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Good Routes For 5th Freedom For Canada?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2975 times:

Hello all

I hope my topic makes any sense. I thought we should start a thread regarding 5th freedom departing from Canada for AC and other airlines origintating from Canada. What new routes and or destinations you think would work for airlines in Canada? Doesn't matter if flight start from YYZ, YOW, YUL, YHZ, YVR, etc. We all know we have 5th freedom from UK, US, Germany if I do remember?.. I think any flights into LHR and FRA from Canada would be good for flights to continue to Africa, ASIA and Middle East. As for flying into the States continue to South Pacific and South America.
We all know AC wanting to fly to SYD from YYZ via LAX but that was put on hold. If I do recall in the past AC have the right to fly to JNB from FRA.. any thoughts..

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Best would be YYZ-LAX-AKL...difficult to think of any Mexico or latin markets that would work...i think this 5th freedom thingy is very limited.

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5534 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):

how about YVR-HNL-SYD

User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
how about YVR-HNL-SYD

That route already exists, I was refering to new routes that would benefit using the 5th freedom from Canada?..

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 29477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

I think it's unlikely that AC or any other Canadian carrier will start any 5th freedom services via intermediate points in the USA using their own aircraft. It's more likely that they will code-share on another carrier's services on the sector between the US and the 3rd country.

If not mistaken, if a carrier operated their own aircraft between Canada and any country with an intermediate stop in the US, with 5th freedom rights beyond the US, all through passengers to/from Canada would have to deplane at the US stop and clear security and then reboard for the 2nd sector. That would result in a very unattractive product for passengers travelling to/from Canada. Frequent long lines at security checks at major US airports would also negatively affect on-time performance as the flight obviously couldn't depart until all the through passengers to/from Canada had cleared security and reboarded. It would also mean that passengers of many nationalities travelling to/from Canada would require a US transit visa with all the related expense and red tape simply due to the intermediate stop in the US. These days, most foreigners do everything possible to avoid connecting in the US for that reason, never mind the security hassles and delays.

The ability to serve certain countries beyond the US on a code-share basis may make sense where the traffic doesn't justify nonstop service to/from Canada, but I doubt there will be much if any new direct service via the US using the expanded 5th freedom provisions of the Canada-USA Open Skies agreement.

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