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There Was An B744 Accident In 1994 Involving SIA  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1634 times:

Just checking somw old airline news from a chinese website (central news agency of taiwan). In 1994, one of SIA's B744 left wing exploded and caught on fire.
The jet was carring 407 pax. and 10 crews. The date was Feb 2, 1994. Route: SIN-BKK-FRA


It's hard to believe they have 2 major serious accident involving B744 in 7 years.

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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1557 times:

There are actually quite a few serious incidents involving SQ744's if you care to research the literature out there....they quite like stalling their 747's for instance...BUT I suspect this is similar with other airlines.

One such incident involved a BA744, which made a very hard landing in Lilongwe, Malawi (not sure they fly out there anymore) in c.1995. The flight was inbound from Gaborone I believe, and was making an approach during a severe thunderstorm (already we see SQ isn't the only airline to fly in pretty marginal conditions...).

Anyway the BA744 crew elected to go-around after making a mess of the first touch-down (a/c bounced back into the air after initial contact with R/W). The crew managed to put the a/c on the ground at the 2nd attempt, but again, nearly made a hash of it due to the conditions.

External checks on the ground at Lilongwe revealed nothing, so a/c flown back to London...when the BA engineering people gave it an inspection there, they were horrified to say the very least. The a/c had been so badly damaged from the hard landings that it should never have left Lilongwe...lucky the 744 came back in one piece...there could have been a terrible trajedy involving BA, needless to say.

So there we are, just though I'd let you in on some exciting revelations about non-SQ 744 incidents. Boeing produce an accident/incident report for each model of a/c, and BA appear quite a few times under the 744 report heading.

Variety is the spice of life 


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Hello,

As far as I know, no BA 747-400 has ever been written off. So how did they manage to repare this aircraft, as it was apparently very badly damaged?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Capt Picard: "There are actually quite a few serious incidents involving SQ744's if you care to research the literature out there....they quite like stalling their 747's for instance...BUT I suspect this is similar with other airlines. " So where's the literature????

"So there we are, just though I'd let you in on some exciting revelations about non-SQ 744 incidents. Boeing produce an accident/incident report for each model of a/c, and BA appear quite a few times under the 744 report heading." Where where where?????  

"already we see SQ isn't the only airline to fly in pretty marginal conditions...)." Kudos to you



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Firstly, the literature is available via various publication sources and journals...my University has a Aeronautical engineering programme with Boeing, and our Engineering library contains various Boeing accident and incident interim reports from various years.

I myself found the report in a book which contained an excerpt from the 1995 Boeing incident bulletin. Unfortunatly this book is at home, but I will definitely be able to to relay the finer details to you next week.

I will also have a look in our University library which houses various duplicated publications. Among the 744 icidents/accidents involving BA are the one cited above, an engine failure over Argentina, the CAL overrun at HKG etc.

Alain,
Indeed the a/c was very badly damaged but not to the extent that it couldn't be rectified. The total cost of the repairs and modifications ran into the millions, they WERE very close to declaring the a/c a write off. Imagine the danger of flying what might be considered a written off plane, with pax and fuel etc.

If BA had indeed decided to write off the 744, they would have suffered a serious safety-lapse enquiry by the UK AAIB and potentially very damaging press coverage. To avoid "loss of face" they must have decided to hush everything up, and do whatever possible to avoid bad publicity ie.rectifying the extensive damage done to the plane.

BA up to dirty little tricks again you see...

Unfortunatly no one is perfect. As I said, I will track down the exact bulletin tomorrow, or quote from my books at home next Sunday.

The book has no record of the exact registration of the SQ744's involved in the stall incidents though...there's something else to think about....

This doesn't sound all-together very convincing, but believe me I've heard quite a few stories from reliable sources...lots of interesting little tricks and secrets if you get to meet the right people...


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

I didn't know about it as I was only 6 at the time.May I know the rego of the plane,if possible>It should have been one of tne 9V-SMx series and 9V-SPA or 9V-SPB


Gundu


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

GUNDU,
I was referring to the BA incident occuring in 95 (not positive about that).

Can't tell you the reg of the SQ a/c involved as it simply hasn't been recorded, it is simply shown as 9V-???

You wouldn't have known about it anyway, no one did but for a very small number of people!


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

I think it is in the www.pprune.com

Alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Yes Mr.BA it is, although my sources are more than rumour...SQ have had quite a few problems in the past, but MANY MANY more have had serious problems too....Emirates and an A310 doing acrobatics over DXB control towr, anyone heard of that....that was only a couple of months ago.....very close to disaster.

As I said, no airline   is perfectly safe.


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Huh?PPRUNE is a pilot rumor forum site!! How can that be in PPRUNE??

User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

SIA's 744 can only take 386 passengers and around 20 crews.There have been no SIA 744's that can take 416 pax and crew.


Gundu


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Uhhh, GUNDU:

That incident was in 1994, may be SIA changed their seating plan after '94. (I was 10 years old at that time)


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I do remember the BA 744 in Africa, however I remember that the aircraft was parked there for a while before they flew it empty back to the UK.

As for SQ, how about the A310 flying from India to Singapore that went into a nosedive after the pilot put a manual on the controls, then turned off the auto pilot !!!


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Hey,

I think i have heard about that, but not too sure. It happened at the BKK-FRA sector. It was reported in Singapore news as "engine fire after takeoff" and another 744 was sent to send the paxs to FRA, with a 3 hour delay.

J777


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Jubes,what plane is it??Rego?


Gundu


User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Gundu:

Jiml1126 was right re SQ's pax config - their original configs for their B744s (then was reg 9V-SMA righ up till 9V-SML) had 24P, 66J and 324Y making it a total of 414 seats...


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

How did they manage to squeeze 324 seats in Y class??????Was the seat pitch 29 ' or something?



Gundu


User currently offlineSIA fan From Indonesia, joined Aug 2000, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

I don't think it's that hard to put 324 seats in economy. It's only 8 more seats than the number of seats SQ has now in economy.


SQ*G BD*S
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

A SQ313 overran the runway at Kuching, Malaysia in January this year.

In regards to SQ seating in Y, I think an extra 8 seats would not change much. Currently the seat pitch (in the 744) is 31-32", you'd probably end with a 31".

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

The BA 747-436 damaged in Malawi mentioned earlier was G-BNLF.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Thanks NA, could you provide the rest of the details, as I don't have them to hand, it would be interesting for the rest of the readers.

Capt.Picard


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Sorry, I don´t have any details about that incident.
btw: G-BNLF is now flying in the new livery with UK flag-tail.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Well this is all very nice. Just goes to show that no airline is safe. So there!

Oh well the A310 thing with the manual seems a bit unlikely. I would think that would come from somewhere like.. er... PPRUNE.COM?????

If SIA are reducing Y seat pitch to 31" I will complain to them to the top (or near there anyway). The pitch of 32" is just like BA's so that's awful.

THe entertainment kind of makes up for it though.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Folks,

Pprune is a very good source of info for little problems we, as pax, don't get to hear about. It all depends on who is writing the post.

I have personally met a few of the contributors, who are genuine airline aircrew (of course I can't disclose a/c type or airline without their consent), there are others who have been unsuccessful in joining a particular airline, and proceed to paint as black a picture as possible about the airline that turned them down. SQ seems a common target.

It's a case of separating the wheat from the chaff-the genuine facts from the made up rubbish.

In any case, I have just been to the University Library and ordered the Boeing 744 index which lists a few incidents with various airlines over the last few years. I'll have the info tomorrow, it should make interesting reading.

The Fragrant harbour forum discloses the horrors of CX management, if anyone is interested...  (Seems credible enough though)


User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Hi Gundu:

Skystar and SIA Fan were right - I think the seat pitch on SIA's B744s then were abt 31" - 324 seats in Y class is only abt 8 more than their current 316... I think that back then, SIA had not introduced Krisworld yet, and only had "main screen" cinemas - and as such, they probably did not had/need such a 32" pitch then. The so-called comfort levels you experience today were non-existent then!!!

And by the way, out of interest, do you know their B743 BIG TOPS had 340 seats in Y class!!!!... Well, their pitch was about 31" too (like their B744s then), but Y class started somewhere between doors 1 & 2 - and it had a much smaller Raffles Class then..


25 KrisworldB777 : In regard to comments about SIA's 743's - complete utter junk - worst aircraft I have ever flown on! Remember, well on the 743's I travelled on, there
26 Hkgspotter1 : The manual thing was from ex SQ pilots, and one of the editors of Flight Internationl !!
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