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Two Midwest Connect Flights Go To Jet At FNT  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Press Release Source: Bishop International Airport Authority

Flint's Bishop International Airport Announces 68% Increase in Midwest Connect's Capacity Due to Addition of Jets and Saturday Flight

Monday April 2, 9:00 am ET

FLINT, Mich., April 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Bishop International Airport Authority is excited to announce that Midwest Connect, (Midwest Airlines: Amex: MEH) has implemented the next step in its 2007 growth plan. This plan included a much-anticipated upgrade to half of their equipment in Flint. Beginning on April 1st, two of their four weekday flights were upgraded from 19-seat turboprop aircraft to Fairchild 32-seat 328JET regional jets. Flint also received new Saturday service on the 32-seat regional jet. The end result: an incredible 68% increase in seats from Flint to Midwest Connect's Milwaukee hub.
Schedules and fares for the new flights are now available at http://www.midwestairlines.com.

In addition, service in some markets will be retimed to accommodate the service changes. These changes will make it more convenient for Flint passengers to connect in Milwaukee to Midwest's nationwide route network, including its newest destinations Seattle/Tacoma and Raleigh/Durham.

Flint schedule (upgraded flights are denoted with an *):

Departure Arrival
Origin Destination Flight Time Time Notes

*Flint Milwaukee 2002 0810 0806
Flint Milwaukee 1006 1005 1011
*Flint Milwaukee 2013 1300 1256 Saturday only
*Flint Milwaukee 2004 1700 1656
Flint Milwaukee 1107 2055 2101
*Milwaukee Flint 2001 0600 0749
Milwaukee Flint 1005 0745 0949
*Milwaukee Flint 2012 1050 1239 Saturday only
*Milwaukee Flint 2003 1450 1639
Milwaukee Flint 1106 1840 2040

Airport Director, Jim Rice: "Midwest Connect is a great airline partner at Bishop Airport. They have been an invaluable asset, especially for our business travelers flying to Milwaukee. Their decision to begin upgrading Flint to the 32-seat regional jet is a very exciting development for everyone. Not only does this allow more passengers the opportunity to fly their product, it is a great upgrade in convenience for our current travelers. Plus, with Saturday service, their airline becomes even more desirable for a larger population of leisure travelers -- especially those going to the West Coast."

Midwest Airlines features jet service throughout the United States, including Milwaukee's most daily nonstop flights and best schedule to major destinations. Catering to business travelers and discerning leisure travelers, the airline earned its reputation as "The best care in the air" by providing passengers with impeccable service and onboard amenities at competitive fares. Both Skyway Airlines, Inc. -- a wholly owned subsidiary of Midwest Airlines -- and SkyWest Airlines operate as Midwest Connect and offer service to and connections through Midwest Airlines' hubs. Together, the airlines offer service to 50 cities. More information is available at http://www.midwestairlines.com.

Flint Bishop International Airport (FNT) is the smart way to fly. Flint offers the lowest average airfares in the state. Currently, the facility is served by Midwest Connect, featuring nonstop service to Milwaukee; AirTran Airways, with nonstop jet service to Ft. Myers, Tampa, Orlando and Atlanta; American Eagle with jet service to Chicago O'Hare; Continental Connection, with Cleveland service; Delta Connection with jet flights to Atlanta; and by Northwest Airlines, with nonstop flights to Ft. Myers, Orlando, Tampa and Detroit. For reservations and flight information from Flint, visit our web site at bishopairport.org

If you would like additional information, please contact the Bishop International Airport Authority Director of Marketing and Public Relations at 810-235-6560, ext. 120.

The smart way to fly.

Contact: Pat Corfman
Director of Marketing and Public Relations
Bishop International Airport Authority
Phone: 810-235-6560

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Source: Bishop International Airport Authority

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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

i dont understand?? Why do you need so many seats from Miluwakee to Flint?? Unless, most of the passenger then drive to DTW. Just does not make too much sense


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 1):
i dont understand?? Why do you need so many seats from Miluwakee to Flint?? Unless, most of the passenger then drive to DTW. Just does not make too much sense

..... sigh.

The FNT vs DTW issue has been discussed in depth..... Plus YX doesn't even serve DTW.

I'm sure YX sees potential for growth in FNT just like AirTran, Northwest, etc.....

[Edited 2007-04-02 22:03:33]


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 1):
i dont understand?? Why do you need so many seats from Miluwakee to Flint?? Unless, most of the passenger then drive to DTW. Just does not make too much sense

Well, the B1900s are being retired so this is just a "casualty" of the retirements. Also, the route does pretty well. It is down slightly over last year (-7.6%) but it is still over 60% load factor and IIRC they do pretty good yields to MKE only. This will be good for FNT as they have seen a steady drop in passenger traffic due to Northwest cutting seats. All other airlines are flat or just slightly ahead of what they were last year. Also, American is adding a flight and Delta appears to have found the right mix of flights. I think this will be good for FNT as it is more seats with a quality product.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):

Well, the B1900s are being retired so this is just a "casualty" of the retirements.

There's no reason ZK couldn't fly the routes (if they are to pick up non-EAS YX* flying). Still, this represents a major upgrade in terms of service. Beverages, cookies, and a reduced flight time. Definitely good news for folks in Flint (and Detroit as well). NW flies a ton of folks from Milwaukee to Detroit; I'd say between local traffic and the connections available at MKE, YX can probably do fine.



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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

I live about 45 minutes from FNT and they've been promoting Midwest's 'Jet Service' on the radio for weeks, along with AirTran's services to Fort Myers, Orlando, Tampa, etc. (AirTran always has ads running for FNT however).

I'm already booked on the J328 flights in July. Picked up an awesome fare, $236 roundtrip, FNT-MKE-LAS & Return. Going for business (not leisure, but slightly leisure I suppose Big grin ).

I'm flying on the 5pm J328 flight FNT-MKE, then the 9:30pm (times are approx) MKE-LAS flight (Sched'd MD-82). Return is 3 days later LAS-MKE Red Eye (Depart LAS 11:59pm, arrive MKE 5am or so), MD-82, then MKE-FNT on the J328 again departing MKE at about 6:30am I believe, getting into FNT around 8:20am.

What will be fun is seeing that large J328 parked next to the window at FNT. Skyway uses the ramp here at FNT for the Beech 1900D's, therefore, it'll be interesting to see a huge J328 parked next to the window Big grin

No gates are available at FNT for Skyway/Midwest (All in use by other airlines) - Only the ramp slot they have is available.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
Well, the B1900s are being retired so this is just a "casualty" of the retirements.

Really? When was this announced? I specifically booked the J328 flights for my trip to vegas (and I had the Beech 1900 flights as options), however chose the J328's as they're rare and I figured those are soon to go. The Beech 1900's I thought were sticking around for much longer.

If they're retiring the 1900's, whats replacing them? I cant imagine jets to Marquette Michigan, Iron Mountain MI, and other very small airports in and around Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Warszawa (Reply 5):
If they're retiring the 1900's, whats replacing them? I cant imagine jets to Marquette Michigan, Iron Mountain MI, and other very small airports in and around Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

Great Lakes is replacing most if not all the EAS markets



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Midwest Connect is also adding a few CRJ-200's to the fleet. I'm not sure of the markets there.
safe



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

MKE-FNT has historically carried a lot of auto-industry-related traffic, and while that traffic flow is less than it once was, there's a regular stream of traffic related to Citizens Bank of Flint and their many Wisconsin offices (they bought F&M Bank of Wisconsin a few years back). Beyond traffic going between MKE and the Flint area, they also draw people to/from Saginaw, Lansing, and parts of the Detroit area.

Even with NW flying 5 - 6 jet round trips between MKE and DTW, Flint gets a share of MKE-DTW traffic due to (a) MIdwest FF loyalists who use FNT because YX doesn't serve DTW, and (b) people who need a later flight back to MIlwaukee than the 7pm DTW-MKE, the final flight of the day for a few years now. In my office some NW loyalists have booked Flint on YX instead because you can't work a full day, drive to DTW, return a rental car, check a bag, and reasonably make that last 7pm DTW-MKE flight unless you leave the client by 4-4:30 depending on location. Even with the drive to Flint, you can work well past 5 if necessary and still make that 8:55pm flight back to MKE the same night from most of metro Detroit.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3099 times:

Want to talk over capacity....the SkyWest CRJs MKE to CMH! It's a total waste of seats as the 328 filled that route just fine. Average loads for CMH are only the high 20s on a really good day.

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 9):
Want to talk over capacity....the SkyWest CRJs MKE to CMH! It's a total waste of seats as the 328 filled that route just fine. Average loads for CMH are only the high 20s on a really good day.

Umm, while you may ultimately be right, this is day three of the CRJ. And business-heavy markets like MKE-CMH are usually on the light side several days before and after a holiday like Easter.

In spite of 4x/day nonstops with the FRJ, 30% of traffic between MKE and CMH flew someone else in the most recent quarter. In part that's due to the FRJ's getting full or nearly full at peak times. If they can capture more of that 30% and increase connecting traffic they may do fine with the CRJs.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Columbus gets a mix of CRJ's and FRJ's when the dust settles. To start out they likely wanted to concentrate the CRJ's in fewer cities until the kinks are worked out. Both CMH and PIT are getting MCI nonstops with the CRJ ni May, so it's not surprising those are early CRJ markets from Milwaukee.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

When I checked the loads on CMH-MKE on 01 Apr, the first day of the CRJ flights, they were all zeroed-out. I haven't checked since then, but that would indicate a pretty decent load. Granted though, it was a Sunday and no matter who you are, you're flights are going to be full.

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting Warszawa (Reply 5):
The Beech 1900's I thought were sticking around for much longer ... what's replacing them? I cant imagine jets to Marquette Michigan, Iron Mountain MI, and other very small airports in and around Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

They've gone from 12 aircraft to 7 in the past year or so. As RedTail stated, Great Lakes was recently awarded the EAS cities from Skyway (Iron Mountain, Ironwood, Escanaba, and Manistee). The only other cities that do not see FRJ service are Rhinelander, CWA, Marquette, and Muskegon. Whether these cities see any FRJs or just Lakes Air 1900s remains to be determined, and the other cities that already see a mix of 1900/FRJ service will probably move towards all-FRJ, though not necessarily on a 1:1 basis on the remaining 1900 flights.



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2908 times:

Getting back to this thread about the 328 and Flint, yesterday (4/3/07) flight 2004 has 30 people on it!

User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 13):
Getting back to this thread about the 328 and Flint, yesterday (4/3/07) flight 2004 has 30 people on it!

With the way the Skyway operation has been running, I am surprised that the flight wasn't canceled! LOL.. Seriously, I think the FRJ is a good fit for FNT. I would like to see CLE upgraded to the CRJ, tough trying to get there sometimes, plus CO operates ERJ 35/45. CMH will do just fine. PHL seems like two CRJ flights are sucessful, many were oversold this week, could actually use something larger. How is MSP doing?


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 9):
Want to talk over capacity....the SkyWest CRJs MKE to CMH!

Bear in mind, this route used to support multiple DC-9s each day. No one has ever said where those passengers went.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 15):
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 9):
Want to talk over capacity....the SkyWest CRJs MKE to CMH!

Bear in mind, this route used to support multiple DC-9s each day. No one has ever said where those passengers went.

MKE-CMH supported in most instances 2x/day 60-seat DC9 five days a week. Sometimes they scheduled 84-seat D9S. The market was the lightest of the Midwest system. These are numbers for one-way MKE-CMH mainline only....no Skyway stats that far back online:

1994 42.1% load factor (25.4 per departure)
1996 47.9% load factor (28.8 per departure)
1998 42.3% load factor (29.4 per departure)
2000 41.0% load factor (26.0 per departure)

These are just the mainline stats...the 19-seat BE1 traffic (usually 3x/day) are not included in these numbers.

Not a big surprise that Columbus was pretty quickly swtiched to FRJ when the jets came.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

It's about time FNT got a capacity upgrade, that route has been bursting at the seams and has plenty of lucrative O&D pax.

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2298 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
and by Northwest Airlines, with nonstop flights to Ft. Myers, Orlando, Tampa and Detroit.

does Northwest no longer fly FNT-MSP?


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 18):
does Northwest no longer fly FNT-MSP?

Yeah...one evening CRJ for the summer schedule (used to be a morning DC9). I think there used to be 3 DC9s on the route at one point.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 16):
MKE-CMH supported in most instances 2x/day 60-seat DC9 five days a week.

Yeah I remember flying the baby -9 on that route back in the day of true Midwest Express!

Quoting N917ME (Reply 14):
How is MSP doing?

mid 20s - 40s


User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 18):
does Northwest no longer fly FNT-MSP?

No - They do in fact continue to fly this route using a DC-93 and it does well (not surprising - as does DTW obviously). They operate MSP-LAN, MBS, GRR, so no way they'd cancel FNT  Wink Departs FNT around 7am to MSP. The MSP-FNT flight arrives in FNT around 10-11pm (DC-93). They did cancel the LAS route that was operated (Primarily retaliatory to AirTran). I figured they'd cancel LAS once AirTran left (I flew one of those AirTran 73G flights FNT-LAS actually, 100% Load in mid February on a Wed/Thursday Last Year [Forget which day exactly, know it was Wed or Thur] - Surprised they cancelled this route). Northwest held onto the route for quite sometime after AirTran left, I believe all the way up until January of this year.

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 13):
Getting back to this thread about the 328 and Flint, yesterday (4/3/07) flight 2004 has 30 people on it!

Wow - thats good to hear. I've been curious as to the loads on the FRJ flight this week, so I checked the available seats on Orbitz and it seems like the 4-6pm MKE-FNT-MKE FRJ is usually almost always full (which are flights 2003/2004). The new Saturday flight (1x Saturday MKE-FNT-MKE - FRJ) appears it'll go out full MKE-FNT, and likely 50-100% load for FNT-MKE. I do understand that judging the seats that are 'Selected' on a flight are not representative of the # of bookings for the flight. I'm sure many people simply are not selecting their seats until they checkin at the airport.

So far from what i've been able to tell, loads appear to have been [In order of departure times]:

SYX2001 [FRJ] - MKE (6:00am) - FNT (7:49am) - 40-70% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX1005 (B19D) - MKE (7:45am) - FNT (9:49am) - 85-100% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX2003 [FRJ] - MKE (2:50pm) - FNT (4:39pm) - 90-100% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX1106 (B19D) - MKE (6:40pm) - FNT (8:40pm) - 55-80% load factor Mon-Fri

[Return Sector]

SYX2002 [FRJ] - FNT (8:10am) - MKE (8:06am) - 80-100% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX1006 (B19D) - FNT (10:05am) - MKE (10:11am) - 55-85% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX2004 [FRJ] - FNT (5:00pm) - MKE (4:56pm) - 80-100% load factor Mon-Fri
SYX1107 (B19D) - FNT (8:55pm) - MKE (9:01pm) - 50-85% load factor Mon-Fri

This weekends Saturday Flight:

SYX2012 [FRJ] - MKE (10:50am) - FNT (12:39pm) - 95-100% load factor - Saturday Only Service
SYX2013 [FRJ] - FNT (1:00pm) - MKE (12:56pm) - 50-100% load factor (Currently shows about 50%, however i'm sure there are plenty more people booked whom havent selected seats and will not select seats until checkin). - Saturday Only Service

Cant way to be on SYX2004 and SYX2001 in July Big grin



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