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Ariana May Be On Brink Of Collapse  
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

This is from USA Today in the sky (Apr. 2) :

Afghanistan's Ariana Afghan Airlines appears to face a bleak future and "could be days from collapse due to corruption, mismanagement and a crippling aircraft leasing arrangement that has drowned the struggling carrier in debt,"
Ariana's safety department has given certification to mechanics and pilots in exchange for bribes as little as $200. The airline's maintenance department also is said to have 500 people on its payroll but only 30 working. Or consider that Ariana employs 1,800 but flies only seven planes.
Ariana is blacklisted from flying to European Union countries because of safety concerns; it mostly flies to the United Arab Emirates, India, and Turkey. U.S. Embassy and United Nations employees are also banned from flying the airline due to safety concerns.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/04/afghan_airline_.html


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6676 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Are they still flying a passenger 707? Are they the last airline doing it?


The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

I don't think they fly a 707 but I think SAHA Air in Iran still does


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6676 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 2):
I don't think they fly a 707 but I think SAHA Air in Iran still does

I looked again at the photo and the date is 1978. Oh, well...



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Shame to see them collapse. They still have a big office in FRA which must cost them alot. Having that many staff for such a small operation are crazy. I wonder if they will get aid from the Afghan government?? If they had have got their act together they could have made a good airline.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Here is the full USA Today article thats mentioned in the original posters abbreviated blog link

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...airline-on-brink-of-collapse_N.htm



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Just this point that makes me curious :::

''Since the fall of the Taliban regime, Ariana has received considerable foreign support. India donated Airbus jetliners to help the airline recover from the U.S.-led invasion, when six jetliners sitting on runways were bombed.''

Were these planes not insured??? If not would it not be right for USA to replace these A/C if they destroyed them???



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Some Gulf carrier should take over them and help them develop regionally.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Some Gulf carrier should take over them and help them develop regionally.

That would be an ideal solution as long as it wasnt a conflict of interest.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Oh and this $hit happened to them last week:

Ariana A300 overruns while landing at Istanbul Ataturk
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...e-landing-at-istanbul-ataturk.html

Aircraft was written straight off.

[Edited 2007-04-03 18:11:44]


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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Lufthansa Consulting is doing a wonderful job in Kabul ! They have helped them to get on the blacklist in EU and now this !

Either it is an extremely and almost impossible job - then they should have left Ariana a long time ago to protect their image. Or they are just doing a very very bad job for all the EU money they are getting !


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Fish starts to smell from the head first. One should replace the current leadership, bring in some serious people and then start all over again ... it's impossible to solve that issue by gradually replacing people. They definitely need help and leadership from outside by people who don't need the money. Emirates could really do a great job there .. they have the money and the cultural understanding.

When I was working in Vietnam two years ago, we had a supplier in Cambodia who had once started as part of some UN economic promotion program. When product quality and adherence to schedule became worse and worse we paid them a visit. It took us a week to dig in their processes, but only after two days I got the impression to be in some sort of money distribution center ...


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

But how could that be?

Things are so lovely now in Afghanistan!!!


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

They could take a cue from UL (Srilankan). Its a kind of joint management from EK and Srilankan govt. But who want to be EK for the poor Ariana is a million dollor question. May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26491 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Either it is an extremely and almost impossible job

Its proberbly a case of LH advises and then Ariana staff and management decide which bits of advice to take!!!



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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2496 times:

Watch this space, there were already people there looking to set up a new airline even before Ariana got into trouble.

Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.



One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
But who want to be EK for the poor Ariana is a million dollor question. May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?

Qatar Airways would be good.

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

Hope its a reputable concern and not just anybody.


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2461 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

You don't mean Pamir, do you ?


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Lufthansa Consulting is doing a wonderful job in Kabul ! They have helped them to get on the blacklist in EU and now this !

= Right on. LH consulting is such the scam ... I wonder if devaid dollars go to pay LHC fees.

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
May be Saudia / Oman Air / Etihad?

= Saudia and Oman Air need their house checked before advising others. EY makes sense.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

I really don't see much of a future for any Afghan airline. When the US pulls out (and they will), guess who will be there to take over.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

PIA is also blacklisted so Ariana isn´t the only one. No, I think no one wants to help them out without someone else paying.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

The A300 will/is clearly being scrapped. I doubt if replacement will be difficult provided the insurance company pays up.

User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Watch this space, there were already people there looking to set up a new airline even before Ariana got into trouble.
Can't say who but I'm hoping to be out there soon to be part of the team, all I can say at the moment.

If you're talking about Kam Air, don't bother. It's even worse than Ariana. In every respect - service, maintenance, safety, financial strength, corruption, incompetence, you name it. And the incompetence and corruption are so embedded, there's no realistic chance of turning it around.

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6676 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
Or consider that Ariana employs 1,800 but flies only seven planes.

I don't see how any airline can survive with this kind of structure. Let it fail and another start from scratch; there's nothing to build on here.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
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