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Flight Attendant Brings Gun On Plane  
User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

Just saw this on CNN:

Apparently an off-duty flight attendant brought a concealed handgun through security and onto an airplane at ATL. She was "detained" at IAD.

No online source as of yet.


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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10773 times:

what airline?


....


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Quoting Travatl (Reply 1):
what airline?

They didn't say, but either DL or UA I'm sure.



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User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Hey Guys!

It doesn't really wonder me. I said to a friend some years ago after 9/11, while we were talking about the hig security at airports. That would be the perfect hijacking plan. Just make the Flight attendant education for three month and you have nearly free entry to an airplane and you will be a perfect terrorist. To me this new liquid thing is really anoying. Its also anoying that I don't have metal knives on a plane. If someone really plans it and is good at it, he can blew up or highjack everyplane he wants. I forsee, that one day we all have to fly naked or have to get naked before we go on a plane.  Wink

Okay, enough of dispute.  Smile Lets find out what's behind the news. Any online source yet.

Regards Tom



Tom from Cologne
User currently offlineKearney From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 3):
I forsee, that one day we all have to fly naked or have to get naked before we go on a plane.

Yeah baby im excited!!!...lol...but on a serious note, when it comes to security there are many leaks... and i suspect that 90% of criminal activity at an airport comes from airport employee's, or has a direct link involving one.


User currently offlineMDL412 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

The current security measures are better, but while everyone flying commercial is subject to them, it doesn't take much effort to charter a 747 full of fuel and do what you please with it...

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10557 times:

OK, I've got a source. From CNN.com:

"United Airlines employee arrested for carrying gun on plane

(CNN) -- An off-duty United Airlines flight attendant carried a gun on a United Airlines flight from Atlanta and was arrested after landing at Washington Dulles International Airport on Friday, airport officials said.

Dulles authorities said the employee inadvertently brought the concealed handgun onboard but notified airport officials after landing, CNN affiliate WJLA reported.

TSA spokesman Barry Phelps said the employee was arrested before she went through the security checkpoint in Dulles. He would not identify her.

United Airlines told CNN one of their employees was arrested Friday but declined to further comment.

Phelps said TSA and FBI officials in Washington, D.C. would investigate the incident. (Posted 2:44 a.m.)"

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/31/saturday/index.html

[Edited 2007-03-31 20:03:09]


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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

How do you "inadvertently" bring a concealed weapon anywhere? If someone is so blase and careless with a handgun, they should not be allowed to own one in the first place. And the obvious question is, how the heck did she get it on the aircraft in the first place?

[Edited 2007-03-31 20:45:37]

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 6):
OK, I've got a source. From CNN.com:

"United Airlines employee arrested for carrying gun on plane

(CNN) -- An off-duty United Airlines flight attendant carried a gun on a United Airlines flight from Atlanta and was arrested after landing at Washington Dulles International Airport on Friday, airport officials said.

Can I call CNN on the carpet on the basis that United Airlines does not fly ATL-IAD (it would have been either a Shuttle America or Mesa flight, doing business as United Express)?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
Can I call CNN on the carpet on the basis that United Airlines does not fly ATL-IAD (it would have been either a Shuttle America or Mesa flight, doing business as United Express)?

no.



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 7):
How do you "inadvertently" bring a concealed weapon anywhere? If someone is so blase and careless with a handgun, they should not be allowed to own one in the first place. And the obvious question is, how the heck did she get it on the aircraft in the first place?

Yeah. If it was some small regional airport maybe I'd be a little less concerned, but at ATL? No. It's definitely not supposed to happen. Flight attendants aren't even allowed to have hand guns when they're working, are they?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
Can I call CNN on the carpet on the basis that United Airlines does not fly ATL-IAD (it would have been either a Shuttle America or Mesa flight, doing business as United Express)?

no.



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User currently offlinePacifica From Canada, joined May 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
Can I call CNN on the carpet on the basis that United Airlines does not fly ATL-IAD (it would have been either a Shuttle America or Mesa flight, doing business as United Express)?

obviously by United Airlines they are refering to mainline as well as any and all associated regional partners flying under the banner. quite frankly the average person doesn't know the difference between United Express operated by Mesa and United Airlines, so from a reporting perspective it's better to explain it in a way that people can understand. (no point in having everyone watching the news go "Mesa? I've never heard of them before...")


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9993 times:
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If I was the one who 'inadvertantly' took a gun through security , I sure as hell wouldn't say anything afterwards.

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 3):
Just make the Flight attendant education for three month and you have nearly free entry to an airplane and you will be a perfect terrorist.

Don't know what you are trying to say, but f/a s go thru the same 'wonderful' airport security as any other person flying on an airliner, as far as I see.

Not like 'the good ol' days' when they could just skirt around it like a former USAir f/a in California.

And if one was really intent, with as much $$ as some groups have, just start your own airline and go from there.

[Edited 2007-04-01 00:24:53]


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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

At almost all airports working crew and off duty crew have to go through regular passenger screening. We are exempt from the liquids ban when in uniform though (too impractical for crew to check bags when you have frequent aircraft swaps throughout your workday.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Will she be fired?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
Will she be fired?

MCOflyer

I would imagine the answer to that one is yes.



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User currently offlineStyle From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9820 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 13):
We are exempt from the liquids ban when in uniform though

This is another one that amazes me. So you ban PAX and other employees from bringing liquids through but you allow flight crews to go through with them. In essence what TSA is doing here is saying that they trust crew with liquids but don't trust them when it comes to other objects. Why even bother screening the crew if you are going to make exceptions like these to the rules.

TSA is the biggest joke in the world.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 15):
I would imagine the answer to that one is yes.

Ok. Couldn't she have checked it in?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
Ok. Couldn't she have checked it in?

MCOflyer

If you mean checked the gun as luggage, then I would imagine the answer would be yes, but she has to declare it at check-in and have it go as actual checked luggage. From the sounds of the report, she didn't do either.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting Travatl (Reply 1):
what airline?

Shuttle America. Janet Tucker was a 45-year old flight attendant (presumably mainline, although I could be wrong here), flying in uniform (presumably commuting) on United Express Flight 7591, operated by Shuttle America Friday morning.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9469 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 16):
So you ban PAX and other employees from bringing liquids through but you allow flight crews to go through with them. In essence what TSA is doing here is saying that they trust crew with liquids but don't trust them when it comes to other objects.

You would have to look at the bigger picture here - especially in terms of economics with respect to flight and inflight crews. Even the most frequent flier doesn't fly as much, or (to be more specific) go through security as much. Considering that we are (generally) hygenic humans, we can't afford to *constantly* re-purchase deodorant, toothpaste, and other products that are banned elsewhere. So when it comes to daily necessities, we are exempt. However, exactly how many flight attendants worldwide are trying to smuggle firearms (deliberately or otherwise) onto an airplane? Ahhhh....



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9343 times:

And here I'm feeling guilty about smuggling an extra 1oz container of shampoo outside of my 1 quart zip lock. (TSA in Atlanta doesn't seem to catch it; now I can see why...)

I've said it before, I'll say it again. There is no security on the ground. It is all show, and how and why we haven't had a disaster since 9-11 is totally beyond me. Of course, what that ditz was trying to prove is also totally beyond comprehension. Firing her is not the answer. Drawing and quartering her in public might be a good start, however.

Quoting MDL412 (Reply 5):
it doesn't take much effort to charter a 747 full of fuel and do what you please with it...

Why waste the money? You want to kill scores of people and shut down flying for a while? Buy a rifle, figure out when your local international airport gets the worse backed up crowds BEFORE entering security, and go for it. "Security" guarantees that they are sitting ducks. Thank you Norman Minetta.



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9259 times:

the TSA at its best....


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9245 times:

Hard to believe the experts at the TSA could miss somthing as ambiguous as a....gun.

Perhaps they were too busy confiscating someones deodorant.



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9245 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
experts at the TSA

 rotfl 



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
25 LTBEWR : I would suspect that the TSA isn't as critical in their procedures with flight crews or even off-duty flight crews, figuring such airline persons shou
26 NASBWI : I see the point you're trying to make, but what would be your alternative? Busy period or not, security is security. And there's always going to be a
27 Post contains links and images ATCme : Did you even need to ask... I agree it's a show: they're either really good at acting like bumbling fools or are ones... The liquid ban discussion re
28 N318EA : Maybe she worked P/T for Jim Webb?? With todays salaries I'm suprised she could afford to buy a gun. [Edited 2007-04-01 13:19:40][Edited 2007-04-01 13
29 Post contains links Lostturttle : This is not a matter to be taken lightly, and if it was an "accident" then something is really wrong with our security!. Quite a few cases in which we
30 GeorgiaAME : Anything that allows hoards of people to back up in a crowd in a open access area is much riskier than the screening process. We agree here that secu
31 SLCUT2777 : Back in 1996, the NFL Dallas Cowboys Head Coach Barry Switzer (former Oklahoma Sooners coach 1973-88) got nailed in the security line at DFW for havi
32 Queso : Save it for non-av.
33 DIJKKIJK : Nothing new there. Dont you remember the Air France A300 which got hijacked to entebbe in the 1970s, in which Israeli commandos had to rescue the pas
34 Cschleic : Agreed. The airlines want "seamless" travel, easy connections, single branding with mainline to regional/express partners, and passengers to think of
35 Post contains images OHLHD : I just flew from VIE to OSL and hell yeah the girl on the left side was a stunner but the guy on the right side.... no thanks dont want to see him na
36 OPNLguy : Well, it certainly appears that she tried to do the right thing afterwards. Personally, I think it'd be a shame if she lost her job over it. Her owni
37 Post contains images MtnWest1979 : Oh, I was always under the impression he was off duty FA. Tahnkd for settin' me straight.
38 DeltaAVL : I think the TSA may have finally learned that it's hard as hell to get a liquid back into the toothpaste bottle. It probably saves them a lot of time
39 Jetjack74 : Here in the US, we're still exempt if we're commuting, deadheading so on, and so on at least according to the las security directive we recieved. Tha
40 IAirAllie : No, it is not normal. Deadheading is company business and you may be deadheading into a working flight so checking bags is not an option. Now if they
41 Post contains links SHUPirate1 : He was a just-fired customer service representative, fired from stealing $68 from a drink fund set up by the flight attendants, and used his credenti
42 Jetjack74 : For us at NW, we're still subject to gate screening if we're on a DH segment, but the liquid ban we're still exempt.
43 IAirAllie : I was refering to the liquids ban only not gate screening see below...
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