FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4004 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21932 times:
Hmm...something tells me UA won't be ordering anymore of those automated bridges...
USAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21934 times:
Wow... Good to see that no one was hurt. This is one of those things that worry me about working the ramp....
Hoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21851 times:
Glad to hear no one was hurt, but what is the extent of the damage to the aircraft? An automated bridge collapsing onto a wing surely isn't good. Possible writeoff? Anyone know what kind of plane was involved?
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4004 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21853 times:
Quoting Hoya (Reply 3): Anyone know what kind of plane was involved?
I'm assuming it was a 737 or an Airbus, I think those are the only aircraft the bridge works with right now.
For those who haven't seen it, this is the bridge in question:
BravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21675 times:
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21665 times:
Wow... doesn't look terribly sturdy. I wouldn't want to be on it with a very large family.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21670 times:
Aircraft was a 752... Either they were not using the rear jet bridge and it came crashing down, or the media has the wrong information and they were trying to deboard from 1L and 2L with 'traditional' double jet bridges. I have no idea which.
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BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21543 times:
Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 5): Does anyone know who made the bridge?
DewBridge.
Here are some pictures of the jet bridge:
These five jet bridges were added back in August and were completely financed by United.
Airport officials were not too fond of them and thus were not willing to take part in it.
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Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 21338 times:
WN uses these same bridges somewhere, don't they? ALB maybe?
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21306 times:
Quoting Travatl (Reply 9): WN uses these same bridges somewhere, don't they? ALB maybe?
Yes, but they aren't automated.
The ones UA has in DEN are automated and according to the article posted above, the sensor malfunctioned which is what caused the rear part of the jet bridge to drop onto the wing.
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113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 537 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21271 times:
Last time I watched it going into position, I wondered how long it was before something like this happened.
UnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21235 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7): Aircraft was a 752... Either they were not using the rear jet bridge
Yep, the 757 never uses dual jetways. Reason being that it is single aisle. So, people lining up through FC doesn't do anything to speed things along. The bridge does not have the capability to hook up to the rear door of the 757.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21204 times:
Quoting BA (Reply 10): the rear part of the jet bridge to drop onto the wing
Ooohh... that no good. I don't know the engineering involved, but that sounds like the kind of collision that takes an aircraft out of service for a long while.
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20858 times:
Anyone have any pics or know exactly what the extent of the damage is? It might not be worth it to repair a 757 if it's badly damaged - some of those UA 752s are pretty old IIRC.
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OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20776 times:
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 15): Anyone have any pics or know exactly what the extent of the damage is? It might not be worth it to repair a 757 if it's badly damaged - some of those UA 752s are pretty old IIRC.
Still, 757s are hard to come by these days. UA might have a hell of a time trying to find a replacement aircraft.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4732 posts, RR: 30 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20494 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16): Still, 757s are hard to come by these days. UA might have a hell of a time trying to find a replacement aircraft.
Jmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 591 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20375 times:
DeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20324 times:
Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 18): KUSA has a slide show of the accident.
Oh, that doesn't look bad at all. But those pics are from a distance, so it may be worse than it looks. Definitely not a write-off though.
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19523 times:
Also sounds like DewBridge is going to have some explaining to do.... with their wallets...
Deltajet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19342 times:
The wing looks fine to me. It probably has some minor scrapes, scratches, etc. here and there. The plane should be back in the air pretty soon. Nevertheless it still needs to be checked just to make sure. Hopefully there aren't any punctures or big dents.
That jet bridge doesn't look very safe to me. looks heavy and clunky.
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1314 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19144 times:
I think these pictures are after the fact. I heard it did damage the wing pretty bad...
Anyway, I was not a fan of going to those jetways, not because of the automation, but because of the mechanics. The lack of structural support under the heavy extension just doesn't jive with me. I know the extension is anchored by the last pylon, but it just doesn't look right to me. Add a few months of moving those anchored supports around, and well, it ain't gettin' any stronger...
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1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18707 times:
Another reason to hate those new jetbridges. + It sucks for taking pictures or trying to get the ship #
LawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18593 times:
According to the article in the Rocky Mountain News:
"The plane's scheduled flight this afternoon from Denver to LaGuardia International Airport in New York has been canceled..."
Duh.
25 Pilotfox: Interesting, I was just there earlier this month and we used those gates for my flights to/from LAS. Does anyone know what gate it was? I know when I
26 Type-Rated: A long time ago when people rode passenger trains here in the United States more often when asked who they took for their trips they would say The Sa
28 Mattnrsa: Not true. B22 is the only one of the 5 dual bridges that can handle a 757. The others take A320s.
29 Cactus739: I was actually there this afternoon....i was wandering around the B concourse while waiting for my Frontier flight back to Phoenix. Security had block
30 MattRB: I don't know about anyone else, but to me, a bridge design like this just seems like a completely bad idea. "I know! Let's put in a big, heavy, metal
31 Gigneil: We're obviously talking about dual jetbridges for single-aisle aircraft here. NS
32 Scorpy: is it a '57 though? I thought they had dark blue undersides. The aircraft in the picture is white underneath, so did the media get it worng and maybe
33 Ikramerica: Right, because no ground staff EVER rammed a jetway into a plane, rammed a fuel truck into a wing, rammed a catering truck into the fuse, pushed one
34 BA: I'm not sure what you mean, but it is dark blue underneath. It is certainly a United 757 and not a Ted A320. Here are the news pictures:
35 GreenArc: Well, that is just plain incorrect. I operated a 757 through that very gate last evening and the aircraft was loaded and unloaded using both jetways
36 Phelpsie87: Not only is it longer, higher, and not painted in Ted colors, take a look at the main gear...tell me when A320's got 4 tires per strut. You must be t
37 Scorpy: ah yes thanks. bit of a stupid mistake to make.
38 Graphic: This was pretty much only a matter of time, IMO. I'll bet that wing is damaged alot worse than it looks, probably going to need some serious spar insp
39 ChinaClipper40: Dual jetways that simultaneously serve both front and rear aircraft doors have been in use at European, Middle East, Asian, and Australasian airports
40 Cactus739: Here's the other side of the aircraft....you can see all the firetrucks around it and the tape blocking off the area....I couldn't get near it on the
41 Sking11: Here are a couple more closer views of the actual wing and bridge on it.
42 Ua777222: And those were the only carriers who ordered the aircraft in that configuration. I think it was for short field take offs or for rough runways, don't
43 Graphic: That's a bent wing spar, and that plane is probably done for good
44 Zvocio79: that hurts...........the article says that it was a structural failure, but then it says that a malfunctioning sensor caused the accident........weird
45 Geo772: The problem with an incident like this is that the wing is not designed to take the load of something sitting on top of it. Although there might be on
46 SLCUT2777: Thats one 752 UA won't have to paint in the new livery then, and some obvious spare parts for the remainder of their fleet as well as one that FedEx
47 Flyorski: Well, I guess it's safe to say that plane will not be flying again. I think that things like this would not happen, if UA just has the rear door contr
48 GlobalDreams: It arrived as flight UA965 from BOS & was planned to be UA1194 to LGA. The flight was not canceled. UA1194 operated 32 minutes late using a different
49 BA: DIA did not want these automated jet bridges as they were skeptical of their reliability due to their complexity. It was United that insisted on retr
50 Antonovman: This is true, I remember seeing my first ones in Amsterdam amost 30 years ago, but what is the 'automated" jetways mentioned a few times on here, are
51 Flyorski: Yes, they are controlled bye lasers finding the aircraft door, and then computers directing the jet way too the aircraft. The computer failed, of may
52 Mattnrsa: You most likely saw a 757 being tested on the gate. 737s and A319s have also been tested, but, so far, A320s can go on all gates, and 757s can go on
54 Hoya: Ouch, that's one of their newest 757s, delivered in early 1998. Let's hope it's not a write-off.
55 Yellowstone: I just flew through DEN last night, though I didn't see anything of this incident. I did see the dual jetbridge thing though, on gate B15 and whatever
56 SLCUT2777: Kind of like that automated baggage system that chewed-up luggage that is now gone? BTW, that was another Utah based company (forget who it was) that
57 Mkorpal: I wonder what they will do if it's determined that they are all unsafe and need to go back to the way they were. That would probably screw up more tha
58 BosWashSprStar: And indeed, DL still unloads the Shuttle through the drop-down rear staircase in the MD-80s, and US unloads through a wheeled-up staircase to the sid
59 MD80fanatic: And you people wanted automated freighters?
61 UnknownUser: Wow, my mistake. Suppose it has been close to a year since I passed through DEN.
62 Copter808: Actually, I think you'll find the opposite to be true. Computers are actually far more reliable than humans--once they are properly set up and mainta
63 RDUDDJI: I don't have Unimatic running, but I believe that's an Over Water 57, and it might be one of the ETOPS 57's. Ouch.
64 ADiZzy: It looks as if it just came to rest on the wing of the 757. It does not seems as if the wing was carrying any extra weight on it. If that is true mayb
66 InnocuousFox: I agree... it was the cantilevered design that bailed. This was going to happen regardless of the control system. Which is a pretty ignorant thing to
67 Graphic: The wing was definetly carrying the weight of the extension.
68 Airbazar: For all the naysayers out there, there's nothing wrong with the design of the "over-wing" jet bridge. It's been used for years at different airports a
69 InnocuousFox: Uh... those are supported at both ends... not just one. There IS a limit to how far you can go in ONE direction depending on the strength of the supp
70 Glideslope: Does anyone know how long the weight was on the wing? Would it make a difference?
71 FriendlySkies: The most significant damage occurred when the bridge hit the wing, probably causing the spar to bend (or possibly fracture). Length of time on the wi
72 AviatorTJ: Hopefully UA takes the advise of the a.net structural engineers and writes this plane off. Based on the pictures, there is no possible way this plane
73 LeonB1985: Wow, aged 13-15 and an expert on aircraft maintenace!
75 ADiZzy: I think the we are not giving the 757 wing enough credit for how much weight it can actually carry. I think that the damage will not be as much as eve
76 UnitedFlyer: anyone know what the extent of the damage to the 757 is?
77 Christao17: Nope, nobody actually knows... but many are willing to speculate regardless of their qualifications!
78 Phelpsie87: Smart guy huh? Haha, well, I do stand corrected, but I am sure you realize that I meant UA. But thanks for the heads up.
79 Zenarcade: Arent wing spars designed to flex or is this only upward to accomodate forces produced by lift?
80 Graphic: Actually all you asked was to see an A320 with double bogeys, i believe when you said "Show me an A320 with double bogeys." So I did. TED/UA was nowh
81 Robsawatsky: Well, try a cable-stayed or various other cantilever bridge designs or dozens of other structural designs using cantilevers then. It isn't as if mech
82 ADent: Commercial A/C are designed to at least +2.8 and -1.0 g. So the each wing half is designed to take at least 1/2 the MTOW - but it has to be evenly sp
83 Limojet: Any updates on the condition of this aircraft?
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