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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7515 posts, RR: 76
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13017 times:

With the industry going haywire, crashes and incidents... etc...
I think Indonesia deserves it's own Aviation thread here on a.net!

Here goes the inevitable... Let's see the recent developments...


Airline Categories Announced by the Government

Category 1: Satisfied all safety requirements and beyond.

Category 2: Satisfied all safety requirements.
CASR121 Operators:
Garuda, Merpati, Mandala, Trigana, Pelita, Indonesia Air Asia, Lion Air, Wings, Riau Airlines, Express Air, Sriwijaya Air, RPX, Express Transportasi Antar Benua (who the hell is this?)

CASR135 Operators:
Pelita Air, Airfast, Trigana, Travira, Derazona, National Utility Helicopters, Deraya Air Taxi, SMAC, Indonesia Air Transport, Gatari, Intan Angkasa Air, Air Pacific Utama, Transwisata, Puri Wisata, Angkasa Semesta, Aviastar, National Calibration Agency, Express Transportasi Antar Buana, Sampoerna Air, Eastindo.

Category 3: Satisfied most safety requirements, and given 3 months to get their acts together.
CASR121 Operators:
Kartika Air, Batavia Air, Transwisata, TriMG, Manunggal Air cargo, Adam Air, Jatayu Air (Not Operating)

Helizona (inactive), Sayap Garuda, Penas, GT Air, Dirgantara Air Service, Kura-Kura Aviation, Asco Nusa Air, Atlas Deltasatya, Susi Air, Dabi Air, AirTransport Service, Aviasi, Alfa Trans, Prodexim.



GA200 crash investigation is now entering the analysis phase. CVR and FDR data now collected. Rumours circulating on Captain suffering partial incapacity and F/O failed to take appropriate action.

25 738 orders
Not sure if this an additional order or a new order.

2 738 leases cancelled.
Rumours circulating now that due to the GA200 crash, the leases on 2 738s ex Turkey that was to arrive here the end of this year has been cancelled.

Adam Air:
Management issued new panic directive, that is no airplane is allowed to fly with any deferred items. As a result, on the first day, only 30 flights made it out of CGK in comparison with the normal 80.

All flight crews at Adam Air is undergoing mandatory retraining.

Indonesia Air Transport:
Management protested on being placed as Category II by the government, citing that the categorisation is groundless. The management stated no one had come to their offices to review any documentation whatsoever.

Batavia Air
Management stated they were not surprised they were placed under Category III.

Lion Air
Pontianak route reopened using the 737-400.

Sriwijaya Air
Lease of 737-300s rumoured to have been cancelled because of the possibility of the government issuing a new directive that used aircraft brought into the country must be less than 10 years old and cannot be used beyond the age of 20 years.

Airline has decided to stop recruiting direct entry captains after rumoured to have found irregularities on flights operated by direct entry captains from other airlines.


Liquids, Aerosols and Gels in Hand Luggage
The 100ml each pack and 1 liter total limits on handluggage will apply for intl departures ex CGK from 31st March. Duty free and medical/diet/baby requirements exempt. Expect large queues on the initial implementation phase.

Indonesia Air Asia discovered a security flaw in Surabaya the other day. It was reported that a crew impersonator made it to the gate where he was intercepted by QZ ground staff upon noticing an outdated ID tag. The impersonator claimed he was from another airline (with his uniform representing that airline). Apparently he left the scene before security arrived at the scene. Indonesia Air Asia is looking into this.

PGK/Pangkal Pinang
Lightning strike rendered the VORDME and NDB inoperative. Back online since 25th March.

After receiving a complaint on poor radar vectoring where an airliner was vectored into a mountain and numerous complaints on the U/S VORDME, vectoring has improved and the VOR/DME now back inline.

After resurfacing completed some time ago, the runway strength grade has been upgraded to 31 FCXT, enabling airlines to use 737-400s into the airport. Lion Air has reopened Pontianak as a result.


So let's see what we can discuss/slander/laugh at/praise...


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
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User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12992 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Thread starter):
Liquids, Aerosols and Gels in Hand Luggage
The 100ml each pack and 1 liter total limits on handluggage will apply for intl departures ex CGK from 31st March. Duty free and medical/diet/baby requirements exempt. Expect large queues on the initial implementation phase

Just want to clarify for my travel purposes. Only 100ml containers can go through security up to 1 liter in individual 100ml containers? So much for the first leg of the return trip with a bottle of water.

Quoting Mandala499 (Thread starter):
Batavia Air
Management stated they were not surprised they were placed under Category III.

Now I have to ask, why were they not surprised? I would have thought Batavia was not that bad.

My wife and kids are flying from Jambi to Palembang on Riau next week. I guess I better pray to the airline gods. I've been doing that a lot lately with all the missing AKEs I have had of late.  Silly

"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7515 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12966 times:

It's 100ml per item, and per pax limit total is 1 liter.
If more, it goes to the checked baggage.
It applies to intl flights.


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineBlrBird From Cambodia, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12957 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 2):

Any updates on liberalizing air traffic rights between SIN-Indoneisa so that more LCC's can operate between these two countries?

from star dust....
User currently offlineMacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Last year Garuda Indonesia announced that it was suspending its Denpasar-Brisbane-Auckland service from 19 November 2006 until 25 March 2007. The service to AKL has not been resumed (14 March 2007 Garuda press statement).

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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Are they any private airlines, or airports in Indonesia

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7515 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Just another one on Adam Air...
First Officers are not to be pilot flying during take off and landings until further notice!

*shakes head*

Private airports?
Lido Flying Club
Bali Buleleng
Batam Aeroclub airstrip.

Pondok Cabe Airport Jakarta (Pelita)
Dumai Pinang Kampai airport (Pelita)
Lhokseumawe Malikussaleh airport (Exxon)
Muara Badak Airport (dunno which oil company)
There's another oil airport somewhere near Bawean
There's one also between Pekanbaru and Rengat, owned by a paper mill.

Private airlines? You mean privately owned or owns private airplanes?  Smile
All airlines are private except for Garuda, Merpati, who are owned by the govt. Then Pelita is owned by the national oil company.


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Any news on 747SP VH-OZX ?
Still in Garuda hangar? Condition?

I haven't heard anything for awhile.


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User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 888 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 2):
It's 100ml per item, and per pax limit total is 1 liter.

Well, I really don't know whether to take this as a major step forward or just trying to keep international observers happy. I think all airports in Indonesia need to be much tighter in security, especially with crew and airport personnel. I think in Asia, KLIA has a good example whereby all airport staff have to go swipe their id cards upon entering airside and also it comes along with a fingerprint id scan. Nothing new in the world, but something that Indonesia will probably not implement in a long time!!

With airlines...I don't raelly care much for the categorization of airlines. For me, my family and all my staff, on GA is the way to go.

We rally need 9M-MAR in on this topic too. He should be happier to know that Lion has resumed the PNK service.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7515 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12832 times:

Still in Garuda Maintenance Facility, but the condition is deteriorating... hasn't been cleaned much and I doubt the engine runs were done... if it still has the engines... gotta ask friends who went there last month....


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineGFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

It is a mystery to me why the liquids rule has suddenly been implemented here. Like M499 I can only imagine it is for public display purposes. A far more pressing need which is, finally, being taken seriously is pax ID checks. Unfortunately, we seem to have gone from one extreme to another in that ID is now supposed to be checked 3 times - once on entry to the terminal, again at check-in, then at the departure gate - whereas doing it properly once would probably suffice for domestic. My own pet hate still hasn't been properly addressed: cardboard boxes tied up with string as hold and hand baggage! Don't you just love it when a box full of 'special cake from Medan' spills eveywhere on the belt.

Once your ID has been checked against the name on the ticket there is generally nothing much stopping you from wandering airside once you get to the gate in quite a few airports - notably CGK. Door locks seem to be for show only and I regularly see parents leading kids out to look at the planes on the airside walkway that conects between the ramps.

On the plus side, Indonesia is a fun place for aviation enthusiasts because there is such a variety of traffic and a/c types. A couple of European carriers (KL and LH) are joined by airlines from all over Asia and the middle-east. Not to mention the spectacle of Haj flights during the muslim pilgrimage season and an eclectic mix of Boeing, MD, Fokker, and Airbus jets with Dash, Otter, F50 and a few smaller props thrown in for spice. Just be careful who you fly with if you come for a visit...

User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

Quoting GFFgold (Reply 10):
My own pet hate still hasn't been properly addressed: cardboard boxes tied up with string as hold and hand baggage

Ummm, then how is Pempek going to be sent from Palembang to the rest of Indonesia? I really enjoy looking all the Pempek that is transported from Palembang as baggage.


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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4650 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
Last year Garuda Indonesia announced that it was suspending its Denpasar-Brisbane-Auckland service from 19 November 2006 until 25 March 2007. The service to AKL has not been resumed

Garuda has also suspended Brisbane service now, so Auckland is very unlikely to resume. For the time being GA's Australia services consist of 4 weekly DPS SYD (A333), 3 weekly DPS MEL (A333), 10 weekly DPS PER (B738), 4 weekly CGK PER (B738) and 2 weekly DPS DRW (B734).

In news related to PER operations, Garuda has recently equipped the B738 fleet with a small business class cabin. This cabin counts 12 seats in three rows of 2-2 abreast and should work out well for the destinations to which this small subfleet is being deployed. Apart from PER, the B738 is used on services between CGK and PEK (3 weekly via SIN) and CAN (4 weekly).

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5542 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12660 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
Garuda has also suspended Brisbane service now, so Auckland is very unlikely to resume.

Are you saying that if they don't resume BNE they probably won't resume AKL?

Flights to AKL were never more than 3 per week, 2 for the last couple of years, loads varied but very hard to get any decent yeild I guess with such poor frequency.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4650 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
Are you saying that if they don't resume BNE they probably won't resume AKL?

That is very likely going to be the case, given that yields in BNE were always a bit better than yields in AKL. I don't see either coming back online for a good couple of years. The same goes for NGO and FUK, which were actually better yielding but where lack of widebody resourced is precluding the airline from restarting services.

The entire DPS longhaul setup is a bad idea as it goes. It is there to support the local tourism industry which has been badly hit by a number of recent events, yet it is not brining any substantial contribution to the airline's bottom line. Garuda was actually planning to remove the longhaul operation from the DPS hub, yet strong political interference has yet again decided differently.

The setup of the Tokyo operation is, if possible, even more ridiculous. NRT is served in a triangular CGK NRT DPS operation, in order to upset neither the CGK business community nor the DPS tourism sector. Yet, by offering such a ludicrous contruction, Garuda is basically losing out in both markets.

A rearrangement of the entire operation around one single hub (CGK) has the potential of not only saving Garuda lots of money but also generating additional revenue because the passenger mix at CGK is typically better yielding than anywhere else in the country.

User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

Can you tell me a bit more about Sampoerna Air?

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12580 times:

What is the latest in regards to the banning of aircraft more than 10yrs old. Has this died a proper death?
Or was its intent lost within the rating of Airline safety levels that put most of the carriers on the 90 notice?
What is the latest on Adam Air and their A320's? Havent heard anything about this lately.

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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1764 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12558 times:

how's IPTN doing?

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User currently offlineGFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 16):
What is the latest in regards to the banning of aircraft more than 10yrs old.

This does seem to have died a natural death. The idiots who first proposed the idea have probably had a reality check since, and realised just how many (or how few) domestic flights would actually operate if all planes over 10 years were grounded. The mooted ban on imports of older planes seems to have died too, and lets hope it stays that way for SJ's sake.

It's anyone's guess about Adam's new fleet orders. An outfit like that is able to get at least some bank loans without the normal commercial scrutiny, but they have lost a lot of travel agent trade because of unreliability and the only pax flying with them are the bottom rung of the 'budget' market taking advantage of discounts.

User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):
gotta ask friends who went there last month....

Looking forward to hearing more.



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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12482 times:

Don't you think this thread came out a bit late? I am glad mandala499 started it. I am not 'Indonesian' enough to do so. HB-IWC should be a regular here!

Quoting N757KW (Reply 1):
I would have thought Batavia was not that bad.

Perhaps they have been lucky all this while.

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 8):
We rally need 9M-MAR in on this topic too.

I am here.  tongue 

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 8):
He should be happier to know that Lion has resumed the PNK service.

Indeed. But knowing Lion's reputation, I am not sure whether I am going to fly with them or not, no matter how cheap their fares are.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7515 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

What is the latest on Adam Air and their A320's? Havent heard anything about this lately.

Looks like Adam is continuing with it despite having been dumped by its political backers. I heard Adam is training some crew for A320s currently. But at the same time, the airline is not allowing the F/Os to perform take offs and landings for fear of more accidents... *shaking head*

I would have thought Batavia was not that bad.

Well, I flew Batavia today and well, let's just say "I can see why they put it on category 3"... though my following Wings Air flight makes me wonder again if there is any correlation between those category ratings and reality!

Batavia's luck is that it has avoided highly publicised accidents so far, but there seems to be a large number of incidents and diverts/rtbs due to tech issues.

Now an Industry UPDATE:

RUMOUR: Garuda to "supply" Lion 737-900ER pilots.
Strong rumours are circulating that Boeing has requested/ordered Lion not to provide crew for the 737-900ER from its MD80/90 pilot pool and that to do so the MD crew must spend a minimum period on the 737-400 or can only convert at a later stage.

To cover the shortage, Lion has asked for 80 737 pilots from Garuda, and to provide them with a nice transfer fee to the pilots and Garuda (covering Garuda's investment in its crew). Lion is also seeking pilots from other domestic 737-300/400/500 operators on a direct entry & covert scheme.

Routes could be re-regulated.
According to the Jawa Pos newspaper, the Director General of Air Communications have stated that in the future, not all airlines can fly a particular route. He stated that routes such as Jakarta-Medan and Jakarta-Surabaya shall only be served by Full Service Carriers and not open for Low Cost Carriers, and that those routes shall be limited to two or three carriers per route.

*shakes head*


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12404 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 21):
According to the Jawa Pos newspaper, the Director General of Air Communications have stated that in the future, not all airlines can fly a particular route.

Do you think the government would limit flights on the CGK-PLM route? The competition on the route has kept prices very reasonable. On average I pay about USD$50 for CGK-PLM-CGK. Back in 2002 when I first started flying to PLM I was paying about $120 on GA. Off course I try to fly only GA on the return because it is much easier being in the same terminal. Trying to find that shuttle bus at terminal 1 was a trip in itself. Thank goodness for wheels on suitcases.

I could be wrong, but in 2002 I think only GA and Merpati were flying to PLM. Now, well everyone and their brother is flying to PLM.


"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12404 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 21):
not all airlines can fly a particular route.

Reason being? To avoid accident? I can't find the relation in it.

User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12370 times:

Unfortunatley I can't say too many bad things about any of the 6 flights that I have had in Indonesia.
x2 Trigana
x2 Garuda
x1 Yajasi
x1 MAF

However Ihave yet to determine if my following story is in favor of Indonesian airline safety or against.

We take off out of Sentani (Jayapura) and are in the air approx. 15 minutes. My dad and a friend of ours comments on how we should be much higher at this point into the flight. Within 5 minutes the Captain come comes on the intercomm and in very broken English makes an announcement. All that I got out of it was that we were returning to Sentani. As it turns out The Capt wanted to make sure that we had sufficient hydraulic pressure in the lines to deploy the landing gear at our arrival. The arrival airport was 5K feet MSL and he wanted to make sure that there would be enough pressure in the lines. Whether this is a reasonable explanation I don't know, but it was the one we got, language barrier a great factor. It seems to me that a hydraulic system in an a/c that flies above 10K feet shouldn't be affected by changes in altitude. This is because generally a/c such as these have pressurized hyrdraulic systems. BTW the a/c was an ATR 72. I'll let you all be the judges of that one. What do you think safe or unsafe?

25 HB-IWC : Because the Director General is new to the job and apparently has nothing better to do than coming up with ridiculous ideas such as this one. The CGK
26 Viasa : Lorena Air will lease three B737-400 from Futura (Spain) instant of the B737NG.
27 Post contains images Pe@rson : Hi folks, Aside from Jakarta, which Indonesian airports have good views from landside and airside in the terminal? I'm thinking of Medan, Surabaya, De
28 Mandala499 : Thanks for that, we know for a while they'll be starting on 734s instead of the NGs (no factory slots and lack of suitable planes on 2nd hand market)
29 9MMAR : Pontianak's Supadio. You can actually go onto the runway. Enter the airport compound from the village nearby, wear the worst clothes you had with a ca
30 Mandala499 : UPDATE: GA200 Preliminary Report due out tomorrow. I've been told to prepare for some "shocking revelations". Mandala499
31 Post contains images Pe@rson : Thanks, Mandala. LOL! Now that'd make a great photo. Certainly deserving the "A.net Member Of The Week" award for both effort and ingenuity.
32 GARUDAROD : Is there anything new on the proposal to link up Merpati and Garuda again? This on again/off again relationship is sort of like Air India/Indian. Some
33 HB-IWC : Update on Garuda Fleet Planning There is now clarity over the link between Garuda's recent order for 25 B738 aircraft and the September 2005 order for
34 GFFgold : Someone asked for advice regards views at MES Medan. Airside your best bet is one of the 'executive' lounges with a window in the right place. Exec lo
35 777way : When did Garuda quit Dammam and are they starting Dubai this year?
36 HB-IWC : DMM went out during the last round of cuts, which saw also AKL and BNE go. DMM was served as a tag on to RUH and has never been profitable. Not even
37 HB-IWC : Garuda expands domestic network Effective Monday, April 23, Garuda will significantly expand its domestic offerings with the addition of 2 new routes
38 Kretek : How are Garuda's code-share services doing? Are they making any money on them? Garuda is code-sharinng with MAS on European routes and DPS-DRW, Korean
39 Mandala499 : UPDATE: Adam Air taken over, switches to 738s & puts a new commitment to safety. In a travel agent's meeting in Solo, Adam Air was reported to put up
40 Pe@rson : If I were in CGK and would probably visit SUB and MES, would you recommend a daytrip from CGK to DPS?
41 GFFgold : It's one of the more expensive domestic routes but on a clear day offers good views, also DPS gets quite a good variety of traffic. Remember that due
42 HB-IWC : Actually, all GA flights between CGK and DPS except one depart and arrive from the international terminals at both ends of the route. Passengers are
43 GARUDAROD : Are there any signs of a diplomatic row over the India missle that forced a GA HAJJ flight to turn back? India claims they alerted at least a week in
44 HB-IWC : Garuda reduces domestic B737 turn-around times Garuda is reducing the turn around times for its B737 fleet (B733/734/735/738) at all domestic airports
45 Post contains links GARUDAROD : According to Australia's ABC news, the former president of GARUDA has been arrested for the poisoning of Munir Said Thalib. This should be an interest
46 Mandala499 : Batavia "new routes" rumour: Rumours are now surfacing that the A320 and A319 routes will be: CGK-CAN A319 CGK-DPS A320 CGK-MES A320 CGK-MDC A320 CGK-
47 HB-IWC : They cannot possibly be serious about that. Garuda's last attempt at MDC TPE resulted in a financial blood bath and a route like BKK DXB is just laug
48 Mandala499 : HB-IWC, Well, MDC-TPE is definitely a question on their senses! MDC-HKG would make more sense, albeit, minutely marginal! BKK-DXB? Again, laughable. F
49 Nwafflyer : Sorry, but I just cannot understand an aviation thread with 'poisoning'. I guess I'm too old, too normal, too female to follow this one
50 GARUDAROD : NWAflyer, The ex-President of GARUDA was arrested for poisoning a dissident onboard a Garuda aircraft enroute to AMS. The head of the airline had a pa
51 777way : Have Gulf Air quit Jakarta already?
52 GFFgold : Local TV news is full of a new US consular warning to its citizens not to use Indonesian domestic carriers. As is usually the case, this kind of move
53 Mandala499 : The FAA have now categorised Indonesia as category 2. This part is interestingly the part omitted by the local news... they decided to focus on the pa
54 W3ndytj4n : If I am not mistaken, the lounge is free of charge for Gold Credit Card Holder. I am not very sure about what card can be used, I used HSBC, Citibank
55 GARUDAROD : So that means there will be no Indonesian carriers flying to the U.S. anytime soon, as if that was going to happen anyway. But you always hear rumors
56 Mandala499 : The wording on the warning seems to point at the regulators and how airlines deal with the regulators. As of now, we do not know the effects yet. But
57 Nwafflyer : Sorry, I'm just completely confused about why an airline executive would attempt to poison a passenger. I've been in some pretty primitive places, but
58 W3ndytj4n : Since when Garuda is a member of Skyteam? I din't know about it. w3ndy
59 Post contains images 9MMAR : Yes, a joke of the thread. Maybe to this 'confused' woman A.Netter, try browsing google, search for "garuda, poisoning, human right activist" (use th
60 W3ndytj4n : What do you mean by this sentence? w3ndy
61 GARUDAROD : In all due respect, GARUDA was going to be part of an Alliance with KL, NW and MH many years ago. This was before the Asian Economic crisis, SARS and
62 Baroque : Is that why it has been decided that Munir received his last drink while in Singapore? Hmmmm.
63 Mandala499 : Baroque, LOL, if that's what they think then I wonder where they put their brains... Anyways, another Lion rtb today... *sigh* Mandala499
64 W3ndytj4n : Where is it? Any detail information? w3ndy
65 Post contains links Mandala499 : The news on it is: http://web.bisnis.com/sektor-riil/transportasi/1id3067.html Detik wrote about an Air Asia jet being delayed and pax stranded... It'
66 Post contains links and images W3ndytj4n : Thanks Mandala499. If the website is correct, we will be able to see the newest plane in Indonesia. For those aviation enthusiasts, stay around Jakart
67 Post contains links 9MMAR : It has been delivered. Check out photos of the event from Lion Air's website. http://www.lionair.co.id/promonews_737900ER.htm Boeing Delivers First 7
68 Mandala499 : 9MMAR, Those photos on the first link was from the roll out last year in Seattle... The plane should be here in about a day or two... Mandala499
69 9MMAR : Yes, I was informed about it by Clickhappy. Sorry.
70 Mandala499 : Looks like the plane have arrived already but the party's gonna start tomorrow... Mandala499
71 9MMAR : Keep us informed. When is its first commercial flight? To which destination?
72 Je89_w : What was the delivery routing of the aircraft?
73 GFFgold : Got an interesting email from NW today. NW has just suspended Worldperks, passenger and cargo agreements with GA citing the recent FAA report on Indon
74 Flyorski : I can understand this.......... What other options, do people in Indonesia have to get to the states?
75 W3ndytj4n : maybe through foreign airlines, such as SQ, MH, KL, LH, etc..... w3ndy
76 Mandala499 : Aircraft is already in CGK... currently parked in A2. Looks nice and new... *D'oh* Delivery route was reported to be via Honolulu, Guam and Singapore.
77 9MMAR : ThaiA345 told me that the new B739ER has started commercial flights yesterday. Looks like it was assigned to the CGK-Makassar-Manado route for this we
78 HB-IWC : I got the same email. Here it is: I am surprised at the low level of public attention the FAA's decision has had in Indonesia. As usual, I presume th
79 Nwafflyer : And, earlier, when I mistakenly posted that Garuda was part of Skyteam, it was because of their relationship with NW -- now, that relationship has cea
80 Vincewy : Can't believe how much GA has changed, about 10 years ago, GA was using 744 on CGK-TPE (daily), even DPS-KHH with MD11, they were even ready to order
81 GFFgold : I'd like to see GA get their act together but it's difficult to see how. Many domestic routes have been hijacked by LCC's wih very questionable ethics
82 ThaiA345 : Hey Guys, As mentioned by 9M MAR, the current route the Lion B739er is flying is on the CGK-Ujung Pandang-Manado route vv with departure from CGK dail
83 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : What a joke if you ask me. I have survived KI/7P/RI/SJ/JT/IW/GA - and more 7P/RI coming up in a few weeks. How about somebody worry about the taxis i
84 Mandala499 : We've got two contrasting deliveries this week... 1. PK-LFF, a 737-9GP (ER/Winglet), arrived with a lot of publicity. 2. PK-YVD, an A320 ex mytravel a
85 Calvin99 : Does anyone know how is the B739ER configure? Is it pure economy class or combination of both business and economy? I am asking this coz some of the L
86 HB-IWC : You are of course very right about all of this, but the problems of Garuda are much deeper routed than just the presence of LCC operators on the dome
87 GARUDAROD : Does that mean that the long rumoured termination of the A330s has already happened? If so, when did this go down? Are there any agendas to replace t
88 HB-IWC : Two A333 frames, PK-GPC and PK-GPD are no longer part of the active Garuda fleet, which has resulted in the permanent suspension of BNE-AKL. Only 4 A
89 Post contains images Mandala499 : Batavia now has TWO A320s... PK-YVD has arrived in CGK... PK-YVE has also arrived in CGK... PK-YVE's still short history with Batavia Air is rumoured
90 Mandala499 : PK-LFF has entered revenue service PK-YVD has entered revenue service Medan's Polonia Airport - Runway cracks, airport closed. Yesterday, Medan's Airp
91 GFFgold : Any photos of the damaged surface?
92 W3ndytj4n : Any Pictures of Lion Air 737-900ER? w3ndy
93 Post contains links Mandala499 : GFFGold, No pics of the cracks, but today it was announced that long term repairs on the runway will have to be made. And today, an air force Hawk200
94 Nwafflyer : Does anyone have the courage to start a 'third world aviation thread?' I sure don't. But now we have a Kenya crash on a quite new jet - we have countr
95 CX flyboy : What is the reason for the removal of these two A330s? Planned withdrawl, or sudden lack of spares/funds? Air Asia X had originally heavily delayed t
96 Paparadzi : A B733, N493AN, was re-registered as PK-YVX while sitting in KCH about 2 weeks ago. Can anybody confirm it is now flying for Batavia?
97 W3ndytj4n : Thanks Mandala, any idea when the next delivery is due? I am looking forward to see the lady coming to MES...... w3ndy
98 HB-IWC : As always with Garuda, it is very hard if not impossible to obtain straightforward information on sensitive issues like this one. Originally, it had
99 GFFgold : I've just booked a GA flight to Guangzhou, which I was a bit peeved to discover will be on a poxy little 738. I last flew one of the 738's back in Oct
100 HB-IWC : The B738s have been reconfigured to include a 12-seat/3-row business class section.
101 N757KW : I am getting ready to do my second trip to Indonesia this year. How is Air Asia's on time/reliability record in Indonesia? They have some very cheap r
102 Mandala499 : I heard that this plane was recently rejected by Batavia due to its conditions. This is however, UNCONFIRMED. But I've heard that this aircraft is no
103 N757KW : Thanks! How bad, if you had to guess, are the delays in the afternoon. From PLM, I have seen anything from on time to 2 hours, if not already cancell
104 CX flyboy : In the back of the latest copy of Flight International, there is an advert from garuda looking for a 5 year dry lease on 767-300 aircraft. No specific
105 GARUDAROD : Are the GARUDA DC10's still airworthy or are they rendered unuseable because they have just been sitting with no preventative maintenance?? If it wasn
106 HB-IWC : Garuda has been looking for affordable B763ERs for months now, but not a single feasible option has been found. The logic behind it is that the compa
107 GFFgold : I was surprised to hear exactly the same advice recently from a friend in Malaysia about Malaysia Air Asia. He tried to save money on regular trips f
108 W3ndytj4n : Until now, I havent had my AK flight cancel, and I hope they will not do that... I will be flying back to MES from KUL on AK next weekend, I hope the
109 HB-IWC : I actually believe that Air Asia are by now considerably worse than Adam when it comes to 'retiming' flights. From my office, I am a prime witness to
110 Post contains images N757KW : Thanks for all the info guys! I may try Air Asia to PLM since I do not have a schedule to adhere to. But, the return to CGK, I will stick with GA. Th
111 W3ndytj4n : Wow, I din't know this is happening. I thought AK is one of the best LCC in South East Asia, how they can let this kind of thing happen. I have no oth
112 Mandala499 : As suspected... thanks... Well, there's a good side and a bad side to shifting to the 763s. Good: 1. Lower pax number to break even. 2. Better flexib
113 W3ndytj4n : But AK and QZ are in the same company. IMHO, They are belong to AirAsia Group, so their operation should be the same. w3ndy
114 HB-IWC : As far as I know, the seemingly random cancellations of flights with light loads is a company wide policy at the Malaysian, Thai and Indonesian branc
115 W3ndytj4n : I think it happened to AK before, but I am not sure whether it is still happening now. When AK first launch night flight KUL - MES. Almost everyday th
116 Flyjetstar : I posted this in its own thread as I didn't see this one! Apologies! I am traveling to Ternate in North Maluku in January. I have been trying to figur
117 Mandala499 : Ternate? Manado(MDC)-Ternate(TTE) with Wings Air's Dash 8s... Makassar(UPG)-Ternate with Merpati's 732s... Davao-Manado? Take Sriwijaya there... 1x we
118 Flyjetstar : Thanks for that info. I've not been to Inodenesia before so this is all new. I'm navigating my way around some rather interesting websites at the mom
119 GFFgold : I particularly love the way most - if not all - airlines in Indonesia use the 'reconfirmation' procedure to do this as well. When I first moved to In
120 ThaiA345 : Does anyone actually know the delivery time frame for the other JT B739er?
121 Mandala499 : Flyjetstar... Try this: SJ611 1...... DVOMDC 1045 1150 737 nonstop JT1174 daily? MDCTTE 1430 1620 DH8 nonstop JT1173 daily? TTEMDC 0630 0620 DH8 nonst
122 B747-4U3 : I had this problem on Thai Air Asia. I wanted to get from Chiang Mai to Phuket. At the time, 2 of the Chiang Mai- Bangkok flights were cancelled, mea
123 GFFgold : I should think that will be quite long enough to explore all that Jayapura has to offer... Indeed, the full-on white knuckle experience riding an eld
124 HB-IWC : Does Merpati Jakarta even know about its operations in other corners of the country? As many times as I have previously queried them about such exoti
125 Mandala499 : Whilst this may have been true throughout the company over the past few years, at least recently the reservations at Merpati call center were able to
126 Mandala499 : New Rumour... Seeking Confirmation: PK-GPC is in GMF @CGK awaiting modification from RR for the engines. PK-GPD in SIN awaiting overhaul Any comments?
127 HB-IWC : The only comment I can make at this time is that neither of these aircraft are expected to return to the Garuda fleet. They are not included in any k
128 Mandala499 : Well, Looks like those two are being prepared to be sent elsewhere then... *sigh* Mandala499
129 ThaiA345 : Basically GA is losing a/c left right and centre. SOmetimes I just can't imagine how they are going to be able to keep to all their schedules and rou
130 Lufthansa747 : I recall HB-IWC saying they now have two rows of business, 8 seats total.
131 GFFgold : Does anyone know the complete story of the Batavia pax shot at by GA check-in staff at MES last weekend? Local news suggests that the handgun went off
132 HB-IWC : Well, over the past 5 years, Garuda's widebody fleet has gone down from 18 (3 B744, 4 B742, 6 A333, 5 DC10) to just 7 (3 B744, 4 A333) right now, whi
133 GFFgold : Yes, that is really irritating. I suppose when the day comes that GA simply can't supply a 744 with a flag on it for the Pres then the govt. might st
134 HB-IWC : Actually, the domestic yields aren't all that bad. Domestic executive class is actually expensive, and certain routes are one of the few cashcows rem
135 ThaiA345 : Yup,. tell me about it, I am on the 0930 flight from CGK to DPs tomorrow morning, paid almost 4 million for return in C. At least I am coming back on
136 GARUDAROD : You can add Honolulu and Los Angeles to those cities as well, although it has been nearly 10years now. The process where they remove a widebody from
137 Mandala499 : CGK-AMI? GA ! *LOL* JT (as long as it's not their MD) is getting better... (if you go on their MD, well, nothing against MD, but MD with JT?)... *eve
138 Lufthansa747 : OAG seems to list the only daily Lion as a 734. Lion Air - JT 650 Depart: Jakarta Soekarno-Hatta Apt Terminal: Terminal One Departure Time: 7:40 PM Sa
139 GARUDAROD : In one of the other threads on Latin America, it is reported that an ex VG B737-400 is enroute on delivery to Adam Air. Where is this aircraft intende
140 Lutfi : Garuda is no longer daily to HK? Wow. I left JKT some time ago, so no longer following in too much detail. If there is one int'l flight that should be
141 HB-IWC : Adam has been adding quite a couple of B734s over the past couple of months, most of them apparently replacing B732 equipment, of which I see fewer a
142 HB-IWC : Garuda plans Jakarta - Palangkaraya route Garuda is planning to open in the short term future a daily flight between Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta Internat
143 6thfreedom : ' BKK-DXB is a 6 hour sector. Would an A319 have the range? Also, any updates on how runway works at DPS are progressing... if indeed they are..
144 Mandala499 : UPDATE: B737-200 PK-KAD to leave Kartika Air to go to Sriwijaya Air. Looks like Kartika Air will surely cease ops. Looks like the fleet owner, Aero Nu
145 GFFgold : Given the financial situation at Garuda, I wonder if the best we can expect is that the airline becomes just another domestic carrier here? From what
146 Mandala499 : GFFgold, Well, didn't Pelita recently win a bid to provide an A319 with a flag on it to transport the pres around the globe? The minister of state ent
147 HB-IWC : It's gonna be with the B734. Don't know how, but that's what is in the aircraft rotation planning right now. More and more 734s to SRG as well, for t
148 GFFgold : Is CGK-KUL making any money for GA? I know the situation is financially complex with MH codeshares. I have to say I can't remember the last time I too
149 Kretek : 2 weeks ago, my father flew CKG-PER on a weekday, and there were only 34 passengers on board!
150 HB-IWC : Let's rephrase that into quality by Indonesian standards and compared to the crappy service that other domestic airlines are offering. I wouldn't go
151 Je89_w : Get ready for the arrival of PK-LFG (ex N900ER), Lion Air's second B739ER! It just stopped by HNL for a few hours and should be on its way to SPN righ
152 ThaiA345 : Just arrived back to CGK from DPS for the weekend. Took the 1525 turnaround which was an A333. Can omeone please tell me where was this a/c coming fro
153 HB-IWC : PK-GPE came in from Melbourne early afternoon as GA719, went up and down to Denpasar-Jakarta-Denpasar and will fly to Sydney as GA714 later tonight.
154 Kretek : Over many, many years, there have been talk of Garuda being privatised to a strategic investor. Any further developments? This may be a sensitive issu
155 Mandala499 : Kretek, It is on the cards, and fully supported by the minister of state enterprises. One company has been charged with "setting the required conditio
156 ThaiA345 : Thanks for the insight HB-IWC. When I started thinking about it, I am always in DPS its always during the weekends, no wonder flights are always full
157 Mandala499 : 6 A333s... down to 4 operating, 2 getting ready to go elsewhere... Financed through the European Credit Agency... GA's biggest foreign creditor... Ma
158 B747-4U3 : Just last night got back from Papua and Manado. I went to Biak first, and didn't like it, so I elected not to go to Jayapura and Wamena, but to go to
159 HB-IWC : Garuda has been operating SUB UPG flights on and off, the last time until about 2 months ago, when the daily SUB SIN rotation was extended to UPG for
160 Post contains images ThaiA345 : By the way, I also forgot to mention that when I went to Bali on Friday (25th May) it was on PK -GHQ and just on descending, my entire overhead panel
161 HB-IWC : PK-GHQ is a rustbucket, as is PK-GHR. The J-seats are also absolutely horrendous, coming from the old A300s. The entire PK-GZ* series also have these
162 ThaiA345 : But how about the J seats on the B738's? Where did they come from?
163 HB-IWC : Same source... Old A300 seats. Not much to talk about in other words.
164 Kretek : Which routes are to be 'suspended' or have their frequency reduced?
165 HB-IWC : Suspended A333 routes: DPS FUK DPS NGO DPS BNE DPS BNE AKL DPS ADL Equipment downgrades: DPS PER from A333 to B734 to B738 now again B734 CGK SIN PEK
166 ThaiA345 : My god, why do they still bother to keep them. How much can newer seats costs anyway? Maybe they should source some of the older SQ seats or MH's B77
167 HB-IWC : The answer is simple: there is no money whatsoever for product enhancements in Garuda. Look at the sorry state of the IFE system in the A333s and B74
168 GFFgold : Yet on the front page of GA's website the no. 1 news article is crowing about GA having made a profit - though when you convert it to hard currency ev
169 HB-IWC : Let's not kid ourselves: the profit the airline is refering to is profit from the operation. The operation is indeed profitable, mainly because of th
170 Lutfi : Operational profits - lol! "we would make money if we didn't have to pay for our planes or other assets..."
171 HB-IWC : Welcome to Indonesia, the home of skewed reasoning...
172 ThaiA345 : So what is my best chances of getting aboard GA's B735 (only been on them once my entire life) I usually plys the CGK-SUB route the most...so are they
173 Kretek : Can anyone tell me what the loads are on PER -CKG on 6 June? My parents will be flying on that day. A shame they won't be flying on 738, HB-IWC: do yo
174 HB-IWC : Sometimes one is deployed for day or two, at which time you can see it shuttling up and down between CGK and SUB with 4 hours cycles, but the 735 is
175 HB-IWC : Very light. I still have the flight has a B738, but that is very much subject to change. Sometimes it is pulled off the route because of light loads
176 HB-IWC : Garuda adds a replacement B734 for the ill-fated PK-GZC Garuda has successfully sourced a B734 frame to replace the ill-fated PH-GZC which was lost in
177 ThaiA345 : So what interior does this a/c have? Old A300 seats again? eheheheh or are they running a hybrid with interiors from the former users?
178 HB-IWC : It's configured indentically to all other B734s in the fleet (16C/120Y) and with seats identical to those of the PK-GZ* former Aeroflot aircraft. The
179 GFFgold : Odd article on the news this morning about GA signing a pact with Mercrapi. Is this something akin to a codeshare agreement? I couldn't work out what
180 HB-IWC : I hear the operations department of Merpati may be absorbed by Garuda, so the GA Operations Control Center would be managing the MZ operation as well
181 Lutfi : I remember that Jakarta Post or someone actually published the lease rates of the GA A330. I was actually surprised – the rates were reasonable. OK,
182 Mandala499 : Lutfi, The monthly payments do sound OK... and in reality, had GA paid them up as scheduled, there would be no problems... Now someone tried to defer
183 HB-IWC : Well, there has been a remarkable radio silence both within the airline and in the press about the entire A330 saga. The truth is that Garuda got a gr
184 GFFgold : Hee hee! Take seven fish from seven rivers, seven eggs from seven hens, seven mangos from seven trees. Place them on the grave of an ancient mystic o
185 ThaiA345 : Amen to that !!!
186 HB-IWC : Another Twin Otter bites the dust in Papua In the revolving door of twin otter crashes in Indonesia's easternmost province, a Trigana Air aircraft see
187 GFFgold : Just seen that on the TV news. Metro TV reports that the plane 'skidded after take-off' (tergelincir setelah take-off) though I suspect there must be
188 ThaiA345 : somehow if we look back up to 5 years ago till now, the most common reason used for crashes is skidded off runway or overran runway!
189 Post contains images N757KW : I have found this to be a common practice in Indonesia in my travels there. I just expect it now and don't worry about it. I consider the departure a
190 GFFgold : Yes, dear friend, but those planes skidded after LANDING not after TAKE-OFF gitu loh. I've yet to see that happen.
191 B747-4U3 : Before I went to Papua you said " Do the people at Merpati in Jakarta even know where they are flying?" It's true, they don't know!!!! I think the pr
192 Mandala499 : Coz some the carriers don't have 2 letter IATA or Pseudo-IATA codes... They all have the 3 letter ICAO carrier code though... Mandala499
193 HB-IWC : It looks to me as if the people in Jakarta have no idea what's happening with the Merpati operation at the outskirts, particularly anything east of U
194 B747-4U3 : This was put on the same ticket, which I why I'm amazed that the computer didn't realize the mistake!
195 Post contains images ThaiA345 : By the way, I am sure all of you know that there are tons of aircraft parked in the middle of CGK. Like ol4 KLM 747, Jatayu 727, a lot of non function
196 HB-IWC : CGK is a very cheap parking bay. Most of these frames were at one time destined for service here in the region, and some of them have actually served
197 Mandala499 : ThaiA345... Uang rokok won't get you anywhere much nowadays. There's a "new apron for derelict aircraft" just opposite WC1&2 from Apron D... I have ye
198 Paparadzi : Too bad, because there are some very interesting aircraft on the ground in CGK.
199 Post contains images ThaiA345 : Maybe HB-IWC can help us on this or maybe we can use 9MMAR trick to dress like a farmer working his fields next to the airoprt eheheheh then loiter i
200 Post contains images 9MMAR : This trick only applicable at airports such as PNK, with no perimeter fencing and is surrounded by farm lands and villages.
201 Mandala499 : ThaiA345... GMF is not a problem on organized visits... what you can photograph there depends on who's taking you around, but with several friends and
202 B747-4U3 : In Biak there is a football pitch by the side of the runway (within the perimiter fence) with goal posts. Many locals were kicking a ball around or j
203 N757KW : I was sitting in row 6. It looked like all the Economy seats to that point had the same tiny seat pitch. Don't know about farther back. I was afraid
204 Post contains links Mandala499 : OK guys, let's go on to "nomor dua"... The thread Number Two... at Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2 (by Mandala499 Jun 4 2007 in Civil Avia
205 Post contains images Electech6299 : Yes, plz do
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