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BA Newark To Heathrow Via JFK?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 7224 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

According to http://flightaware.com, BA 186 that left EWR on 31 March was flightplanned

JFK YAHOO DOVEY 4200N 06000W ... and so on (YAHOO is southeast of Nantucket)

That sounds unlikely, routing a Newark transatlantic departure over the JFK VOR. I can't seem to find the flightaware flight track for that flight-- anybody know if it really did that?

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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

Doesn't look like it according to the flight track - although it's hard to tell since the scale is so small.

It wouldn't be completely unusual though, I've had a few UK-bound departures out of EWR 22R that turned left after takeoff and headed out over Long Island before turning more north. And in any event, it could just have that filed as part of the flight plan but be controlled under ATC vectors for the first portion of the flight.

User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

Nope. It's still out of EWR. The filed flghtplan must have had the flight pass over the JFK VOR after departure and on southeast to YAHOO. From the map, it looks like the flight actually used the MERIT departure, rather than what they originally had filed probably due to weather or something else. Looks like they followed this departure to BOS VOR, where they went to their original plan.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

I don't see any reason why not, depending on the altitude.

I can't count the number of times I've passed over IAD to or from DCA.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17593 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

On the return trip from Montreal a couple years ago our Eagle ERJ-135 passed directly over EWR at a pretty low altitude and headed South towards Lower NY Harbor where we made a 180 over the Leonardo section of Monmouth County back towards JFK.

Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

JFK as in the Kennedy VOR/DME, not JFK airport.

N40 37 58.4 W073 46 17.0

The world of aviation DOES NOT operate in IATA codes.

[Edited 2007-04-02 06:27:36]

User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

The proper filing for "DOVEY" is


However EWR frequently will rer-route you over MERIT to the north to avoid arrivals to JFK/EWR from the south in the WATRS region.

Unless it was in the middle of the night I don't see a EWR dept flying over JFK.

Remember that you can file any route but that doesn't meen you will get it.

User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

I bet it has to do with the NAT used.

Due to so many departures out of the NYC area, pilots have to file 'shortcuts' in order to reduce departure delays. If you look here at the 'shortcut advisories' for departures out of EWR of April 1:


I'm not sure since I couldn't find the NATs for that specific day, but my guess is they were filed from EWR directly to the JFK VOR and from there on to their north atlantic track.

Why is 10 afraid of 7? Because 7 8 9.
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