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What Happened To TWA's B 747s?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

As you all know, all of TWA's 747s were gone. However, do you guys know what happened to them? Especially the B 741s?

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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

They are sitting in a desert, waiting to be made into your next frying pan.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

I see.. Frying pan, soft drink cans etc etc. They are all possible

I see. Which desert is it being stored?

Can't they be converted into freighters?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Isnt it that Mojave desert, or somewhere in Mexico.


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User currently offlineThai747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 1999, 814 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

One question..

why did they bother repainting the 747-100s even though they were going to retire them anyway?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Strongly agree!

Maybe they went through the D check and they painted them


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Isn't one thing that had them get retired faster TW800? If so, then that would explain why.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months ago) and read 3269 times:

I think the last 747 flight with TW was back in mid 98. TW wanted to keep them longer but They were already suffering from TW800. They had to get rid of them before the media would give them more bad publicity for keeping older planes. They've already been criticised by the families from the US and Europe as well as New York Mayor Rudolph Guliani as well as New York Governer George Pataki for their failure to notify families of the death of their loved ones on time as well as to get the passenger manufast out quickly. PAN AM had suffered the same fall out when they didn't notify us of that my best friend and his family died on 103 and they didn't give us a copy of the manufast until days later. My family didn't find out about the crash until later on the evening news. TWA couldn't afford to suffer like PA did after 103 so they had to get rid of the 747s


"FUIMUS"
User currently offline747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Yeah it was a bit of a money-waster. But you have to admit that it really did look very striking!


Tom  


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

So if there isn't any TW 800 crash, when will these 747s last till? Perhaps till now?

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

That picture would look even better if it was a 747-400.  


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Hi there,
Yes, if TW800 had not been doomed, then the
747s would surely still be flying today. This also
triggerd TWA to phase out the L1011s and 727s
a lot earlier than they originally planned.
They were forced to change fleet policy so to
speak.
Regards,
Advancedkid


User currently offlineRTP_lifeforce From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

there is a place for jets in the the desert by a city called Mojave, and Edwards airforce base. i saw some TWA's there but i dont remember if there were any 747's.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

These jets are in Marana/Pina Airpark (outside Tuscon, AZ).


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

So that's the end of TWA's 741s. Sad.......

Do you guys know whether they have a chance to be converted into Frieghters or even passenger aircraft for some third world countries?

Or will they simply be made into our next frying pan? Sad to see a 747 classic go



User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Most likely the engines have been stripped off and they are rotting(no longer airworthy).The TW800 crash caused TWA to get rid of the 747-100's and -200's they had, and also the 727 and the L-1011.


Gundu


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

I really don't why they re-painted them even when they know that their 747s are going to retire soon.......

A waste of money.......

I don't think TWA will be getting any 747s anymore. What do you guys think? Do you think they ganna get some 747-400s in the future?


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

About painting:
B747-131 N93108 was painted in the new colours 2 months before the crash of TW800. It was one of the first aircraft to have the striking new livery and was used for advertising. After TW800 I think there was only one more 747 which received the new colours. At least one more 747 (a leased 747-200B) was painted in a hybrid livery (mainly white with the new titles).

Most ex-TWA-747s, at least all the original 747-131s from 1970/71 (and L-1011 Tristars) are in the process of being scrapped or are stored as spare parts supply at Mojave.
One or two I´ve heard will go to Japan as Restaurants (most likely only the fuselage).


User currently offlineThai747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 1999, 814 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3149 times:


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Photo © Bahadir Acuner



here's another sad pic...


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

TWA is not likely to get 747s again any time soon. The airline is a shell of its former self and only operates the 767-200 for international routes.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

TW is in the midst of completely overhailing its fleet plan by retiring all 747s, 727s, and L1011. It is now completing its retirement of DC9s and 767-200s.

TW has introduced new fleets of 757s and 717s. New 767-300ERs are coming on property and Airbus A318 and A319 will in 3 years.

Not all TW 747s are toast. Some were convereted to freighers one is flying presently with Evergreen.


User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Contrary to popular belief on this board, 800 was not the primary cause of the 747's demise (and for that matter the L-1011 and 727) at TW. All three were on their way out.

By mid-'96 virtually all of TW's 741s had reached the 100,000 hour mark. (800's N93119 was the baby of the bunch with 93,000+ when she was lost) They were quite simply wearing out. The L-1011s were being dumped at that time for the same reasons everyone else was dumping them. (high fuel consumption; maintenance and spares costs) The 727-100s were long gone ('93) and the oldest -200s in the fleet ('68-'70) were mostly gone.

With TW's gradual withdrawal from Europe and the Middle East and 757s and MD-80s on order to replace the L10s and 727s on domestic routes, The days of all three were numbered at the time of 800. The public perception caused by the usual post-crash media frenzy did accelerate the 747 retirement a bit.

As for seeing any more 747-131s being turned into freighters, forget it. Those birds are part of an exclusive (for the time being) club having reached the 100,000 hour mark. To my knowledge AF and BA are the only other airlines to have put over 100K on a 747. KLM and Swissair have both done it with DC-10s. All told there are probably fewer than 25 airframes of all types that have flown over 100,000 hours. When they're retired, nobody wants them.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Exnonrev hit the nail right on the head. The airframes could have been salvaged, but they all required replacement of major structural components, including main wing spars. The cost was prohibitive to say the least. Interestingly enough, Virgin has also operated 747's well beyond the 100,000 hour mark with at least 3 aircraft. My memory is kinda dodgy so i'm not sure which ones, although they were all listed on here a week ago. Search under the "history of G-VMIA" topic.


T.J.




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