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"Pan Am" IV (BMA) Is Upto Something Again..  
User currently offlineMatt1167 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Well, upon looking at flight schedules on the Boston-Maine Airways website, it appears that they are upto another one of their "tricks" again.

All of their routes and services only go as far out as May 11 (with the exception of ELM-SFB, which, as announced earlier, will end on 4-13). After that, there are no available flights on any routes.

Could this be the real end of this pathetic insult to the name Pan Am, or could it be another "regrouping"?

Any thoughts?

In any case, I would be pretty hesitant to fly on this airline, knowing their tendencies.

27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

They've had their schedule looking like this for a while...the ELM-SFB service has been adding couple of service legs "here and there." It's very sporatic...but I don't think it means the end of anything. I guess we'll have to wait and see...


-Rich


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

I thnk it's just more of the same.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to pull the brand from that guy that owns it? Ugh. He insults the entire industry.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Quoting Matt1167 (Thread starter):

All of their routes and services only go as far out as May 11

Oh no!! I am flying out of HVN on May 14 (on US to PHL and NAS, on my way up I'm arriving in HPN via DCA), and I was really hoping to catch a Blue Ball at the airport!



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
User currently offlineMatt1167 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to pull the brand from that guy that owns it? Ugh. He insults the entire industry.

I completely agree.

A monkey could do a better job running an airline then him. The only thing that Pan Am IV has done thus far through that actually makes any sense was to take the TTN-BED route from USAir, since it actually does happen to be a popular flight for business travellers.

But in all honesty, how many people are going to use a flight which operates once a week between PSM and HVN?

It just doesn't seem to make any sense ..


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Easy guys, you are talking about Travel and Leisure magazine's #10 top domestic airline for 2006. Seriously. And yet that magazine actually thinks they are relevant. As do certain readers when their favorite airline makes their top 10 list...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

I wish that guy would sell the brand somebody with a clue....

For the life of me I cannot understand the reasoning behind running a good into the ground? Is this a new part of the MBA curriculum I am not aware of?



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User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

They have a ridiculous route system. Never made ANY sense.
Cities Dropped as far as I can remember
Tunica
Atlanta
Didn't they want to fly to Canton,OH
Didn't they have Puerto Rico Routes? What happend to them?


User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Does the 727 fly to SFB? I guess it could be one of the few opportunities to fly one in the U.S?

User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

IIRC,they once flew Worcester-Sanford/Orlando. Priced it once..it was more than 300 dollars round trip.--about twice what
a TPA/BOS ticket would cost. Agree with previous posters...t'would be better to have the "blue ball" a sweet memory than to see if bastardized like this....
TPAnx
 banghead 



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 7):
Tunica
Atlanta

The ATL-UTA route actually made sense; it was just poorly executed on the part of Boston Maine. They had a/c sitting at ATL unused on certain days of the week when they weren't running flights out of ATL (Mainly for Vacation Express, but you could book them via the PACC website). UTA was wanting airline service to their newly upgraded airport. Some of the complaints I heard was that the flights were poorly timed in regards to hotel check in/check out and the shuttle service between UTA and the casinos wasn't very good either (That can't be blamed on BMA). But like the airline has done time and time again, they left town with no warning. From what I recall in the thread on them dropping the ATL-UTA service the loads were actually quite decent at the time they dropped service.


User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

there is a long list of cities that Pan Am has served for brief periods of time.

I wonder if Allegiant might one day try service to Tunica.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

The company that bought them is a primarily a rail operator, they bought the brand pimarily for their freight operations.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Railways

they seem to be a large company offering freight service, airline service and also a full FBO offering 727 flight training

seems like an impressive outfit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Systems



short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

they do seem to be selling some of their equipment
http://www.panamservices.com/surp.html

http://www.panamservices.com/images2/Tug.JPG

http://www.panamservices.com/images2/small_tug.JPG

anybody wants to but a small piece of history ???



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

here is the page on theur 727 training program

http://www.727training.com/index.html

here is the lovely calendar featuring trains carrying the pan am logo

http://www.panamrailways.com/



short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4250 times:

Hmmm, but I am on their mailing list and have been getting regular promotional updates, etc. Maybe it is another one of their fuel savings shutdowns?

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4148 times:

What are those ex-US J-31s doing there? Being converted for BMA use, on such great routes as PSM-BED (for the low price of $159)?
-A



What now?
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3694 times:

Looks like they positioned a 727 to ELM this morning to run a ELM-SFB flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXS948

It will be departing as CXS215 to SFB. I wonder how well these flights really do?


User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

They're always positioning a/c around the country for various charter operations. They make some decent money on the charters, which is why they're probably in no hurry to rush those 3 727's back into sked service. It was beginning to look like they were going to really bolster that J31 operation in the northeast....they're hiring crews for these a/c.


-Rich


User currently offlineSacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Maybe they are one of the UFO orders for the 787! Ok maybe not, but they do need some new birds and some new management while they are at it.

User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1772 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Maybe they're getting ready to announce Pan Am V as an actually scheduled airline and not a Charter Operation. Bit I agree, sell the naming rights to someone who can actually run an airline (Like Gordon Bethune!)

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

As a goodwill gesture, maybe they're giving it to Delta.

User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Anyone else hear Juan Trippe spinning in his grave?


Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3722 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 7):
Cities Dropped as far as I can remember
Tunica
Atlanta
Didn't they want to fly to Canton,OH
Didn't they have Puerto Rico Routes? What happend to them?

Also:
Youngstown, OH is the Canton region airport you're thinking of.
Columbus, OH (LCK)
PIE
SJU
BQN

DeltaRules



Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2658 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 23):
Also:
Youngstown, OH is the Canton region airport you're thinking of.
Columbus, OH (LCK)
PIE
SJU
BQN

Also:
ACY
HGR
CBE (although all op by BMA J31's)



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
25 Post contains images PExDCA : " target=_blank>http://www.panamrailways.com/ Seeing that name and logo on a rail car just turns my stomach! The next thing you know, Greyhound will b
26 Matt1167 : ...Pan Am V/IV never operated into ACY. At least .. not scheduled service, anyway.
27 Nkops : BMA operated the J31's into ACY from PSM and BWI.... They only did it to add to the ACY-DCA flight they were contracted to run by the FAA to shuttle
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