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LAB Lloyd A Boliviano Suspends All Flights ToSpain  
User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

The LAB flights to Spain, using a Lockheed L1011-500 operated by Globejet airlines (registration OD-ZEE), were suspended this week. Bad financial situation of Lloyd Areo Boliviano is the main reason, leaving hundreds of stranded passengers, specially in Bolivia.

The managers of LAB are now in prison due to this problem. It will be a pity not to see the L1011 anymore here in Madrid. But it seems that in 15 days the operations might continue with another aircraft.

The situation is actually a huge problem for many of these passengers, as most of them want to enter the European Union before April 1st, when a visa will be required for all Bolivian citizens. The illegal Bolivian immigration had a sharp increase during the last three years in Spain. During the last months, more than 1.000 Bolivians arrived at Madrid Barajas airport every day as tourists, but with the intention of staying in Spain "illegally" and hoping to find a job or a "better life"

In Spanish:

http://www.lostiempos.com/noticias/30-03-07/30_03_07_eco2.php

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/lat/6996092.html

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/218717/0/espana/bolivianos/crucero/

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Thread starter):
The LAB flights to Spain, using a Lockheed L1011-500 operated by Globejet airlines (registration OD-ZEE), were suspended this week. Bad financial situation of Lloyd Areo Boliviano is the main reason, leaving hundreds of stranded passengers, specially in Bolivia.

I'm surprised LB is still operating at all, especially after last year's financial problems and when their 767s were repossessed due to lack of payment. Even with the L-1011 ACMI, I didn't think this would last as long as it did.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

I'm suprised they even got off the ground with that flight!!!

Talking about taking risks....... Someone would have to be in completely mad to fly in an airline such as LAB.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 5734 times:

I live within 10 minutes of IAD airport. I see their 727s often. Its sad that they are the only airline still operating the 727 passenger version into IAD. LAB needs an injection of fresh cash, and better management. I do wish them well.

User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 2):
Someone would have to be in completely mad to fly in an airline such as LAB

Actually, they have an excellent safety record. Also their maintance facilities are well renowed in the region.


User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

I second that! I have flown on them several times within South America, and never thought twice about my safety, compared to any other airline. Service is good, and aircraft are very clean, although old. I say to all who want to experience what avaition used to be like, fly LAB while you still have the chance! Given the conditions they operate in (LPB at 13,000 feet ASL, and many other airports with considerable restrictions), I think their safety record is outstanding. Before calling their pax crazy, do some real research to back up your claim.

User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1320 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
I live within 10 minutes of IAD airport. I see their 727s often. Its sad that they are the only airline still operating the 727 passenger version into IAD. LAB needs an injection of fresh cash, and better management. I do wish them well.

I see them often too, and if I'm not mistaken (I'd have to be crazy, in fact, as I've taxied right past them), they've got blended winglets. Never seen that on 727s in person anywhere else.


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

does this mean that they will enter some sort of bankruptcy plan and then maybe go out of business? i would hate to see their 727s gone.....


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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

Quoting Mason (Reply 5):
I second that! I have flown on them several times within South America, and never thought twice about my safety, compared to any other airline. Service is good, and aircraft are very clean, although old. I say to all who want to experience what avaition used to be like, fly LAB while you still have the chance! Given the conditions they operate in (LPB at 13,000 feet ASL, and many other airports with considerable restrictions), I think their safety record is outstanding. Before calling their pax crazy, do some real research to back up your claim.

I meant that this pax would be crazy to buy a ticket from LAB considering the past problems the airline has been facing lately, specially on a flight to Madrid, which is not served by it's own aircraft. Pretty risky, I'd say!!!! The chances of not embarking are quite high!! Just look at what happen with Air Madrid!!!


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5257 times:



Funny video that portrays the situation on LAB's flights. The passengers were complaining because the flight had been stranded in Fortaleza, Brazil, for four-hours without having permission to leave the aircraft. LAB's Madrid - Santa Cruz de la Sierra, always made a technical stop in Fortaleza to pick up extra fuel, so I pressume that either the plane went techinical or they had problems paying for fuel for their final leg to Bolivia.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5235 times:
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Quoting Latinplane (Reply 9):
Funny video that portrays the situation on LAB's flights

Not to bad looking interior really for such an old aircraft. I notice that the IFE displays are fairly new.

I'll also comment that the passengers seemed to be less anxious about being filmed than people in other countries.

Thanks for sharing the video.

kev.



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Thread starter):
The situation is actually a huge problem for many of these passengers, as most of them want to enter the European Union before April 1st, when a visa will be required for all Bolivian citizens. The illegal Bolivian immigration had a sharp increase during the last three years in Spain. During the last months, more than 1.000 Bolivians arrived at Madrid Barajas airport every day as tourists, but with the intention of staying in Spain "illegally" and hoping to find a job or a "better life"

I was curious why it took so long for Spain to revoke visa-free privilege for Bolivians (3+ years) as the number of illegal residents has increased 18 fold in the last 4 years. If I'm one of those trying to get in, I'd not wait til the end of March.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 11):
I was curious why it took so long for Spain to revoke visa-free privilege for Bolivians (3+ years) as the number of illegal residents has increased 18 fold in the last 4 years. If I'm one of those trying to get in, I'd not wait til the end of March.

Actually it is the European Union who has to decide about this. Already in July 2006, the Commission of the European Communities proposed the visa requirement for Bolivian citizens (But it always takes a while until such a measure is introduced).

The European Commission said last year:

Quote:
...the information received points to persistent and intense migratory pressure from Bolivia. The effect is being felt in the large number of refoulements at the external borders and in expulsions in several Member States. Nor can the public policy dimension be neglected since detention orders and convictions of Bolivians for criminal offences and illegal immigration are also rising. In addition, nationals of Latin American countries subject to the visa requirement are seeking to circumvent the requirement by fraudulently acquiring Bolivian passports. For all these reasons, the Commission believes that there are good grounds, in view of the criteria in recital 5 to Regulation (EC) No 539/2001, for proposing to transfer Bolivia from Annex II to Annex I.

Source: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...v.do?uri=COM:2006:0084:FIN:EN:HTML


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5062 times:
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Quoting IberiaA319 (Thread starter):
The LAB flights to Spain, using a Lockheed L1011-500 operated by Globejet airlines (registration OD-ZEE), were suspended this week. Bad financial situation of Lloyd Areo Boliviano is the main reason, leaving hundreds of stranded passengers, specially in Bolivia.

As Gabriel Garcia Marquez said in one of it's books, this situation was "La Cronica de una Muerte Anunciada" (Chronicle of a Death Foretold).

When LB lose it's 763 and sustitute them with L15 equipment, adding to this situation the very old domestic fleet and the decision of the Bolivian Government to make Aerosur the new Flag Carrier (according with Bolivian sources), all the signs indicated that this carrier had counted days.

I will miss one of the last 727 carriers in beautiful colours.



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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 7):
does this mean that they will enter some sort of bankruptcy plan



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
all the signs indicated that this carrier had counted days.

Hi Gerard, how are you doing? Currently LAB is in bankruptcy and it seems that it might not last for long. Even the Lloyd Aereo Boliviano employees have not received their salaries for almost a year, a terrible situation for them.

Quoting in Spanish:

Quote:
El representante de la Central Obrera Boliviana, Sósimo Paniagua, quien estuvo en la reunión junto a los trabajadores del Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano, expresó su esperanza porque se logre una solución, especialmente para los trabajadores, quienes no reciben sueldo desde hace 11 meses.

http://www.lostiempos.com/noticias/30-03-07/30_03_07_eco2.php


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 7):
i would hate to see their 727s gone.....

With the current suspension of all scheduled operations (which was decided by the Bolivian authorities this weekend due to their bad financial situation and the cancelled flights), LAB will probably shutdown very soon. Only charter flights are currently allowed.

With a huge debt of over 140 million US dollar, some of their managers in prison, open lawsuits and with the Bolivian Government with no intention to help this airline it won't be easy for LAB.

In Spanish:

http://latino.msn.com/finanzas/notic...clepage.aspx?cp-documentid=4597730


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:
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Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 15):
With the current suspension of all scheduled operations (which was decided by the Bolivian authorities this weekend due to their bad financial situation and the cancelled flights), LAB will probably shutdown very soon. Only charter flights are currently allowed

God! I believe the visa restriction become the last fact that make LAB life even shorter. Reduced demand to MAD is another problem that Bolivia will face, and also the fact that it become a country non friendly for foreign investment.

Felipe



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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
live within 10 minutes of IAD airport. I see their 727s often. Its sad that they are the only airline still operating the 727 passenger version into IAD. LAB needs an injection of fresh cash, and better management. I do wish them well.

What's the routing for the IAD flight you know? Seems a pretty long distance for a 727! Even the MEX flight had like two stops if I recall correctly

Quoting IADCA (Reply 6):
they've got blended winglets

They are not that blended, they look more like the MD-11 style winglets. Aviacsa's 727 also had the same kind of winglets.



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User currently offlineCbartolucci From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 17):
What's the routing for the IAD flight you know?

With the 727 it's either VVI-PTY-MIA-IAD or VVI-MAO-CCS-MIA-IAD or if LAB is flying the 767 it's VVI-MIA-IAD.


User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 17):
What's the routing for the IAD flight you know? Seems a pretty long distance for a 727! Even the MEX flight had like two stops if I recall correctly

When I took LAB to Argentina, the flight routing was: MEX-PTY-VVI-EZE (Connecting in VVI). On the way back our splendid 727 had a problem with the WX radar so we had to go back to VVI, and afetr aprox 5 hours of negotiations another 727 was asigned to us. That plane was all Y and a different version that couldn´t reach PTY nonstop, so we had to make an extra stop at CLO. Big nightmare, but at leat I was riding on the best plane ever.


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting Olli (Reply 19):
so we had to make an extra stop at CLO

At least I get an explanation for this!


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
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:5L747 VVI-MAD 05:50 23:30 310

Aerosur still operates wet-leased A7 equipment? Aerosur not flies 747 equipment?



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):

God! I believe the visa restriction become the last fact that make LAB life even shorter. Reduced demand to MAD is another problem that Bolivia will face, and also the fact that it become a country non friendly for foreign investment.

The demand for the Bolivia - Spain market is expected to shrink 90% now that the visa restriction has taken effect. This was one of LAB's most profitable routes, as well as AeroSur's. I hope that AeroSur obtains its own aircraft such as a 767 or A310 and fly the route now that they won't be needing the wet-leased 747-200 from Air Plus.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

According to La Razon, all LAB flights have been suspended from 31 March.
http://www.la-razon.com/versiones/20070402_005864/nota_248_409502.htm


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

Its the beginning of the end. They wont be missed.


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25 LASOctoberB6 : that makes no sense to me, if my employer doesnt pay me on payday, theyll be out of an employee and ill be lookin fer a new job.....how is that possi
26 Post contains images RootsAir : This definitely reminds me of the day I was catching a flight from La Paz to Lima. In the check in counters you could see Bolivian passengers with at
27 PHKLM : I don't know whether you have ever been to Bolivia, but the country is extremely poor and jobs -especially high paid ones- aren't easy to come by. Th
28 LipeGIG : Thanks for the info LatinPlane, seems that LAB days are counted ! And agree with you, now the route will demand a daily 762 or A310 but no more than
29 Post contains images RootsAir : Do you think that a codeshare with IB could be possible ?
30 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : HAHAHA funny video of the GlobeJet L1011! The guy at the end asks the pax "estamos todos felices de volar por Lloyd"? (aren't we all happy to fly with
31 123 : Last time I saw it was March 27th on the VVI tarmac - I don´t know if it is still there or not. Actually the 721 of 5L is not flying since long, yet
32 Eastern023 : Both statements are true. However, the airline has never been great. Not great service, always late. I live in Northern Virginia, right next to Dulle
33 Post contains images LatinPlane : And your username is that of Eastern Airlines!!! Go figure. ~~I just watched a report on CNN en Espanol on how LAB's shutdown has affected many passe
34 LTU932 : So, LB has folded for good or is that just an auction to keep themselves afloat for a while?
35 123 : Always late? Not quite so, I think their schedule was kept fairly well and that is why I prefer(ed) them for flights within Bolivia. Don´t forget th
36 Post contains links and images 123 : As per "Los Tiempos" today: confirmó que el SIN gravó a su favor el logo, que incluye su sigla, para garantizar que en caso de un remate o intento d
37 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3343968/
38 Eastern023 : I'm sorry, is this comment based on the fact that they folded?.....True, but I would not compare EA to LB. Okay, maybe in Bolivia.
39 MIAMIx707 : lol that was great... Thanks 123 for the info, I assume that 5L 727-100 was the green with the purple and billboard letters right? Truly a gorgeous c
40 123 : By the way what are the chances that 5L 747 flight will continue? As per yesterdays information in some newspapers, 5L is investing USD 100 million to
41 Kiramakora : I will miss it for sure. LAB was a great airline; a pioneer in the region that survived against a lot of operating odds. Having flown with them, I ca
42 Aviateur : That's an annoying comment. I discuss LAB in my book, actually, and have mentioned the company in my column many times. "LAB is one of the world's ol
43 Post contains images MD90fan : Too bad. I remember they were looking at flights to PUJ
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