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BA Newark To Heathrow Via JFK?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 7873 times:

According to http://flightaware.com, BA 186 that left EWR on 31 March was flightplanned

JFK YAHOO DOVEY 4200N 06000W ... and so on (YAHOO is southeast of Nantucket)

That sounds unlikely, routing a Newark transatlantic departure over the JFK VOR. I can't seem to find the flightaware flight track for that flight-- anybody know if it really did that?

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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 7848 times:

Doesn't look like it according to the flight track - although it's hard to tell since the scale is so small.

It wouldn't be completely unusual though, I've had a few UK-bound departures out of EWR 22R that turned left after takeoff and headed out over Long Island before turning more north. And in any event, it could just have that filed as part of the flight plan but be controlled under ATC vectors for the first portion of the flight.


User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Nope. It's still out of EWR. The filed flghtplan must have had the flight pass over the JFK VOR after departure and on southeast to YAHOO. From the map, it looks like the flight actually used the MERIT departure, rather than what they originally had filed probably due to weather or something else. Looks like they followed this departure to BOS VOR, where they went to their original plan.

N864DA


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

I don't see any reason why not, depending on the altitude.

I can't count the number of times I've passed over IAD to or from DCA.

NS


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

On the return trip from Montreal a couple years ago our Eagle ERJ-135 passed directly over EWR at a pretty low altitude and headed South towards Lower NY Harbor where we made a 180 over the Leonardo section of Monmouth County back towards JFK.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

JFK as in the Kennedy VOR/DME, not JFK airport.

N40 37 58.4 W073 46 17.0

The world of aviation DOES NOT operate in IATA codes.

[Edited 2007-04-02 06:27:36]


A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

The proper filing for "DOVEY" is

EWR..DIXIE.V276.PREPI..OWENZ..LINND..DOVEY

However EWR frequently will rer-route you over MERIT to the north to avoid arrivals to JFK/EWR from the south in the WATRS region.

Unless it was in the middle of the night I don't see a EWR dept flying over JFK.

Remember that you can file any route but that doesn't meen you will get it.


User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

I bet it has to do with the NAT used.

Due to so many departures out of the NYC area, pilots have to file 'shortcuts' in order to reduce departure delays. If you look here at the 'shortcut advisories' for departures out of EWR of April 1:

AIRCRAFT DEPARTING EWR PLEASE FILE THE FOLLOWING TO MINIMIZE
DEPARTURE DELAYS GOING TO EUROPE:
TRACK R/ EWR..GREKI..JUDDS..MARTN..QUBIS.N211C.YDP.TRAKR
TRACK S/ EWR..GREKI..JUDDS..MARTN..QUBIS.N197C.HO.TRAKS
TRACK T/ EWR..GREKI..JUDDS..MARTN..TAFFY.N177C.FOXXE.TRAKT
TRACK U/ EWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..TOPPS.N161E.VALIE.TRAKU
TRACK V/ EWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..TOPPS.N149B.STEAM.TRAKV
TRACK W/ EWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..EBONY.N135B.REDBY.TRAKW
TRACK X/ EWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..BOS..WHALE.N23E.JAROM..BOBTU.TRAKX
TRACK Y/ EWR..DIXIE.V276.PREPI..OWENZ..LINND..DOVEY.TRAKY

I'm not sure since I couldn't find the NATs for that specific day, but my guess is they were filed from EWR directly to the JFK VOR and from there on to their north atlantic track.



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