VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
I think the last 747 flight with TW was back in mid 98. TW wanted to keep them longer but They were already suffering from TW800. They had to get rid of them before the media would give them more bad publicity for keeping older planes. They've already been criticised by the families from the US and Europe as well as New York Mayor Rudolph Guliani as well as New York Governer George Pataki for their failure to notify families of the death of their loved ones on time as well as to get the passenger manufast out quickly. PAN AM had suffered the same fall out when they didn't notify us of that my best friend and his family died on 103 and they didn't give us a copy of the manufast until days later. My family didn't find out about the crash until later on the evening news. TWA couldn't afford to suffer like PA did after 103 so they had to get rid of the 747s
Advancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (14 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3579 times:
Yes, if TW800 had not been doomed, then the
747s would surely still be flying today. This also
triggerd TWA to phase out the L1011s and 727s
a lot earlier than they originally planned.
They were forced to change fleet policy so to
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (14 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3500 times:
B747-131 N93108 was painted in the new colours 2 months before the crash of TW800. It was one of the first aircraft to have the striking new livery and was used for advertising. After TW800 I think there was only one more 747 which received the new colours. At least one more 747 (a leased 747-200B) was painted in a hybrid livery (mainly white with the new titles).
Most ex-TWA-747s, at least all the original 747-131s from 1970/71 (and L-1011 Tristars) are in the process of being scrapped or are stored as spare parts supply at Mojave.
One or two I´ve heard will go to Japan as Restaurants (most likely only the fuselage).
Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (14 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3456 times:
Contrary to popular belief on this board, 800 was not the primary cause of the 747's demise (and for that matter the L-1011 and 727) at TW. All three were on their way out.
By mid-'96 virtually all of TW's 741s had reached the 100,000 hour mark. (800's N93119 was the baby of the bunch with 93,000+ when she was lost) They were quite simply wearing out. The L-1011s were being dumped at that time for the same reasons everyone else was dumping them. (high fuel consumption; maintenance and spares costs) The 727-100s were long gone ('93) and the oldest -200s in the fleet ('68-'70) were mostly gone.
With TW's gradual withdrawal from Europe and the Middle East and 757s and MD-80s on order to replace the L10s and 727s on domestic routes, The days of all three were numbered at the time of 800. The public perception caused by the usual post-crash media frenzy did accelerate the 747 retirement a bit.
As for seeing any more 747-131s being turned into freighters, forget it. Those birds are part of an exclusive (for the time being) club having reached the 100,000 hour mark. To my knowledge AF and BA are the only other airlines to have put over 100K on a 747. KLM and Swissair have both done it with DC-10s. All told there are probably fewer than 25 airframes of all types that have flown over 100,000 hours. When they're retired, nobody wants them.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 3136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3436 times:
Exnonrev hit the nail right on the head. The airframes could have been salvaged, but they all required replacement of major structural components, including main wing spars. The cost was prohibitive to say the least. Interestingly enough, Virgin has also operated 747's well beyond the 100,000 hour mark with at least 3 aircraft. My memory is kinda dodgy so i'm not sure which ones, although they were all listed on here a week ago. Search under the "history of G-VMIA" topic.