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American Eagle May Begin DFW-ROW  
User currently offlineWTXJET From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 23 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Good news for those in Southeast New Mexico.

http://www.flyroswell.com/index.php?..._content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=1.

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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

I guess they chose ROW over Alamogordo(ALM) because ALM is only 80 miles from ELP so keeping local traffic would be difficult. ROW and Carlsbad are quite isolated so service by any carrier is probably welcomed with open arms.

Quoting WTXJET (Thread starter):
Good news for those in Southeast New Mexico.

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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting WTXJET (Thread starter):
Good news for those in Southeast New Mexico.

Absolutely.

American Eagle also had plans to fly into Ruidoso (RUI), but the service never materialized. I hope that doesn't happen with ROW.

http://www.ruidosonow.com/articles/ruidoso_waco_trib.htm



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3342 times:

Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3338 times:

Any chance of AA Eagle restarting some of its DFW-Midwest routes like DFW-RST/GRB/TOL??

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 2):
American Eagle also had plans to fly into Ruidoso (RUI), but the service never materialized. I hope that doesn't happen with ROW.

Perhaps the service was merely hi-jacked by a UFO!  biggrin  Operated by some alien from far off in outer space!  laughing 



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3307 times:

I don't think there is any question that Eagle could probably make DFW-ROW work, but I question whether it will be economically viable long-term if operated with RJs? If Eagle sent 2-3 SAABs, I don't think there would be any problem, but I am not sure if a market as small and undeveloped as Roswell can support the operating costs of regional jets, even if the route is subsidized or supported.

User currently offlineBDL2STL2PVG From China, joined Jun 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
will be economically viable long-term if operated with RJs? If Eagle sent 2-3 SAABs,

Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that popular.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting BDL2STL2PVG (Reply 7):
Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that popular.

Theyre not going to send a saab on a 3 hour flight.


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Damn I was hoping they would come my way in SAF. Well we have ABQ not far away so I guess the folks in ROW need it more.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

This would be thanks to a SCASD grant given to ROW to attract either American Eagle to DFW or Continental Express to IAH.

I'd also note though, that Mesa/Air Midwest has said it may need to pull out of ROW if it is successful in attracting jet service, as Mesa/Air Midwest anticipates its passenger levels to drop in that instance.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 10):
I'd also note though, that Mesa/Air Midwest has said it may need to pull out of ROW if it is successful in attracting jet service, as Mesa/Air Midwest anticipates its passenger levels to drop in that instance.

I think that is probably an astute asumption on Mesa's part. If they're offering a few flights per day with 19-seat props with no lavs to ABQ, while Eagle will be offering two daily flights on 44-seat jets with leather seats (and lavs!) to the world's second largest hub, Mesa may face a bit of a competition problem. That being said, I'd hate to see ROW put all its eggs in the Eagle basket because, after six months, if Eagle gets insecure and leaves (talk to DLH) ROW will then be left with no service.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Actually, when Eagle came to FMN, YV increased their service (and at the time were already running 11 flts a day to ABQ, 10 a day (UAX) to DEN, and 6 a day (HPX) to PHX). If I recall, they added 1 each to the hubs, and an HPX daily to LAS on an Brasilia (in response to the Eagle flts that operated FMN-LAS-LAX). Who knows, maybe ROW will come out ahead....

If nothing elese, YV loves a monopoly.

[Edited 2007-03-31 21:41:00]

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 9):
Damn I was hoping they would come my way in SAF. Well we have ABQ not far away so I guess the folks in ROW need it more.

It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF. Anyone have an explanation as to why?



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF. Anyone have an explanation as to why?

1. too close to ABQ and WN fares

2. Isnt there a limit on aircraft size that can serve SAF, like 30 seats?


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting BDL2STL2PVG (Reply 7):
Would the SAABs be more economical? This would probably be the longest stage length for the SAAB Eagle network - this is probably just under a 600 mile flight (DFW-ELP is 550) Even if they were more economical, I do not know if a 3 hour ride on a SF-340 would be that pop

No, if there is a larger demand, a ERJ would be fine. A Q400 would be most economical, if Eagle ever gets them.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting Travatl (Reply 3):
Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.

What year did service start and end? I don't recall AA offering this service recently.



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

It was in the mid-90s. First with SAABs, then with ATR-72s, then back to SAABs...

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
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Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
Quoting Travatl (Reply 3):
Hope it works out better than the much touted American Eagle service in FMN (Farmington, NM in the northwest corner of the state). Service ended after a year.

What year did service start and end? I don't recall AA offering this service recently.

My tt indicate New service to Farmington began 9/7/1994 and was discontinued sometime before 9/6/1995. The city is shown, but no schedule to there in 9/6/95 timetable.

They had an 0700 FMN-AMA-DFW SF3 and also an 0730 FMN-LAS-LAX S3.
I always assumed this service was to exchange SF3 aircraft between DFW and LAX hubs and little else.

As a sidenote, I have thought that a ROW-PHX nonstop would do okay,as well.

[Edited 2007-04-01 00:13:52]


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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
I guess they chose ROW over Alamogordo(ALM) because ALM is only 80 miles from ELP so keeping local traffic would be difficult.

Well, ALM has YV's 1900D's coming in there which is a change. They did it for the longest time and they stopped in 2001 (I think). I know they left sometime between 2001 and 2002. Westwind used to service ALM and LRU with PC-12's a few years ago but they went belly up I think. They were trying to get another PC-12 to service LRU-GUP-PHX but that never materialized.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
My tt indicate New service to Farmington began 9/7/1994 and was discontinued sometime before 9/6/1995. The city is shown, but no schedule to there in 9/6/95 timetable.

Thanks, I had no idea AA ever served FMN. Just goes to show you what you'll find out when you ask questions.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5842 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

DFW-ROW is only 379 miles as the crow flies. That's only a 1:50 hop at most.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
I think that is probably an astute asumption on Mesa's part. If they're offering a few flights per day with 19-seat props with no lavs to ABQ, while Eagle will be offering two daily flights on 44-seat jets with leather seats (and lavs!) to the world's second largest hub

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I always wondered why YV didn't offer through ticketing on their intra-New Mexico ABQ-XXX flights (xxx being your favorite station in NM). It's not like the locals could afford to pay what Mesa was charging for their flights...so they never attracted anyone but the business traveller on these flights. If they connected with the majors at ABQ, I think it would have been a different story...

Of course, Orenstien found his goldmine by doing the regional flying for HP, and then doing UA.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
Theyre not going to send a saab on a 3 hour flight.



Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
It still shocks me that more airlines don't serve SAF

I remember an airline, think it was LoneStar flying 328s between DFW and Santa Fe around 2000.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Regarding SAF. Airfield elevation is 6300ft and the longest rwy is 8300ft. Weight restrictions come into play because of the high altitude. Mountain Air Express (MAXair) did serve ABQ-SAF-DEN on a code share for WestPac just before their demise, but I dont recall Lone Star serving SAF, they did however have svc from SRR (Ruidoso) to DFW with a stop at either ABI or MAF, and one point I think they also served ROW. Besides YV ROW had TransColorado In the 80s whose flts were to ELP and ABQ, but you still have to connect just to get to a hub and then go on. Eagle might pull this off if its marketed well to all of Southeastern NM. People in CNM and HOB will be happier to simply drive to ROW instead of the 4hrs it takes to drive to ABQ, ELP, MAF or LBB. This will be intresting to watch.


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25 Commavia : I know that in 1997 Lone Star/Aspen Mountain Air flew from DFW to Santa Fe, Aspen and Del Rio as a codeshare with American. I think, though, that the
26 ABQopsHP : Isnt the FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) training school in ROW, or Chaves county? Right now those guys come up to ABQ to fly out.
27 Brons2 : I wonder if there would be any potential for putting together ski packages to Ski Apache with this service together. Yes I know, it's not Colorado, bu
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