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The Man Behind Southwest's Quick Aircraft Turns  
User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

An interesting story by Scott Hamilton on Leeham.net about the first president and CEO of WN, Lamar Muse. He established the basic business plan that still exists today and saved the airline when it nearly went out of business:

Quote:
Southwest is famous for its quick aircraft turns.
This came about because Lamar had to sell the
carrier's fourth Boeing 737 before delivery to
meet a payroll, yet fly a four aircraft schedule with
three aircraft. Thus was born the famed 10
minute turn -- this before federal rules required
everybody to be in their seats before the door
could be closed and the aircraft could be taxied.
Today, even at 25 minutes, Southwest turns an
aircraft faster than anyone else.

http://www.leeham.net/filelib/CARMar0107.pdf

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User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Didnt get a chance to look at the article but know that the 10 minute turn was an idea made by the southwest employees in an effort to avoid job cuts while drastically cutting their fleet (they were selling one of their four or so planes). The execs announced that jobs would have to be cut because there would be less work with one of the planes gone but the employees devised a way to fly the same amount of daily flights, using less planes, which was to be done with the 10 minute turn. Amazing that they were able to do it and great that they all saved their jobs.


Father, Son, HOYA spirit
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
Today, even at 25 minutes, Southwest turns an
aircraft faster than anyone else.

Incorrect. At Skywest we had 15 mins to turn an EMB and 18 mins to turn a CRJ, 19mins to turn a CR7. Still 6 minutes less than WN. Now if the statement said "Southwest turns a 737 faster than anyone else than perhaps the statement would be true.


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 2):
At Skywest we had 15 mins to turn an EMB and 18 mins to turn a CRJ, 19mins to turn a CR7. Still 6 minutes less than WN.

I flew on a Cessna Caravan and the turns were even faster that that .



[Edited 2007-04-02 04:46:28]

User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 2):
At Skywest we had 15 mins to turn an EMB and 18 mins to turn a CRJ, 19mins to turn a CR7. Still 6 minutes less than WN. Now if the statement said "Southwest turns a 737 faster than anyone else than perhaps the statement would be true.

There is a bit of a difference between a 737 and a regional.



"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 3):
I flew on a Cessna Caravan and the turns were even faster that that .

Haha! You beat me to it.

Quoting OOer (Reply 2):
Incorrect. At Skywest we had 15 mins to turn an EMB and 18 mins to turn a CRJ, 19mins to turn a CR7. Still 6 minutes less than WN. Now if the statement said "Southwest turns a 737 faster than anyone else than perhaps the statement would be true.

.... speechless! HAHAHA I hope that was a joke


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

BoomBoom,

You flew for Haggland? What are you up to these days?



"A pilot's plane she is. She will love you if you deserve it, and try to kill you if you don't...She is the Mighty Q400"
User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 3):
I flew on a Cessna Caravan and the turns were even faster that that .

I watched a King Air turn in BIS in about 2 minutes...damn thing propwashed our Warrior.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 7):
I watched a King Air turn in BIS in about 2 minutes...damn thing propwashed our Warrior.

Quickest turn I ever had as a SWA Ops agent (late 1970s-early 1980s) on a 737-200 was 3 minutes. It was a through flight, fueled through, 35 pax and bags off and 12 pax and bags on.

We had a 155-seat 727-200 for awhile (155 seats), and my best time on that one was about 15 minutes. There was one other agent (Hal Y.) who did 155 pax and bags off/155 pax and bags on in 10 "no kiddin" minutes, and was the only agent who ever did so, not to forget the rampers who also really humped that one...


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Yeah, the truth is that most airlines can easily turn an aircraft in under 30 mins if/when they really have to. The difference is that WN's business model required these short turns ... most other airlines only need it when an arriving aircraft is late.

Yes, one might argue that the other airlines schedule >30 mins between flights only because they can't turn in less than that ... but less true than for WN.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 6):
You flew for Haggland? What are you up to these days?

I didn't fly for Hagland, I was a passenger going to public meetings in Aniak, Sleetmute and Crooked Creek.


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