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FL And New SAN Service  
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

AirTran just extended their reservations booking window from early November thru Jan 8, 2008 and I see that the SAN-ATL route (3x daily) and SAN-MCO service (2x weekly  Sad ) are still on the schedule. Since their seasonal SEA-ATL service shows as ending on Nov 7 and the SEA-BWI flight ends Oct 16, I'm assuming their SAN service (announced as "seasonal" service in their initial pr) is in fact permanent/year 'round.

Remembering my own, as well as many others', reactions to the initial "seasonal" announcement, I am very pleased with this adjustment. My further hope is that the MCO service will become daily before long...

I still haven't seen any announcement of where FL will be located at Lindbergh Field. The FL schedule will ultimately include an RON a/c and, on Fri and Sun nights when the MCO flight is on the ground, they will have 2 a/c on the ground for a 15-minute period (i.e., 2 gates needed.) Apparently AA is handling AirTran in SEA; I wonder if this will also be the case in SAN? If so, AA uses several gates at Lindbergh so, despite the need for additional towing in the evening, there would be usable gate space in T2East. Does anyone have any definite info on this?

Last comment: I have not yet seen any reaction by DL to this competition. I guess they figure they've got all the seats they need to beat off the new kid on the block (looks like DL's summer ATL schedule has 6x daily -- 3 767s and 3 757s, which is certainly not too shabby!) And, so far, noone else has decided to enter the SAN-Florida/MCO market either.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
on Fri and Sun nights when the MCO flight is on the ground, they will have 2 a/c on the ground for a 15-minute period (i.e., 2 gates needed.)

I amend this statement. Upon further checking, they have tweaked their schedules and spread the flights out a bit. There is no longer an overlap of ground times; when all flights are on time, only one gate will be needed by FL in SAN. I still wonder if AA will do their ground support.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
I have not yet seen any reaction by DL to this competition

I haven't done any fare checks so I can't say whether DL may have cut theirs...

(I assume this is considered the e- version of talking to one's self...  embarrassed  )

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User currently offlineUnited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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Highly doubtful on using AA for ground handling. We will probably go for a contract company (ie swissport, etc) or another very good option would be to have F9 handle our flights while continuing to handle YX (ironically), since we already have a marketing agreement with them. Im originally from SAN, and I am very excited to see my company go there, but I also wonder what gates they will use. I flew in there recently late at night and there wasn't a gate open. I hope the city would hurry up and finally decide where to build the new airport. As for DL, id imagine they would do the same thing they always do, make it all 763's to ATL, add more frequency and also add daily nonstops to MCO. All of this is speculation. For legal and employment reasons I must say "these are my opinions, and my opinions only, and do not reflect the opinions of AirTran Airways or Airtran Holdings Inc."


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User currently offlineSAN88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I think I read something somewhere at work one day that Airtran will be going out of terminal 1, i'll look around...

[Edited 2007-04-03 08:12:58]


sit on the Captain side when you fly into SAN
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Thanks United' and SAN88 for the feedback. I will be truly amazed, '88, if they end up in T1: WN uses over half the gates (and they really USE them) and UA and AS use the rest fully (including UA's handling of AC.) If you can find anything out, great!

United319, I'm glad you still get back to visit America's Finest City once in a while. Yes, with our 41 gates there are currently around 50 mainline jets that RON at Lindbergh every night! So yes, every gate is full and there are about 10 planes remotely parked. There can be more RONs and evening and morning gate usage -- it just means more towing and remote parking. The most "available" gate space seems to be out at the end of T2East (gates 29-32), near F9/YX which now use 28. Otherwise, gates 37 thru 41 are used by about 5 cx already so maybe they could be used. (Maybe you can find out some info from some company source?)

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User currently offlineUnited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2519 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
(Maybe you can find out some info from some company source?)

I will try, but gate assignments usually arent posted until 24 hours prior to departure even for agents



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Morning United'. I was thinking more along the lines of which terminal FL will live in at Lindbergh and where their ticket counter will be. That will narrow down the gate choices. Since they start service in about a month and a half, their counter space should be under construction by now or at least the location known...

Thanks for your interest and your assistance.

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quote:
I have not yet seen any reaction by DL to this competition.

Actually, I did - I purchased a roundtrip ticket SAN-MSP for this summer right after the FL announcement...because the price dropped dramatically. Now if only the SLC-MSP hadn't been swapped out from an ASA CRJ-700 to a SkyWest CRJ-200...but for the price, I can't complain.

While we're on the subject of gate usage at SAN, is XJet going to use the Commuter Terminal? I can't find anything about it on their website (or at their reservations number), nor at http://www.san.org



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User currently offlineSAN88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
WN uses over half the gates (and they really USE them)

yea we should be pushing over 100 flights a day by the fall.



sit on the Captain side when you fly into SAN
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
...on the subject of gate usage at SAN, is XJet going to use the Commuter Terminal?

Another interesting question, PanAm'. The word earlier here on A.net was that XE would be using the CT but I have not seen any confirmation or formal announcement by the AA (Airport Authority.) But then it's very rare to hear anything from them about anything of import. You would think that with the XE inaugural just a month away, there would be publicity by some of the parties involved; if I were the XE's SAN marketing/sales manager, I would sure be getting PRs out, advertising and radio interviews -- anything!

I've e-mailed the AA with questions and gotten no answers. If I were physically close enough, I'd just hop in the car and inspect the ticketing lobbies myself for at least some evidence of activity; that would answer some questions anyway.

Quoting SAN88 (Reply 8):
yea we [WN] should be pushing over 100 flights a day by the fall.

Hey, '88, I didn't realize you worked for Herb and Gary -- great! (Now you do realize we expect updates on the inner-circle news about WN at Lindbergh  Wink ) Since this is an FL thread, I'll IM you but, for now, yes, the "expected" SF flights should certainly get WS up and over the 100-flight mark and I find that VERY exciting.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

I answered one of my own questions and thought I'd share with anyone else who may care.

During my usual searching thru interesting (to me) stuff found on the SAN.org site, I discovered a statement (in the SDCRAA's CEO/President's Report in early April) that AirTran's ticket counter will be located in T2East between NW and AM (that's where HA used to be when NW did their ground) and will have 4 "ticketing positions" and 4 "electronic ticketing machines". Gate usage was not specified but I'm assuming 31 or 32 or something like that out at the end of that concourse.

Also, if anyone besides me cares about a timeline for the T2W expansion at Lindbergh, I found this from last year:

Quote:
State of the Authority Address
Joe W. Craver, Chairman
San Diego County Regional Airport Authority

11:00 a.m., Monday, February 13, 2006
Commuter Terminal

Through the Airport Master Plan, measured improvements will be made to Lindbergh Field. This will ensure that we can continue to safely and efficiently serve the public at this location until such time that a new airport is constructed and becomes operational. An environmental review is under way for the build-out option of Terminal 2 West, which includes:

10 additional gates
expanded aircraft parking areas
structured parking
and on-airport roadway improvements

Environmental work is expected to be completed at the end of 2006. Construction is slated to begin in 2008 with the new gates coming on line in 2010.


(I think environmental work has just started so I don't know if this 2010 completion date is even close any more...)

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