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Hainan Buys 100 Embraer Aircraft  
User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

SHANGHAI: Hainan Airlines Co, China’s fourth-largest air carrier, and its parent have set up a regional airline which will buy 100 commercial jets from Brazil’s Embraer by 2012, the Xinhua news agency said on Saturday.

Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.

Xinhua said Grand China, now the country’s largest regional airline, will initially operate on 78 routes linking 54 cities. And by 2012, it will fly on more than 450 routes linking at least 90 cities, taking more than 90 per cent of the domestic regional aviation market, it quoted Hainan Airlines chairman Chen Feng as saying.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=49244

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8924 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Wow! That's great news!

Congrats to Embraer and Hainan!



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Any links (Chinese or English) to the current Great China website?


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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Thread starter):
from the Brazilian plane maker

Will those planes be made in China or Brazil?



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 3):
Will those planes be made in China or Brazil?

I assume the ERJ's will be made in China, but the E-Jets in Brazil, China has no tooling to assemble those jets. And so far IIRC nothing is known about Embraer opening a production line for E-jets. But this makes 100 ERJ's IIRC for China. A couple of months ago another Chinese carrier bought 50 (can't remember when and which carrier though)



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

That is a great order for Embraer! Big Thumbs up!!!


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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Is this the same order that was announced a few months ago? It was an order that was split 50/50 between the ERJ's and the E170/190's, with the ERJ's being assembled in China.

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 6):
Is this the same order that was announced a few months ago? It was an order that was split 50/50 between the ERJ's and the E170/190's, with the ERJ's being assembled in China

Yes it is... this is really old news!!!!!!!!!!! Suggest the moderators delete this post.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8924 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Quoting Neo (Reply 7):

Yes it is... this is really old news!!!!!!!!!!!

It really is. . . forgot about that order.

When is the first E-190 due to them? Haven't seen anything about it. . .



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Thread starter):
Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.

I thought the ERJ145 was going out of production?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Congrats to Embraer and Hainan. The 145 is still in production if my memory serves me right.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Embraer is sitting on roses. What else can you buy when you need a 100+ seater..

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Old News.


RE: HNA Orders 50 ERJ-145, 50 E190 (by Planemaker Aug 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)

RE: Brazil's Embraer To Sell 90 Jets To Chinese Airlin (by Vector Sep 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)

HNA Orders 50 ERJ-145, 50 E190 (by Mrocktor Aug 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

When will they be delivered?

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
Embraer is sitting on roses. What else can you buy when you need a 100+ seater..

Why, you're forgetting Airbus and its A318, and Boeing's 736.  Wink



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

The deal is somewhat a mystery to me as the Chinese government lets one of the largest potential customers for the ARJ-21 slip to a foreign manufacturer without really gaining much. The ERJ-145 manufacturing operation is nice, but in terms of technology there is no longer much to gain. For their ambitious plans to build a widebody the Embraer 170 series would be a far more interesting target for licence production with some possible spill-over effects for the ARJ-21.

What is unusual as well: Xinhua indicates that Grand China Express will have a virtual monopoly on regional services, which have been described as " feeder services", which would indicate that they [Hainan] want to set up a large-scale hub-and-spoke operation. That raises the question: why set up a large hub operation when you are by far not having enough long-haul equipment and [apparently] many markets could easily sustain long-hauls with local O&D. Plus that fact that this regional operation will drain much needed pilot resources from the already supposed to be tight market.

Why baffles me even more: there are so many more low-hanging fruit (=A320/B737 routes)all across China, why spend time and money on a regional operation which a) can only be a door-opener for future NB services and b) which is a hub-and-spoke operation with the initiating carrier having close to no resources to actually use this feed [and will likely have only limited WB resources in 2012 as well]?

So: why this order, and why this large? Or is there more to the deal we don´t know?



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User currently offline7cubed From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Call it what you will, the Chinese will be knocking these off in 10 years and cranking them out like a fake Rolex.


joe
User currently offlineCJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Quoting 7cubed (Reply 16):

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if anything like that happened, though china shouldn't expect any international sales, not with bombardier's new regional c-series jet, and the present popularity of embraer 190-195 series, and the new sukhoi RJ100, and the updates of the 737 models , and the A318, A319.

Lets face it, Their new jet doesn't stand a chance. This should see something of domestic china, and thats about it!!

[Edited 2007-04-02 22:50:48]


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