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On This Date, 20 Years Ago, Western/Delta Merged  
User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 329 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Western Airlines (WA/WAL/Western) merged with Delta Air Lines (DL/DAL/Delta).

From Wikipedia.org:

Western Airlines (IATA: WA, ICAO: WAL, and Callsign: Western) was a large airline based in California, with operations throughout the Western United States, and hubs at Los Angeles International Airport and Salt Lake City International Airport.

History

Western Air Express

In 1925, the United States Postal Service began to give airlines contracts to carry air mail all around the country. The company first incorporated in 1925 as Western Air Express by Harris Hanshue. It applied for, and was awarded, the 650-mile long Contract Air Mail Route #4 (CAM-4) from Salt Lake City, Utah to Los Angeles. In April of 1926, Western's first flight took place with a Douglas M-2 airplane. It began offering passenger services a month later, when The first commercial passenger flight took place at Woodward Field. Ben F. Redman (then president of the Salt Lake City Chamber of Commerce) and J.A. Tomlinson perched atop U.S. mail sacks and flew with pilot C.N. "Jimmy" James on his regular eight-hour mail delivery flight to Los Angeles. This was the first regularly scheduled passenger airline service in U.S. History.

Transcontinental & Western Airlines

The company reincorporated in 1928 as Western Air Express Corp. Then, in 1930, purchased Standard Airlines, subsidiary of Aero Corp. of Ca. founded in 1926 by Paul E. Richter, Jack Frye and Walter Hamilton. WAE with Fokker aircraft merged with Transcontinental Air Transport to form TWA.

General Airlines

Western Air Transport soon broke off from TWA's structure, and in 1934, changed its name to General Airlines. There is still an ongoing battle between Western Airlines and Eastern Airlines.

Western Airlines

In 1941 General changed its name back to Western Airlines. After World War II, Western expanded into a large regional airline, introducing service on the Lockheed Constellation, Douglas DC-6, and Lockheed Electra. It merged in 1967 with Pacific Northern Airlines and in the late 60s pushed for an all-jet fleet, adding Boeing 707s, 727s and 737s to its fleet of Boeing 720s. In 1973 it added McDonnell Douglas DC-10s.

Western Airlines was headquartered in Los Angeles, California. Its major hubs were at LAX and Salt Lake City, Utah and smaller hubs in Las Vegas, Nevada and Denver, Colorado.

On October 31, 1979, Western Airlines Flight 2605 crashed while landing at Benito Juarez International Airport in Mexico City. The crew of the DC-10 had landed on the wrong runway and impacted with construction vehicles.

At its peak in the 1970s and 1980s, Western Airlines flew to many cities across the American Southwest and to various spots in Mexico, Alaska, Hawaii and Canada, while keeping a large intra-state route structure in its home state of California. It began flights from Anchorage and Denver to London Gatwick Airport in 1981. As it extended its eastern network to such airports as Washington-Dulles and Boston-Logan, it became a prominent sponsor of the Bob Barker television show The Price is Right, to try to make customers from the East more aware of its presence.

Delta Air Lines

In the early 1980s, Air Florida tried to buy Western Airlines, but it was able to purchase only 16 percent of the airline's stock. Finally, on September 9, 1986 Western Airlines was bought by Delta Air Lines, and it merged fully into that airline on April 1, 1987. After the merge, Delta eventually released the name Western Airlines.

Advertising

Western can also be noted for contributing to popular culture with its 1960s advertising slogan, "It's the oooooonly way to fly!" Spoken by the Wally Bird, an animated bird hitching a ride aboard the fuselage of a Western airliner, and voiced by veteran actor Jim Backus, the phrase soon found its way into animated cartoons by Warner Bros. and Hanna-Barbera. Another famous advertising campaign by the airline centered on Star Trek icons William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy.

During the 1970's, they promoted themselves as "the champagne airline" because champagne was offered free of charge to every adult passenger over 21 years old.


May it's rich history endure with Delta Air Lines.

[r][o][n]
Western DC-10-10


Western Airlines - The Only Way To Fly
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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

I was just researching WA on departedflights.com. The webmaster there just put up a 1973 WA system timetable. It's a good thing Jerry's still around, otherwise SLC would be as much a part of DL as DFW is right now. Nothing. The DL/WA merger was the best of all the consolidations from the mid '80s, hands down, especially considering what is left of the airline today. Both LAX and SLC are valuable parts of DL's network and strategy. Western Air Lines, the ooonly way to fly.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
I was just researching WA on departedflights.com. The webmaster there just put up a 1973 WA system timetable. It's a good thing Jerry's still around, otherwise SLC would be as much a part of DL as DFW is right now. Nothing. The DL/WA merger was the best of all the consolidations from the mid '80s, hands down, especially considering what is left of the airline today. Both LAX and SLC are valuable parts of DL's network and strategy. Western Air Lines, the ooonly way to fly.

It really is too bad that Ron and Leo nearly piddles away completely Westerns market share at LAX. I think Leo was eyeballing a possible de-hub of SLC earlier this decade as well. One rumor I heard was that if UA liquidated, both SLC and DFW would be gone and DL would have shifted both to DEN in a consolidating move during 2003 or 2004.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
I think Leo was eyeballing a possible de-hub of SLC earlier this decade as well. One rumor I heard was that if UA liquidated, both SLC and DFW would be gone and DL would have shifted both to DEN in a consolidating move during 2003 or 2004.

I'd heard some rumors along those lines in late 2003, when Jerry took over for Leo and DFW was closed. I was rather surpised to see just how big WA was at LAX looking through that 1973 timetable. SAN and SFO were also larger than I'd anticipated. I knew about SAN-HNL and SFO-HNL (heck that's still around), but was unaware of a SANMEX route and also service to CYS.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
I'd heard some rumors along those lines in late 2003, when Jerry took over for Leo and DFW was closed.

By 2003 everyone knew DFW was a dead duck for DL and it was only a matter of time before it was shut down. Grinstein took over in April 2004 and launched his study and by September announced DFW would close, and it was shut down in January 2005. but before Leo was forced out, there are strong substantiated rumors that he was actually putting together a plan to shut SLC as well. But it was contingent upon UA going Chapter 7, which never materialized.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
I was rather surpised to see just how big WA was at LAX looking through that 1973 timetable.

DL essentially squandered and piddled away ALL of that to UA and AA. That is what 2 decades of piss poor leadership will do to you my friend!

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
SAN and SFO were also larger than I'd anticipated.

Western was #2 behind UA at SFO back in the early 1980s as I recall.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
I knew about SAN-HNL and SFO-HNL (heck that's still around),

The latter will get the axe come September when DL redeploys many of their 764's from Hawaii service to Europe since they still lack sufficient numbers of 772s. SAN-HNL could come back with the 752's coming from AA/TWA. They are evaluating whether or not to keep any or all direct SLC-Hawaii service.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
but was unaware of a SANMEX route and also service to CYS.

The CYS service no doubt was a hold-over from the pre-deregulation era. Western was also big in DEN. In fact DEN wanted Western to hub there but the Stapleton facility could not handle it along with UA and CO so hence Western decided upon SLC in 1981. After the Western/DL merger, DEN began to finalize plans for the DIA site and actually wanted DL to move the hub over then, but DL decided to stick with SLC. That is something that didn't ever sit well with Mayor Federico Pena, who later as Clinton's DOT Secretary had an axe to grind with DL.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Oh man do I miss WA! They were a huge player in the SAN aviation/travel industry and one of my all-time favorites. They made it very easy to sell them: reliable and good service, frequent flights to diverse destinations, and a wonderful (local) sales department (read: helpful, accessible, understanding and very supportive of the travel agency community) . They really supported San Diego in every way possible. In those days, the rez center in LAX had first, a San Diego Desk, then an agents' desk and it was very easy and enjoyable to get to know those ladies and gentlemen (by voice!) -- Serena, Dale, Howard... Those were really the good old days to be a good, respected, travel agent!

Amongst my treasured timetable collection is a huge bunch of Western Airlines Employee Flight Schedules. Any of you from WA or travel agencies in the 70s and 80s know what I'm talking about: a single sheet of colored paper (different every issue) that was about a yard wide and a foot high and contained the old-style linear flight schedules of all of WA's flights. These were mailed to all agencies ahead of their effective dates so we could see upcoming flight changes. Having no life even back then (same as today), I recognized the envelope whenever it arrived at the agency and tore into it like it contained a check for $10,000!

Even though DL is a favorite of mine too, I was very sad to witness the end of any era when WA was absorbed. I, as many of you out there, was so disappointed to see so many of those unique WA flights eventually disappear; in my case, those from Lindbergh Field. Daily HNL and MEX flights were amongst the more major of the casualties; WA offered other funky flights like their Fat Alberts to PSP, PIH and FSD...

I've never even begun to hope that DL would some day again fly west from SAN (to the Islands). When they finally cancelled their HNL r/t after YEARS with the only n/s in the market (I think their last iteration of the flight was the red-eye Tri-Star HNL-SAN-CVG -- and reverse), for many years the only DL all-jet (non-DL Connection via LAX) routing to get to HNL was via SLC! (In fact, I guess it still is!) I would absolutely love to see DL re-introduce HNL service (and Mexico as well!)

I would really like to see DL revive some of the old non-hub flying from Lindbergh that used to exist -- both before and after the merger with Western.

bb


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25978 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
Oh man do I miss WA! They were a huge player in the SAN aviation/travel industry and one of my all-time favorites. They made it very easy to sell them: reliable and good service

I agree. WA was one of my favorite US airlines. Although service on all US airlines in those days was much better than today, WA was exceptional.

When I was growing up in Edmonton I remember Western's single daily DC-6B (originally Convair 240) that overnighted at YXD (the downtown airport then as YEG didn't exist until 1959) after it's mutli-stop flight from LAX with half a dozen stops. The last leg was from YYC with no local traffic rights on the domestic sector. It arrived about 2200 and left about 0700 the following morning.

My first WA flight was on a Lockheed L188 Electra YYC-GTF in the mid-1960s. And about 5 years later when I had just started working for CP Air in YYC, I won a nonrev WA pass at a local travel industry event and used it from YYC to LAS with about 5 stops each way including GTF and SLC. That was probably 1970 on one of their 737-200s which had only been in service a year or so then, and still with the Indian Head livery.

Western had the only direct flights from YYC to the US then (apart from a single daily Hughes Airwest F-27, later DC-9, from YYC to GEG and beyond). Western also operated YYC-DEN nonstop then with a 720B. That flight carried a lot of high yield oil-related traffic to/from Houston, Dallas, Tulsa etc. with a connection at DEN.

After I moved to YVR a couple of years later I often flew WA to SFO and LAX etc. WA and CP both operated YVR-SFO but WA had a monopoly on the YVR-LAX nonstop route from the time they started service to YVR in 1967 until 1974 when CP was also finally awarded the route. I especially liked WA's 720Bs, the hotrod of the 707 family. A 720B was about the closest thing of that era to a 757 in terms of the impression of takeoff power especially when lightly loaded, with a gross takeoff weight about 100,000 lbs. less than a 707-320B but the same JT3D turbofans. They always seemed like they could take off with 2 engines shut down. In contrast, non-fan 720s like UA's always seemed sluggish and underpowered.

I also remember a couple of very nice Western DC-10 flights to/from HNL. There's a lot of WA memorabilia, old timetables etc. in the www.airchive.com site. They had some very original advertising, especially when they still used Wallybird as their mascot...."The ooooonly way to fly!"

P.S. Note the 737-200 in the 1st photo below from 1969 still has the original short (and ineffective) thrust reversers. They were soon modified on the early deliveries, presumably at Boeing expense, to the new design as seen in the 2nd photo (both photos of the same aircraft).


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5723 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Thread starter):
Western Air Transport soon broke off from TWA's structure, and in 1934, changed its name to General Airlines. There is still an ongoing battle between Western Airlines and Eastern Airlines.

It was never Western Air Transport, it reverted back to Western Air Express after the spinoff from TWA.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
I think Leo was eyeballing a possible de-hub of SLC earlier this decade as well. One rumor I heard was that if UA liquidated, both SLC and DFW would be gone and DL would have shifted both to DEN in a consolidating move during 2003 or 2004.

Leo was all about chopping off the arm to save the hand, wasnt he??

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
But it was contingent upon UA going Chapter 7, which never materialized.

Thank heavens for small favors...

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
Western was #2 behind UA at SFO back in the early 1980s as I recall.

I thought PSA was #2 in SFO?

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
Western was also big in DEN. In fact DEN wanted Western to hub there but the Stapleton facility could not handle it along with UA and CO so hence Western decided upon SLC in 1981.

Funny you mention that, as Frontier Mk. 1 had their huge operation there, and lets no forget the bloodbath taht wenton from the time CO entered its first bankruptcy, to about the time PeoplExpress bought Frontier...I still have a receipt for a SLC-DEN-MCI one-way for $35.00!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
WA offered other funky flights like their Fat Alberts to PSP, PIH and FSD...

And for a short while...Salt Lake City to..*drum roll* Minot, ND!  bigthumbsup 

I too miss Western..


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
WA offered other funky flights like their Fat Alberts to PSP, PIH and FSD...

Or the rather short lived HNL - ANC - LGW with DC-10-10s Spaceships, and a lot of weight restriction to make it.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 7):
Quoting WesternDC1010 (Thread starter):
Western Air Transport soon broke off from TWA's structure, and in 1934, changed its name to General Airlines. There is still an ongoing battle between Western Airlines and Eastern Airlines.

It was never Western Air Transport, it reverted back to Western Air Express after the spinoff from TWA.

Again, I am quoting what was stated on Wikipedia. Not a 100% factual site.

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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

As an 'Original Delta', I felt and still feel that the "powers" in ATL, particularly Allen, took the great route structure that WA had and trashed it. The route systems of the two carriers actually meshed quite well and the boyz in ATL screwed it up royally. Hopefully someday, the West will rise again.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25978 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 8):
Or the rather short lived HNL - ANC - LGW with DC-10-10s Spaceships, and a lot of weight restriction to make it.

They also operated DEN-LGW but I think they acquired their single DC-10-30 from Air New Zealand (N821L, ex-ZK-NZN) for that route. Both London routes only lasted about 18 months. They then used the DC-10-30 on a joint operation with Air Pacific LAX-HNL-NAN. Although painted in FJ livery it was operated by WA. It operated as a WA flight LAX-HNL and became an FJ flight (with WA crews) HNL-NAN. That also didn't last long.

WA sold the DC-10-30 to AA where it became N144AA. It spent about 15 years with AA. Retired in 2000 and scrapped in 2003.

One photo landing LGW while in WA livery. Click the construction number for other photos in NZ/FJ/AA livery.


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User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 10):
As an 'Original Delta', I felt and still feel that the "powers" in ATL, particularly Allen, took the great route structure that WA had and trashed it. The route systems of the two carriers actually meshed quite well

Just like Republic did with Hughes Airwest, my Dad worked for Hughes/Republic in Las Vegas and I can remember them going from over 70 flights a day to something like 9 in the 80's. Needless to say after 15 years he was unemployed.

I just doesn't make sense that the companies that bought PSA, Hughes Airwest, Air Cal, and Western did not realize what they had and allowed a little airline from Dallas to become the King of the West.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3707 times:
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Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 7):
And for a short while...Salt Lake City to..*drum roll* Minot, ND!

I remember WA going into BIS, but not MOT.

My fav recollection of WA was in mid/late 70's flying UA BOI-SFO, WA SFO-ONT on 737s. I will always remember looking back at the plane in ONT as the other pax deplaned the good way, via the stairs.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

While it seems fashionable to trash DL's decisions regarding WA, remember that the west coast was a low fare battleground. Remember that at one point UA, AA, DL, and US all flew hourly or near hourly service between LAX and SFO - and that was just one market. At the same time, the east coast was degenerating into a low fare morass and DL made the RIGHT decision to focus its efforts on defending its core east coast markets. That doesn't mean that DL couldn't have maintained more LAX routes than they did. DL did try to move its Pacific operation to LAX but that was all cut short by 9/11, although we all know that DL's former network people couldn't make any hub other than ATL or CVG work for int'l flights. thankfully there is a new crowd making decisions.

I do think that Leo had an inferiority complex about DL's network when compared with UA's. He wanted to sign a codeshare with UA as soon as he got there and then lusted after UA's Pacific network as soon as UA got in financial trouble - even though DL followed pretty quickly in UA's footsteps. Thankfully, again, DL's current mgmt realizes there is real value in DL's current hubs and has no intention of dumping them just to get something that is perceived to be better.

Western was a great airline but remember that DL made the DL-WA the best executed merger the post- deregulation industry has seen.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5723 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 13):
I remember WA going into BIS, but not MOT.

It was started during the 40's when Western flew up to Montana and then back down into Colorado, with nothing to connect the two parts of the system. In the early 50's the CAB ruled to let Western connect the two parts by authorizng a SLC-CPR-RAP-MOT-BIS with their trusty Convair 240's. The Electra II's also flew this routing after the 240's were retired. After the 737's were introduced, WA found that it was too much airplane for the routing, so they axed MOT and realigned the routing to SLC-CPR-RAP-BIS, and SLC nonstops to RAP and then onto BIS as well.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
That doesn't mean that DL couldn't have maintained more LAX routes than they did.

No one is saying they couldnt. Allen was more focused on buying out the Pan Am carcass to get the widget overseas. Leo was getting hard over UA's pacific ops (which was Pan Am's to begin with as well). After the financial bloodbath of 93-94, Allen was on parole (or so it would seem) by the DL BOD to return to profitability. The problem with Allen and most of the 80's airline executives...they only knew how to manage growth, not stability. In comes Leo, who doesnt squat about the industry to begin with, and starts tearing up the airline's system and infrastructure to land the mighty Widget in Chapter 11. Way to go Leo  sarcastic  . Thank god an airline (transportation) man like Grinstein came in and knows what he is doing, and is finally listening to the rank and file at DL.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Thread starter):
it became a prominent sponsor of the Bob Barker television show The Price is Right,

So I take it that back in the 1970s/early 1980s recordings the airline of choice for the Price is Right was Western Airways... Roddy: "You and a guest will fly round trip coach Los Angeles to Washington courtesy of Western Airways aboard their spacious widebody DC10 aircraft..." er something of the type anyway...

Now it's either Northwest or Southwest Airlines... or Alaskan Airlines depending on destination...

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Thread starter):
During the 1970's, they promoted themselves as "the champagne airline" because champagne was offered free of charge to every adult passenger over 21 years old.

Man, it would be nice if DL did this to honor Western's way a little bit more... I'd like champagne!!! Of course it probably would not be free of charge in this day and age...



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5723 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
Man, it would be nice if DL did this to honor Western's way a little bit more...

I also wouldnt mind seeing a retrojet say...a 738 or 752 in the old Indian Head or Flying W colors...



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3462 times:
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Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 17):
I also wouldnt mind seeing a retrojet say...a 738 or 752 in the old Indian Head or Flying W colors...

If DL did retro-jets, they'd also have to do some in the old Northeast livery, and maybe in the final Northeast "Yellowbird" livery. The only retro style I have seen was the old DL livery itself.


User currently offlineWA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Ah, memories. My first flight was June, 1972 on a WA727, PHX-MSP.

Western Airlines. The only way to fly.



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User currently offlineXbraniffone From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

My first flight ever., I think 1965. WA B720. MSP to FSD to Den to PHX to SAN I don't know why my parents booked that but they did. I flew them a couple of years later and they had a "steward" working coach. I thought that was pretty cool and thought I should be one of those. So, about 10 years later, I became one.

Western was big in MSP and they lost that market too. They had a pilot and flight attendent base here.



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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Wasn't there a Western DC-10 in the movie Commando? Didn't Arnold jump from it??


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Quoting WA727 (Reply 19):
Ah, memories. My first flight was June, 1972 on a WA727, PHX-MSP.



Quoting Xbraniffone (Reply 20):
My first flight ever., I think 1965. WA B720. MSP to FSD to Den to PHX to SAN I don't know why my parents booked that but they did.

Man, yinz guys and I have something in common... We all had our first flights ever on a classic T-tail aircraft... but you all flew a 727 of some type. As much as I would like to fly on a 727, I would rather not travel to the middle east to do that!



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5723 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 22):
Man, yinz guys and I have something in common... We all had our first flights ever on a classic T-tail aircraft... but you all flew a 727 of some type. As much as I would like to fly on a 727, I would rather not travel to the middle east to do that!

Umm..Steeler, pal, not to burst your bubble or anythign, but I think xbraniffone was referring to the Boeing 720-B, of which was a hot-rod version of the 707, of which Western had a nice sized fleet of, and they most definately served MSP (of which you can see proof if you watch the original Airport movie.)



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25978 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
Quoting WesternDC1010 (Thread starter):
During the 1970's, they promoted themselves as "the champagne airline" because champagne was offered free of charge to every adult passenger over 21 years old.

Man, it would be nice if DL did this to honor Western's way a little bit more... I'd like champagne!!! Of course it probably would not be free of charge in this day and age...

WA's Champagne Flights started a lot earlier than the 1970s. Note the last paragraph of this TIME magazine article from September 1955:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...171,865245,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

Or this magazine ad from 1956:
http://www.sunset.com/sunset/Premium...an/FoodGuide0102/1956airlines.html


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