EvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
SHANGHAI: Hainan Airlines Co, China’s fourth-largest air carrier, and its parent have set up a regional airline which will buy 100 commercial jets from Brazil’s Embraer by 2012, the Xinhua news agency said on Saturday.
Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.
Xinhua said Grand China, now the country’s largest regional airline, will initially operate on 78 routes linking 54 cities. And by 2012, it will fly on more than 450 routes linking at least 90 cities, taking more than 90 per cent of the domestic regional aviation market, it quoted Hainan Airlines chairman Chen Feng as saying.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 3): Will those planes be made in China or Brazil?
I assume the ERJ's will be made in China, but the E-Jets in Brazil, China has no tooling to assemble those jets. And so far IIRC nothing is known about Embraer opening a production line for E-jets. But this makes 100 ERJ's IIRC for China. A couple of months ago another Chinese carrier bought 50 (can't remember when and which carrier though)
Remcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
Is this the same order that was announced a few months ago? It was an order that was split 50/50 between the ERJ's and the E170/190's, with the ERJ's being assembled in China.
Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
Quoting Remcor (Reply 6): Is this the same order that was announced a few months ago? It was an order that was split 50/50 between the ERJ's and the E170/190's, with the ERJ's being assembled in China
Yes it is... this is really old news!!!!!!!!!!! Suggest the moderators delete this post.
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2833 times:
Quoting EvilForce (Thread starter): Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
Congrats to Embraer and Hainan. The 145 is still in production if my memory serves me right.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1243 times:
The deal is somewhat a mystery to me as the Chinese government lets one of the largest potential customers for the ARJ-21 slip to a foreign manufacturer without really gaining much. The ERJ-145 manufacturing operation is nice, but in terms of technology there is no longer much to gain. For their ambitious plans to build a widebody the Embraer 170 series would be a far more interesting target for licence production with some possible spill-over effects for the ARJ-21.
What is unusual as well: Xinhua indicates that Grand China Express will have a virtual monopoly on regional services, which have been described as " feeder services", which would indicate that they [Hainan] want to set up a large-scale hub-and-spoke operation. That raises the question: why set up a large hub operation when you are by far not having enough long-haul equipment and [apparently] many markets could easily sustain long-hauls with local O&D. Plus that fact that this regional operation will drain much needed pilot resources from the already supposed to be tight market.
Why baffles me even more: there are so many more low-hanging fruit (=A320/B737 routes)all across China, why spend time and money on a regional operation which a) can only be a door-opener for future NB services and b) which is a hub-and-spoke operation with the initiating carrier having close to no resources to actually use this feed [and will likely have only limited WB resources in 2012 as well]?
So: why this order, and why this large? Or is there more to the deal we don´t know?
7cubed From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
Call it what you will, the Chinese will be knocking these off in 10 years and cranking them out like a fake Rolex.
CJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if anything like that happened, though china shouldn't expect any international sales, not with bombardier's new regional c-series jet, and the present popularity of embraer 190-195 series, and the new sukhoi RJ100, and the updates of the 737 models , and the A318, A319.
Lets face it, Their new jet doesn't stand a chance. This should see something of domestic china, and thats about it!!
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