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Any New Wave Of Announcements At PDX In 2007?  
User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Hey guys has anyone heard of any new added flight or new service being added at PDX beside Alaska BOS and MCO; Delta's JFK; US Airways CLT and additional PHL, and Southwest addon to SMF? Will we see any more added flights to the east and on curent or new west coast routes?....Sure would be nice if Expressjet would start service here also........

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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

PDX to LAX on DL connection, announced last week.

User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Ahhhh...I forgot about that one....Using that crj200 equiptment...........

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5293 times:
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Besides?? It's hardly April. I think that PDX has had a pretty stellar year thus far!  Smile

I also think that us PDX'ers should get patient. When was the last time that four new transcon routes (five new flights total counting existing routes) were announced at PDX within one calendar quarter? It's an anomaly in PDX history, and I doubt that the second quarter of 2007 will see growth in the same manner.

Not that I'm complaining... now if someone would come up with another IAD nonstop, I'd be thrilled!


User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Well, it's not passenger service but Boeing recently announced they are opening a paint shop for their soon to be delivered heavies at PDX. Awesome news for spotters in my opinion.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5191 times:
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Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Awesome news for spotters in my opinion.

True, ATCGOD... that will be some pretty good spotting to be had! I had forgotten about the Boeing deal.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

I forgot about that too..Will be nice to see some rare bird flying into PDX starting in May, even though they are not revenue service flights......

User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

I never heard of that paint shop, but I would love to see it. I should make my times at PDX more interesting.

I wonder if their international flights are doing well. My uncle flew the LH flight last spring and said it was rather full.

1) Any updates on a PDX-AMS rumor?

2) Any plans for NW making DTW-PDX year round? I personally would love to see that and be at DTW no later than 4 am just to catch a 6:40 flight to MSP and then sit on my ass for 3.5 hours before my flight to PDX  banghead 


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 6):
I forgot about that too..Will be nice to see some rare bird flying into PDX starting in May, even though they are not revenue service flights......

Then BlueWave707 can start a few dozen "PDX Rarebirds" threads...  Wink

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 7):
1) Any updates on a PDX-AMS rumor?

That will probably be the next big announcement. Once Open Skies is officially aprpoved by Congress, I would think shortly thereafter an announcement will be made, if it's going to happen at all. Probably an A330 flown by either NW or KLM. I don't know what NW's widebody aircraft situation is like, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to start a flight to LHR or LGW at some point in the next few years.


User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 8):
That will probably be the next big announcement. Once Open Skies is officially aprpoved by Congress, I would think shortly thereafter an announcement will be made, if it's going to happen at all. Probably an A330 flown by either NW or KLM. I don't know what NW's widebody aircraft situation is like, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to start a flight to LHR or LGW at some point in the next few years.

Wasn't there already an open skies between the US and the Netherlands?


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 4717 times:

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 9):
Wasn't there already an open skies between the US and the Netherlands?

I think you might be right about that. I'm sure someone in either MSP or AMS that works for NW or KL is monitoring the PDX-Europe market to see when the best time to launch service, if it happens.

But, with Open Skies basically here, it might be a PDX-LHR/LGW flight instead....I think that would be more successful than other flight to the continent.

Just my $.02.


User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 10):
But, with Open Skies basically here, it might be a PDX-LHR/LGW flight instead....I think that would be more successful than other flight to the continent.

I would think that BA would be the one to start that route, not NW


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 10):
But, with Open Skies basically here, it might be a PDX-LHR/LGW flight instead....I think that would be more successful than other flight to the continent.

In terms of direct O&D LHR would probably be the best bet, but NW would probably rather connect PDX to the AMS hub for the connections.


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 8):
Then BlueWave707 can start a few dozen "PDX Rarebirds" threads...

That's funny! I will be in Portland twice this year for business. Will definitely make time to do some spotting @ PDX, though I probably won't have a whole lot of time. The parking structure offer some pretty great photo ops.

Is the Boeing paint shop going to be located near the cargo ramp? Will there be good places nearby to get photos?

Maybe one of the PDXers could start a PDX RareBirds thread? There are several PDXers that post stuff quite often.



"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Mexicana just announced non-stop PDX - MEX beginning June 1. The Port of Portland website said daily, but then listed a four-day-week schedule. Leave PDX 8:00am, arrive back PDX 11:59pm.

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 13):
Is the Boeing paint shop going to be located near the cargo ramp? Will there be good places nearby to get photos?

Most likely in those huge, unused hangars, next to the cargo area? Besides, most widebodies use the south runway anyway because it's longer (although planes there just for paint wouldn't be fully loaded), and it's closer to the cargo area. For views, the top of the parking garage is great for operations in either direction, but it's looking south for photos. The sun is north of that runway only during the summer. For photos, landing shots can be had from a dirt lot at the east end of 28L (just off 82nd Ave.), or the west end of 10R in a little turn-out area just south of the boat dealership on Marine Dr. From up on Marine Dr. you can see planes taxiing out for takeoff from 10R.



Quoting N174UA (Reply 8):
That will probably be the next big announcement. Once Open Skies is officially aprpoved by Congress, I would think shortly thereafter an announcement will be made, if it's going to happen at all. Probably an A330 flown by either NW or KLM. I don't know what NW's widebody aircraft situation is like, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to start a flight to LHR or LGW at some point in the next few years.

Back when LH started FRA - PDX, and got some hefty incentives for it, the airport's stated goal was one - and only one - flight from each region - Europe, Asia, Latin America, with lack of competition an added incentive. They secured that with LH, NW and MX. Maybe their position has changed, plus that was several years ago and they were actively courting airlines. If NW or KL or whoever wanted to start up service, they probably wouldn't object.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Wow...Just got back from Panama city, Panama and just noticed the new announcement..Good Job PDX and Mexicana! All we need is one more flight to Europe ,China, a few more to Canada, and Oregon will be well covered.........The future additional flights will all be filled domestically.....I'm pretty sure this should all be reached within the next 5-10 years............I can't wait to see what 2008 will bring to PDX ............

User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 12):
In terms of direct O&D LHR would probably be the best bet, but NW would probably rather connect PDX to the AMS hub for the connections.

That's why I think NW will act first in expanding their footprint in PDX.

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 14):
Back when LH started FRA - PDX, and got some hefty incentives for it, the airport's stated goal was one - and only one - flight from each region - Europe, Asia, Latin America, with lack of competition an added incentive. They secured that with LH, NW and MX. Maybe their position has changed, plus that was several years ago and they were actively courting airlines. If NW or KL or whoever wanted to start up service, they probably wouldn't object.

The Port of Portland loves money, and loves raising landing fees even more. Over time, they will look to expand their portfolio if you will of the variety of int'l. airlines serving their airport.

If the existing airlines, LH/MX/NW are threatened enough with competition, they will likely a.) reduce the price slightly or b.) upgrade the aircraft if possible or c.) increase daily frequency.

LH has taken choice "c"....they have increased frequency through the winter, probably in response to what was probably a credible rumour of NW starting new service. NW hasn't done anything in response since then, so LH's move was a smart one. My bet is that LH will upgrade to an A346 and make the flight daily year round, and that will further strengthen their position.

MX has also chosen "c"...as evidenced by the new PDX-MEX nonstop. The last thing they want is to see AS introduce service. They'll continue to expand their position in PDX if it looks like AS may start up.


User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 16):
The Port of Portland loves money, and loves raising landing fees even more. Over time, they will look to expand their portfolio if you will of the variety of int'l. airlines serving their airport.

Too true...hence it contributed to the demise of Delta's mini-hub way back when.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 16):
LH has taken choice "c"....they have increased frequency through the winter, probably in response to what was probably a credible rumour of NW starting new service. NW hasn't done anything in response since then, so LH's move was a smart one. My bet is that LH will upgrade to an A346 and make the flight daily year round, and that will further strengthen their position.

MX has also chosen "c"...as evidenced by the new PDX-MEX nonstop. The last thing they want is to see AS introduce service. They'll continue to expand their position in PDX if it looks like AS may start up.

Good points. I saw the LH station manager speak at a breakfast a couple of years ago. He commented that they were trying to get a larger plane then. Like you said, so far they've gone with increased frequency. I would think some of it had to do with strong loads, too. And wouldn't freight be strong since Cargolux and some others cut back cargo flights?

They make no bones that their flight currently is more expensive than other options to Europe...it's just more convenient. And with AS having non-stop Cabo and Puerto Vallarta flights now, MX has more competition.


User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 17):
with strong loads, too. And wouldn't freight be strong since Cargolux and some others cut back cargo flights?

All that proves is that the cargo market for PDX-Europe is not strong...


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 15):
All we need is one more flight to Europe ,China, a few more to Canada, and Oregon will be well covered.........

I'd like to see QX to Victoria, personally.


User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

I personally think, now dont get me wrong, I would welcome any and all international flights to PDX, but I would think that a BA PDX-LHR/LGW would do much better than an KL PDX-AMS. What would the market be I wonder for people just going to AMS? I mean, if people want to go to Europe, they have the option of making a stop in Frankfurt. How many people just travel to Frankfurt from Portland? I would think that the majority of people connect to other destinations in Europe. However, with a LHR/LGW flight, I think there would be more O&D passengers than if there were to be on an AMS flight. just my 2 cents.


TK787 PDX-BJV direct????
User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting PDXBJV (Reply 20):

Then how come there are 4-5 daily flights between AMS and DTW? The only thing making that happen is feed via both areas. I'm hard pressed to believe people in Amsterdam would visit Detroit for a week. In PDX, the feed could be carried onto QX although SEA serves that purpose with NW and soon AF.


User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Oops, sorry, I forgot to mention about the SEA flight, is that it didn't make sense to me to have another flight when one could just go up to Seattle, or if they didn't want to bother, they could take LH to FRA and continue on from there.


TK787 PDX-BJV direct????
User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Has anyone heard any news about Airtran possibly starting service from ATL? I think they could do really good on this route as only Delta flies it.

User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 21):
Then how come there are 4-5 daily flights between AMS and DTW? The only thing making that happen is feed via both areas. I'm hard pressed to believe people in Amsterdam would visit Detroit for a week. In PDX, the feed could be carried onto QX although SEA serves that purpose with NW and soon AF.

Hmmm, maybe there are 4-5 daily flights due to the feed from NW? Not to mention it is also hub to hub...  sarcastic 


25 KELPkid : Wonder what ever became of the official announcement that 9K (Cape Air) was going to start Cessna 402 service to AST and ONP (Newport) later this year
26 HPRamper : I was actually wondering the same thing. About a month ago I ran a search for it and found nothing.
27 Flysherwood : They are taking the huge hangars that were built by Pacific Aircraft Maintenance but never used because the company went belly up before handling eve
28 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : way to re-write exactly what I said
29 Longhornmaniac : This may be a naive question, with just a hint of jealousy, but what exactly is in Portland that generates the market for these transoceanic flights?
30 VC10DC10 : Stupid question: what does Lufthansa use right now for the FRA-PDX junket? Not to get all "old-timer" on you, but there was a time when United had qu
31 LHboyatDTW : LH normally uses the A343 on the FRA-PDX-FRA route although I believe there has been a 744 on the route as a substitute iirc (can anyone verify?)
32 Cschleic : Back when Delta had all the flights, it was kind of a mini-hub so there was a lot of connecting traffic, or one-stop to somewhere else. For example,
33 EVA777SEA : Well the asian population in the Portland MSA is 110,853. I doubt that is really a main driving factor. The tech industry definetly helps though. I a
34 N174UA : Royal Pacific Service, started in 1983. From PDX, it was a twice weekly 747-200, and ran through 1986. It originated/terminated in ORD. The DC-10 fli
35 Flysherwood : Fujitsu, Nissho Iwai, NEC, Sumitomo, Nakajima and Marubeni are some that I know that either have operations or offices in Portland or surrounding are
36 ATCGOD : Yes, I saw the LH B744 fly over my parent's house there last August when I was back home.
37 EVA777SEA : That may be so, but are those city offices or regional offices (Pacific Northwest).
38 Flysherwood : Fujitsu and NEC have big plants here. Also Yamasa has a plant in Salem. As far as cargo is concerned. I also know that Oregon provides a lot of fresh
39 Lhpdx : Great news..Were gaining another flight on Horizon to Coosbay/North bend Oregon this summer...Ofcourse almost every city Horizon flies from Seattle is
40 Post contains images Jetboy319 : Flysherwood - The one thing I have noticed quite regularly on the a.net message board is that every PDX success is met with a lot of skepticism by cer
41 EVA777SEA : Thats awesome, I never knew that Bashing it no, meeting it with skepticisim, no. All I wanted to know is where it came from, I never said it wasn't t
42 LHPDX : Funny..When Seattle finally landed Air France flight to Paris recently, I was very excited for the city and even the region as a whole because we all
43 Post contains images N174UA : Ahhhh....that good 'ol I-5 rivalry Nothing ever changes. That's all it is.
44 EVA777SEA : I think it has to do more with a lack of knowledge rather than a "hate" for PDX.
45 Longhornmaniac : Hehe, and jealousy as well. I feel fairly certain that if PDX can support traffic to Japan, than AUS must be getting there. We're like the Silicon Va
46 Cschleic : It's an A-340-300. NW uses an A-330-200 to NRT. Panasonic and Epson have some production here, plus a number of smaller companies....Microchip Techno
47 Post contains images Flysherwood : We'd love to have you visit. Portland is a great city and a great place to live. You just have to learn to live with our famous liquid sunshine! In t
48 Flysherwood : All I can say is that I am so glad to have the PDX-NRT-PDX flight! I cannot tell you how much I hated having to fly to SEA-TAC to catch the NWA SEA-N
49 Flysherwood : Does anyone think that NWA will start a flight from PDX to one of their newer focus cities such IND or Memphis? I am curious because they could feed m
50 Indy : Honestly I can't believe IND doesn't have year round service to SEA or PDX for that very reason. We already have seasonal service to SEA. It is a dec
51 EVA777SEA : In Q3 of 2006, SEA-IND had 361.41 O&D pax per day, PDX-IND had 208.58. So they could probably pull it off in the summer. In Q1 of 2006, SEA-IND had 1
52 Indy : Are the rates you quote for one way or round trip?
53 HPRamper : Those are average daily pax numbers.
54 Indy : I know the daily pax numbers but there was also the prices. I didn't know if those were one way prices.
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