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Avianca & Boeing Confirm Boeing 787 Order  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4116 posts, RR: 90
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9414 times:
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March 28 (Bloomberg) -- Avianca SA, Colombia's largest airline, will pay $1.5 billion for 10 Boeing 787 Dreamliner jetliners and the option to buy 10 more.

''With this purchase we ratify our commitment to make Avianca the leading airline in Latin America,'' German Efromovich, president of Brazil's Grupo Sinergy, which owns Avianca, said in a statement issued today by Boeing Co.

Avianca will use the new planes starting in 2010 on its transatlantic routes. The aircraft will replace Boeing 767s and 757s it now uses, the Bogota-based company said in a separate statement.


[END - fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aQ5IXv_wO738 ]

Finally confirmed by Boeing and Avianca. No link available to the Boeing statement. So the question is, are they UFO, of which there are 10 on the books and there is no mention on their narrowbody selection.

2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past. If not, the 787 will have sold 501 frames.

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

Now that its official, I would like to congratulate our Colombian friends for this achievement. I'm proud for Avianca.

'en buen momento'


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Am I right in saying they are the first Latin American 787 customer? Hopefully, this will spur some other latin sales.


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User currently offlineArchie From Mexico, joined Aug 2000, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Aeromexico has 5 on order, so Avianca is not the first Latinamerican carrir to order the 787.

Regards,
Archie


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
Am I right in saying they are the first Latin American 787 customer? Hopefully, this will spur some other latin sales

South America, yes. By my definition, Latin America includes Mexico. Then the first Latin American 787 customer is AM.


User currently offlineNW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 4):
South America, yes. By my definition, Latin America includes Mexico. Then the first Latin American 787 customer is AM.

Correct. Latin America does indeed include Mexico. Congrats Avianca!


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

It is great to finally have it official! and 2010 and will soon come!
So it's 10 Dreamliners and 10 options.

I just heard an interview with Avianca's owner, who confirmed that the purchase will be done directly, and *not* through operational leasing.

He also said that AV will start serving most countries in Central America, as well as Cuba very soon, and that London and Paris would have to wait till next year.

There will be an announcement at a later date about the narrowbodies, expected to be of the A320 family, with some A330s thrown in.. I think that if the A330s do arrive next year, they won't just fill the gap until the 787s arrive, but I would think that depending on their performance, they would fly alongside the dreamliner, with the Airbus for north and south American routes and the Boeing mostly on Europe.

[Edited 2007-03-29 01:58:56]

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Quote:
Avianca will replace Boeing 757 and 767 planes with the new purchases, it said in a press release.

Nicolaas Groeneveld-Meijer, a spokesman for Boeing Co. (BA), said that Avianca has acquired purchase rights for an additional 10 787 planes at a time to be determined in the future.

"Avianca will be the first company in South America to operate Boeing 787s in 2010," it said. Avianca will operate seven of the 10 airplanes while the three remaining will be operated by Synergy Aerospace.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...0328-715433.html?mod=moj_companies


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Finally confirmed by Boeing and Avianca. No link available to the Boeing statement. So the question is, are they UFO, of which there are 10 on the books and there is no mention on their narrowbody selection.

2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past. If not, the 787 will have sold 501 frames.

Good news, interest in the 787 continues......its been a good day for the program, AA seems to be on board and now Avianca confirms its order: a firm order for 10 airframes by Avianca with 10 options is a very nice order indeed....a big commitment from an airline Avianca's size. Congrats to all.

My guess it hat the 10 UFO orders for the 787on Boeing's books for a while are, in fact, the airplanes for Avianca....but that means that Garuda's intent to also acquire ten 787s are not on Boeing's books.


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):
There will be an announcement at a later date about the narrowbodies, expected to be of the A320 family, with some A330s thrown in.. I think that if the A330s do arrive next year, they won't just fill the gap until the 787s arrive, but I would think that depending on their performance, they would fly alongside the dreamliner on pan-american routes.

I agree. The A330s (presumably -200s) will no doubt do a good job in flights to places like GRU, EZE, SCL, MEX, MIA, etcetera. Besides, even if the 787s are more cost-efficient, the A332s will be almost brand new, so I do not see the point of getting rid of them fast. Maybe some A330s can be transferred to Ocean Air at some point after Boeing begins delivering the 787s to AV.



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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

For someone who grew up flying on their 707's, 720B's, and 727-100's, this is indeed a special day for my country of birth and my "home town" airline. An investment of this size, whether for Boeings or Buses, clearly indicates the progress that both Avianca and Colombia have made in recent years.

The following question is still stuck in my head: What will they use on secondary, thinner, yet challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

I can't wait for the inauguaration of BOG-LHR/LGW, so I can have the pleasure of flying nonstop into another very special city for me, London.

Viva Colombia!



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
My guess it hat the 10 UFO orders for the 787on Boeing's books for a while are, in fact, the airplanes for Avianca....

No guess anymore, as many have felt, Avianca's 10 B787s were already part of Boeing's order book as unidetified.... here is the news link confirming the decision by Boeing..... Congrats to AV for selecting such fine aircraft and I'm personally glad they didn't end up getting B767s as an interim solution, because if confirmed, those A330s would look awsome in AV colors!



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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8925 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

Sorry John, I am afraid I don't understand what you mean with "challenging" as I am not very familiar with Colombia's geography and demographics. Are you referring to routes (i) that involve a high-altitude airport (or airport with short runway); (ii) where V.F.R. traffic prevails; or (iii) that have been inconsistent performers?

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
For someone who grew up flying on their 707's, 720B's, and 727-100's, this is indeed a special day for my country of birth and my "home town" airline

Though I have never beenn in Colombia (much less the chance to fly AV), I sincerely congratulate AV and salute all our Colombian a.net buddies for this remarkable accomplishment.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30569 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8819 times:
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So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end.  Smile

User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

Congrats to both AV and Boeing on this order. Will be great to see what routes AV opens with the 787s.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2495 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
So I guess the forum member who saw a 787 screen saver on an Avianca computer earlier this year was correct, in the end

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the title of this thread... The 787 will look great in their livery (as will A332's if they are also aquired as has been rumoured).


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

Finally, after a long wait, the almost confirmed rumour became official. The announcement of the A320 fleet should be coming soon I guess. The A330-200 will be brand new, I have been told "officially" by AV management, it will be two planes arriving early 2008 and will be dedicated for the Colombia-Spain service.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Am I doing the math wrong, that 1,500,000,000 /10 only equils 15 million a frame?


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 10):
The following question is still stuck in my head: What will they use on secondary, thinner, yet challenging routes like MDE-JFK? An A320? An A330? A787?

I don't get the "challenging" thing either. CLO - MDE - JFK has been doing quite good lately. I had the chance to fly to CLO - MDE leg and it was packed from CLO, and lots of people boarded in MDE as well when I got out.

But you sort of got a point anyway, and it's the very same thing I've been asking myself and replying here in the forum when the topic arises:

The 757 niche in my opinion will be very hard to replace with the A320 choice. In the concrete case of MDE - JFK for example I don't think the A320 will be able to make it to JFK from MDE (5 hours flight taking off from an altitude of 7000 feet and with high temperatures sometimes) without a significative penalty. Maybe the A319 has a better performance but has less capacity, and as I've been saying, the route isn't doing bad for a 757, besides cargo is a major factor as well. I still think the 737NG is better suited, but who am I anyway... if they chose the A320 it is for a reason (not only the potential discounts). That replacing it with an A320. Now, that route with an A330 would have no penalty whatsoever... but the A330 is much of an Airplane for that!.

I think the A330 will look hot in their current color scheme though.



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Am I doing the math wrong, that 1,500,000,000 /10 only equils 15 million a frame?

Yes you are, It will more like $150 million a frame.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8239 times:

Might this spur a LA order? How much competition is there between LA an AV?


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 8114 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2010 Delivery infers it could be UFO given the aount of discussion in the past.

Indeed, it seems to be the case.


"The order, worth approximately $1.5 billion at list prices, was previously credited to an unidentified customer on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries website."


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070328/sfw111.html?.v=55



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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
Sorry John, I am afraid I don't understand what you mean with "challenging"

Yes, by "challenging" I meant specific routes with unique operational profiles such as:

- departures from "hot and high" airports (or at least "very warm and sort of high") like MDE, BOG, MEX.

- high percentage of "VFR" traffic loaded to the gills with "regalitos" (little gifts for the family) and cargo - ever see the check-in line at JFK during the summer or at Christmas?

- somewhat uneven load factors throughout the year (for example - 50% during low season, 100% during high) - this might result in a decent 75% load averaged over the entire year, but I have flown the CLO-MDE-JFK flight with just 20 passengers aboard!

It seems to me that the 757 performed this role perfectly (and the 707 before it) but now it seems that they will have to choose from "less than perfect" aircraft for these types of missions.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26851 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Will be nice to see AV ....787. Do you think they will use one for a LHR to BOG ??? I would like to see them back on that route.

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 23):
It seems to me that the 757 performed this role perfectly (and the 707 before it) but now it seems that they will have to choose from "less than perfect" aircraft for these types of missions.

This may be so. Still, I think that what AV would do is deploy the A319, with JFK being served separately from MDE and CLO, at least in the busy seasons. In very quiet periods it could be still served as a combined flight. Other options are also plausible (though less likely IMO), such as A320/A321 with a service CLO-BAQ/CTG-JFK and MDE-CTG/BAQ-JFK.
Amanecerá y veremos.


25 Summa767 : I am pretty sure that will be the case. They already want to serve London from next year (either with 767 or A330) from next year, with the 787 takin
26 Post contains images Coal : And to think no one believed me about the 787/A32X mix + the A330 interim replacement rumor I got from my friend who flies for AV. In any case, good
27 Summa767 : Yes, it's the -800 series. And by the way, I was just listening to Mr Efromovich, who has said that NO decision has been made on the 30 narrowbodies
28 777jaah : 787-8 for sure. Sure, but for now, with teh arrival of the A330s AV will have a few 767s to use to FRA and LHR. So I guess next year will be an amazi
29 Post contains links AcessColombia : I found some more info http://www.elcolombiano.com.co/Banco...oeing_787_por_us$1500_millones.asp - The confirmed order is for 10 frames, 7 of which wi
30 Post contains links and images RICARIZA : glad you guys pointed that out. Here are the pics: Avianca Selects The B-787 (by RICARIZA Jan 6 2007 in Civil Aviation)
31 OA260 : Great . They used to fly from London and I had the chance to go on them but I was stupid and didnt go. I got a really great deal to ADZ via BOG for $
32 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Please continue the discussion in the following thread Avianca New Fleet: Confirm 787 Order by RICARIZA Thank you
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