EvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4719 times:
SHANGHAI: Hainan Airlines Co, China’s fourth-largest air carrier, and its parent have set up a regional airline which will buy 100 commercial jets from Brazil’s Embraer by 2012, the Xinhua news agency said on Saturday.
Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.
Xinhua said Grand China, now the country’s largest regional airline, will initially operate on 78 routes linking 54 cities. And by 2012, it will fly on more than 450 routes linking at least 90 cities, taking more than 90 per cent of the domestic regional aviation market, it quoted Hainan Airlines chairman Chen Feng as saying.
I assume the ERJ's will be made in China, but the E-Jets in Brazil, China has no tooling to assemble those jets. And so far IIRC nothing is known about Embraer opening a production line for E-jets. But this makes 100 ERJ's IIRC for China. A couple of months ago another Chinese carrier bought 50 (can't remember when and which carrier though)
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3709 times:
Quoting EvilForce (Thread starter): Grand China Express, which was launched in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin on Friday with a 29-strong fleet of 32-seat, Dornier 328-300 jets, will purchase 50 ERJ145s and 50 EMB190s aircraft from the Brazilian plane maker, Xinhua said.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4195 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2119 times:
The deal is somewhat a mystery to me as the Chinese government lets one of the largest potential customers for the ARJ-21 slip to a foreign manufacturer without really gaining much. The ERJ-145 manufacturing operation is nice, but in terms of technology there is no longer much to gain. For their ambitious plans to build a widebody the Embraer 170 series would be a far more interesting target for licence production with some possible spill-over effects for the ARJ-21.
What is unusual as well: Xinhua indicates that Grand China Express will have a virtual monopoly on regional services, which have been described as " feeder services", which would indicate that they [Hainan] want to set up a large-scale hub-and-spoke operation. That raises the question: why set up a large hub operation when you are by far not having enough long-haul equipment and [apparently] many markets could easily sustain long-hauls with local O&D. Plus that fact that this regional operation will drain much needed pilot resources from the already supposed to be tight market.
Why baffles me even more: there are so many more low-hanging fruit (=A320/B737 routes)all across China, why spend time and money on a regional operation which a) can only be a door-opener for future NB services and b) which is a hub-and-spoke operation with the initiating carrier having close to no resources to actually use this feed [and will likely have only limited WB resources in 2012 as well]?
So: why this order, and why this large? Or is there more to the deal we don´t know?
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if anything like that happened, though china shouldn't expect any international sales, not with bombardier's new regional c-series jet, and the present popularity of embraer 190-195 series, and the new sukhoi RJ100, and the updates of the 737 models , and the A318, A319.
Lets face it, Their new jet doesn't stand a chance. This should see something of domestic china, and thats about it!!