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PanAm And Eastern Europe?  
User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I was wondering if PanAm ever served Eastern Europe, and what cities and frequencies? Thanks very much in advance.

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User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Pan Am was the only U.S. Airline serving eastern Europe. In addition to Berlin, they flew to Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Bucharest, Istanbul, Krakow, Vienna, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Ankara. Most were 1X daily.

[Edited 2007-04-02 20:29:01]

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

This link will give a good idea.

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-PAN%20AM.html

Many routes were out of FRA with 727's.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

PanAm in PRG:


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
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Quoting Azstar (Reply 1):
In addition to Berlin, they flew to Warsaw, Prague, Budapest, Bucharest, Istanbul, Krakow, Vienna, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Ankara. Most were 1X daily.

Also, Zagreb, Dubrovnik, and Belgrade.

Most of the time these were from FRA but there were periods in the '80s where some of these were served from MUC and/or ZRH instead. Most flights were actually not even daily - places like Krakow and Prague saw service about 2-4x weekly and some of these were served one-stop from FRA - such as FRA-WAW-KRK or FRA-PRG-KRK or FRA-ZAG-BEG or FRA-SVO-LED.

In terms of nonstops from the US, PA did, at different times, operate the following nonstops:

JFK-TXL (A310)
JFK-WAW (A310)
JFK-VIE (A310)
JFK-BUD (A310)
JFK-SVO (747)
JFK-ZAG (A310)

All others were served either one or two stops from the US via FRA or MUC or ZRH...

[Edited 2007-04-03 10:59:36]

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
JFK-TXL (A310)
JFK-WAW (A310)
JFK-VIE (A310)
JFK-BUD (A310)
JFK-SVO (747)
JFK-ZAG (A310)

They tried their absolute best to convert the FRA-BEG 727 sectors into non-stops but could not "crack" the mighty JAT at the time, who was going upto 5 times per day, in high season, from BEG to USA with DC-10.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
They tried their absolute best to convert the FRA-BEG 727 sectors into non-stops but could not "crack" the mighty JAT at the time, who was going upto 5 times per day, in high season, from BEG to USA with DC-10.

Well, I doubt they ever really wanted it especially because they didn't have the right planes for such services. After Pan am's bancrupcy, when Delta entered the market for a short period of time, chances could have been better if the war(s) didn't stop it.



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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

I flew on PA 707s in the early 70s from FRA-BEG. By '77 I flew on a 727-21 from FRA-BEG.
Fast forward to '84 and I flew on a former Air Florida 737 from ZAG-MUC.
By '87 i went on a 727-200 former NA from FRA-BEG.
In '88 I flew on a 727-200 from FRA-BUD-DBV.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2197 times:

Pan Am and Aeroflot both started service JFK-SVO in 1968 after many years of negotiations. PA operated via CPH and SU operated via YUL. The first North America-Soviet Union direct air service was between YUL and SVO in 1966. SU and AC each operated once a week, AC with a DC-8 via CPH, and SU using the huge 4-engine turboprop Tupolev-114, based on the Tu-95 "Bear" long-range bomber. It was roughly the size of a stretched DC-8-61/63.


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When the US and Soviet Union finally negotiated a bilateral in 1968, SU extended their existing YUL service to JFK but by then they had introduced the Ilyushin-62 jet. It's inaugural international route for SU in 1967 was SVO-YUL. The story was that the Soviets stalled on agreeing to direct service to/from the USA until they had a longhaul jet more competitive with the 707 and DC-8.

AC's operation to Moscow didn't last very long, a couple of years or so. It wasn't profitable and they dropped it but SU continued operating.

Pan Am suspended service to Moscow in 1978 which had also never been profitable. They reinstated service in 1986.

TIME magazine article from July 1968 re the new JFK-SVO service just about to begin:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,900302,00.html


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