longer, thinner routes that are beyond the range of the CRJ's & DC-9's.
Thus NW will retiring ~30-35 DC-9's in the next two year, plus shedding some A319's. That A319 capacity in effect will be maintained by the remaining DC-9's, primarily the -50's which have a similar capacity without the high lease rate.