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Widebody Flights At DTW  
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Hey all, does anyone know what all the widebody flights are at DTW?

I know that Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, Royal Jordanian (I think?), and of course, Northwest, fly widebodies to DTW. Additionally, FedEx and UPS for cargo... Where do they fly, with what aircraft types, and how many flights per day?

Any others planned for the future?

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7669 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

DTW Widebody Flights:

NW NRT 747-400
NW NRT 747-400
NW KIX 747-400
NW NGO 747-400

NW AMS A330-300
NW AMS A330-300
NW AMS A330-300
NW AMS A330-300 (spring/summer seasonal)
NW LGW A330-300
NW CDG A330-300
NW FRA A330-300

BA 763 LHR (part of LHR-DTW-IAH-DTW-LHR)

AF A330-200 CDG

RJ A340-200 AMM (5x weekly or so)

LH A330-300 FRA
LH A330-300 FRA

UPS A300-600 SDF
UPS DC-8 PHL (technically not a widebody)
UPS DC-8 RFD (technically not a widebody)

ABX DC-8 ILN (technically not a widebody)

FDX MD-11 MEM
FDX A310 EWR
FDX MD-10 IND


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

I'm not sure if NW is to bring the return of this flight, but

NW DTW-FCO-DTW A333 (spring/summer seasonal)

During the auto show, LH normally brings in the 744 but seeing as to how they're now 2x daily into DTW, I wonder if they would still do that.

Also BA brought in the 777 during that time period as well where we previously had it during the summer 0f 02-05. Many DTW a.netters like myself are hoping for its return as a few rumors pop up about it, but I think we should not hold our breath to it.


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

What about KLM? As far as I know, NW/KLM have a huge alliance still and seems like the switch off flying between AMS-DTW every now and then.


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Wow, thanks for that great list, that was perfect!

BA does DTW-LHR-IAH-LHR-DTW every day? So, in essence, a BA 763 can be seen at DTW twice daily?


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Also, I didn't realize that DTW gets that many Airbus widebodies a day... that must put it in the top few as far as airports in the US with that.

User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3):

KL no longer flies into here because of their agreement with NW to not fly their metal into NW hubs such as MEM, DTW, and MSP. However, I'd gladly welcome back KL if they returned.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 4):

Yes, but in both directions the 763 doesn't stay for too long and it leaves for LHR at 9:50


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7669 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 2):
NW DTW-FCO-DTW A333 (spring/summer seasonal)

Hasn't operated since Summer 2005, and is not going to operate again this summer either - maybe in 2008 if we are lucky.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 4):
BA does DTW-LHR-IAH-LHR-DTW every day? So, in essence, a BA 763 can be seen at DTW twice daily?

The routing is LHR-DTW-IAH-DTW-LHR - in order to abide by the Bermuda II agreement which will disappear before too long. At that point, the IAH tag-on will definetely be dropped, and its unknown what will happen to the DTW flight - if it can remain as a standalone or if another tag-on will be added as LHR slots will become an even more valuable commodity.

BA 203 LHR DTW 0910 - 1240 763
BA 203 DTW IAH 1410 - 1605 763
BA 202 IAH DTW 1735 - 2050 763
BA 202 DTW LHR 2225 - 1100+1 763

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3):
What about KLM? As far as I know, NW/KLM have a huge alliance still and seems like the switch off flying between AMS-DTW every now and then.

KLM hasn't flown to DTW since 2001. I don't believe KLM has ever operated into the new Worldgateway. As part of their alliance strategy, NW will operate all the Trans-Atlantics / AMS from their domestic hubs, plus a few others SEA & BOS and let KLM handle the outstations, to have roughly an equal number of departures per day. They won't be back to DTW anytime soon.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
KLM hasn't flown to DTW since 2001. I don't believe KLM has ever operated into the new Worldgateway.

I was on KLM B747 flight KL617 on Jan 8th 2003 - I remember because it was my most bumpy flight ever Smile For 3 hours we were at FL270 being tossed around. I remember the cup with water was literally dancing at my table. I had to hold it so that it did not fell off.

The NWA Worldgateway opened, I believe, in Feb 2002. So KL flew into the new Worldgateway.



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3):
What about KLM? As far as I know, NW/KLM have a huge alliance still and seems like the switch off flying between AMS-DTW every now and then.

Not anymore

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 5):
Also, I didn't realize that DTW gets that many Airbus widebodies a day... that must put it in the top few as far as airports in the US with that.

Well since the majority or NW widebodies are A330s....they do have a lot of Airbus widebodies in and out of their every day.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
KLM hasn't flown to DTW since 2001. I don't believe KLM has ever operated into the new Worldgateway. As part of their alliance strategy, NW will operate all the Trans-Atlantics / AMS from their domestic hubs, plus a few others SEA & BOS and let KLM handle the outstations, to have roughly an equal number of departures per day. They won't be back to DTW anytime soon.

In 2002 I flew on a KL 747 from AMS-DTW....and we came into the worldgateway, the world gateway opened that summer.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 9):
Well since the majority or NW widebodies are A330s....they do have a lot of Airbus widebodies in and out of their every day.

The fact that they get them from half a dozen carriers... Northwest, Air France, Lufthansa, Royal Jordanian, FedEx, and UPS... is quite impressive.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7669 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

My bad, you're right KLM did fly into DTW until Spring 2003 at which point NW assumed all DTW-AMS flights. So yes they did fly into the Worldgateway. During this time I was living in Pennsylvania, so may not remember everything from then.

Yep, DTW gets a decent amount of widebody flying. Used to be a lot more when NW flew the DC-10's domestic, and when DL flew in the 763, and United flew in DC-10's and/or 763's.


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Royal Jordanian's DTW-Amman service operates twice-weekly.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Historically we had more widebody service.

AA: DC-10, 747
DL: 767, L1011, A310
EA L1011
SN 747 (Very short lived)
LH 747 (LH started service, dropped it, and then restarted years later)
AZ 747 (Cargo service for the Caddilac Allante)
TZ L1011
UA DC-10, (I don't remember ever seeing a UA 747 in DTW)
PA, 747, L1011, A310
TW L1011, 767, (I don't recall a TW 747 service in DTW, but it is a possibility)

I'm sure there were other charter that came in, but these are what I remember in sched service.

Corrections please!


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2249 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Some others:

AA 767

DL 747 - DTW's first 747 service was on DL, and USAir's gates C7-C11 were originally one big gate (Gate 29) built
for DL 747s. I think DL 747s flew DTW-ATL/MIA/TPA.

UA 747 - UA flew 747s DTW-ORD/LAX until the 1979-82 recession

AA 747F - AA flew the 747F into DTW for about two years in the late 1970's. The flights went away when Ford and GM closed several assembly plants in California in the 1979-82 recession.

PA DC-10 - PA flew DC-10 charters DTW-LAS for Hamilton, Miller, Hudson, and Fayne, in the early 1980s. Some of the aircraft were even in full NA (National Airlines) colors!

AZ 747, DC-10 - AZ served DTW with passenger flights 1970-1974.

EA A300 - in the 1979-82 recession, EA downgauged DTW-MIA from the L-1011 to the A300 for one winter, before downgauging it further to the 727.

BA / BOAC 747

BA L-1011

SN DC-10

PA 747SP - flown DTW-BOS-LHR in the late 1970s / early 1980s



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
DL: 767, L1011, A310

As noted DL 747. I remember our DL Stretch 8 pulled into a gate next to a DL 747 on the C concourse back in the mid '70's.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
UA DC-10, (I don't remember ever seeing a UA 747 in DTW)

UAL 747. I have photos my brothers and I took somewhere....... Stars and Bars scheme I recall.

Side note. One of my brothers flew ORD-DTW on an AA 747 back in the 70's. He flew LHR-ORD on a BOAC 747, then ORD-DTW on an AA 747.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
KLM hasn't flown to DTW since 2001. I don't believe KLM has ever operated into the new Worldgateway.

I was working at DTW then. They returned around June 2002. They first brought in MD-11s, then later upgraded to 747-300s

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
Historically we had more widebody service.

AA: DC-10, 747
DL: 767, L1011, A310
EA L1011
SN 747 (Very short lived)
LH 747 (LH started service, dropped it, and then restarted years later)
AZ 747 (Cargo service for the Caddilac Allante)
TZ L1011
UA DC-10, (I don't remember ever seeing a UA 747 in DTW)
PA, 747, L1011, A310
TW L1011, 767, (I don't recall a TW 747 service in DTW, but it is a possibility)

I'm sure there were other charter that came in, but these are what I remember in sched service.

Corrections please!

AA - I am too young to remember the 747s, but I do remember them flying in DC-10s until at least 1990 and 767-200s and 300s both in the 80s, early 90s.

DL - 767 (both 200 and 300), saw a 400 subbed once in 2001 pre 9-11. The DL 767-200 flew to DTW until late 2002, I flew it to ATL 8am departure in 2002, came back on it at around 10pm. The DL 767-300 flew to both ATL and CVG in
the mid 1990s. The L1011 flew to DTW until at least 1998. My very first plane ride in Jan 1978 was a DL L1011 direct DTW- FLL and back no stops at ATL. The 747s were of course way before my time, but there was a picture in Airliners mag of one there.



DL also brought in an A310 for a while after they got it from Pan Am, this was for the short lived DTW-LGW route.


EA L1011 - never seen it in person, but seen pictures of it at DTW

SN - Both 747 and DC-10

LH - 747 and 747 cargo in the 80s. Restarted in the late 1990s with A340 and occassional 744. Seen LH cargo 742 and MD-11s on a few occassions in late 90s early 2000s

AZ - 747 cargo for Alliente, you are right. Remembered one flying over my house at a pretty high speed.

TZ- L1011 and I even seen their DC-10 back in the 80s. Have a picture of it from the air from a distance on myaviation that I took departing in an Eastern 727 in 1986. Also TZ flew the 707 to DTW until at least 1987 (I know its not a widebody but it makes for great nostalgia.

UA - DC-10, 767-200 and 767-300. Its been ages since UA brought a 767-200 to DTW. The DC-10 was coming to DTW until at least 2000 the 767-300 replaced the DC-10 on DTW-ORD flights up until 9-11. I recall seeing it a lot in summer 2001.

PA - 747, L1011, A310 - you got that part right. Not sure if an A300 came in or not. Part of me wants to say yes but I think it is wrong.

TW- 762 and L1011. I don't think that lasted past about 1988 though.

Other wide body service at DTW in the past:

Rich International: L1011s
LOT: 767-200s for summer charter, also brought in Il-62s in the 80s
Total/Air America: L1011s
BA: L1011s and 747-200s in the 1980s, 747-400s for most of the 1990s, 777-200s in late1990s, mix of 777, 742 and 744 in 2000/2001. Post 9-11 both 772 and 763
KL: 742,743 and 744 during early 90s. Then there were the two flights a day off and on from 1995-1997 where KL would bring in an MD-11 and 744, and later the 743 and 763.

Icelandair flew to DTW in the 80s also with DC-8s.

Otherwise that is all that I can think of for the moment other than the ANA 747s that landed at DTW on 9-11

Cargo:

Fed Ex - A300, A310, DC/MD-10, MD-11
UPS - 767-300 and A300
DHL - once saw DHL A300 depart DTW at night - must have been sub

Cargolux flew in 747s regularly also back in the 1990s, same with Martinaire Cargo with MD-11s

Other cargo charters I have seen at DTW:

Arrow air L1011
ABSA 767-300
MASKargo MD-11
ANA 747
Volga Dnpr AN-124


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2249 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Before NW built up their hub at DTW, there was a lot more charter activity than there is now. Some of the regular visitors:

Trans International / Transamerica DC-10 (I don't remember seeing one of their 747s at DTW, but I'm sure they visited).

Total Air L-1011 - a regular visitor in the late 1980s to LAS

Sun Country DC-10

Martinair DC-10

Finnair also brought in DC-8-62s (not a widebody, but still nice) in the late 1970s on charter flights.

I also forgot to include Flying Tiger and Pan Am 747Fs, which came through DTW several times a week until the auto industy imploded in the early 1980s.

I don't remember seeing World or Overseas National DC-10s at DTW, but I'm sure they visited.



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User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
Before NW built up their hub at DTW, there was a lot more charter activity than there is now. Some of the regular visitors:

In the late 1990's Condor flew a 767-300 to DTW as a charter.


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2762 times:

I recall seeing these at DTW a few times also:


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Photo © Bob Garrard



Not a widebody, but since we're being nostelgic, I saw one of these at DTW too...coincidently this photo was taken at DTW:

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Photo © Bob Garrard




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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
Finnair also brought in DC-8-62s (not a widebody, but still nice) in the late 1970s on charter flights.

Finnair also brought the DC-10 to DTW along with JAT and Condor.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
I don't remember seeing World or Overseas National DC-10s at DTW, but I'm sure they visited.



World,ONA and TIA all brought DC-10's to DTW. Eastern had A300's to MIA from DTW. Total air had Tristars. Swissair even had a charter or two with DC-10's. Lufthansa Cargo had scheduled MD-11F flights.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
AZ - 747 cargo for Alliente, you are right. Remembered one flying over my house at a pretty high speed.

Alitalia and Lufthansa shared these flights.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2723 times:

Along the same lines, is there any widebody action at Willow Run (KYIP) anymore?

User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 19):
I recall seeing these at DTW a few times also:

I remember standing on concourse C's old observation deck in April 1974 and seeing three Delta DC-10's land one right after the other around 12:30pm.

Also forgot Lakers DC-10's visiting DTW


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7669 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2705 times:

YIP sees some widebody action from cargo operations.

Generally, nothing of a daily service nature, but they do show up on at least a weekly or ad-hoc basis

Kalitta flies in 742 aircraft
Kitty Hawk flies in 742's

Most other cargo ops are DC-8's, DC-9's, 727's, and other miscellanous aircraft.

[Edited 2007-04-03 20:43:20]

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2249 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 22):
Also forgot Lakers DC-10's visiting DTW

Good one!

Remember how Laker switched the DC-10 flights to Windsor during the DC-10 grounding?

For those of you feeling nostalgic about DTW, check out my trip report from two months ago, which includes many photos of the interior / exterior of the DTW terminals:

MSP-DTW On NW And AA, 30 Pictures (by WA707atMSP Feb 23 2007 in Trip Reports)



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25 NASCARAirforce : My dad flew on one of those in the 1960s out of DTW to I want to say LHR rather than LGW. Just an occassional Kalitta 742 Kitty Hawk doesn't have 742
26 Post contains links and images WA707atMSP : My all time favorite DTW widebody memory was still the day this picture was taken (not by me!): View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Beach This was
27 Burnsie28 : Minor correction, February 2002.
28 AS739X : I don't think DTW is close in widebodies compared to other airports. ASLAX
29 NASCARAirforce : Depends what airports you are talking about. Yeah a lot of the world's big commercial airports especially in Asia see nothing but widebodies, but if
30 AH332 : Had no idea Royal Jordanian flies there. I didn't think any Arab carrier flew there which was surprising considering Detroit and Dearborn's Arab popu
31 LHboyatDTW : they do, but if I recall correctly, it continues onto ORD and arrives at night. I have seen it in the morning once and it is indeed pretty
32 NASCARAirforce : I thought it was only twice a week. RJ has flown off and on to DTW in the past on weekly seasonal etc. In 1997 I remembered seeing RJ fly in L1011s t
33 Dtw9 : Wish I would have seen this one today APW1432 Arrow Airways, Inc. "Big A" Aircraft McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (tri-jet) (H/DC10/W) Origin Miami Int'l (KM
34 NASCARAirforce : Yeah every once in a while DTW gets an odd cargo charter. I seen an Arrow Air L1011 at DTW parked back in the late 1990s at the cargo facilities wher
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