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AA Applies ORD-EZE From 28OCT07  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070403/datu040.html?.v=89

American has applied for daily frequencies to operate Chicago - Buenos Aires.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Nice.

...the start of a (long expected, by some) Latin expAAnsion from the midwest? Mark?


User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

It is nice to see AA finally adding a non stop flight to Latin America from Chicago (Other than Mexico).


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

I must say, I'm a bit surprised by this announcement, as I never would have expected AA to try and tap into the Midwest-South America market which United has thus far all but spoken far. No doubt, the limited connections from Asia plus many other connections at ORD will fill the flight up, although I don't know at what yields, but I suspect that AA's main target with this route is cargo, and AA will no doubt be moving a lot between EZE and NRT, PVG, etc.

Personally, I also think that a third daily (daylight) MIA-EZE flight, plus a daily MIA-COR flight, are future targets for AA. Perhaps AA will apply for ORD-EZE, allow the other airlines to apply for and receive rights for their wanted routes (EWR-EZE for CO, JFK-EZE for DL, etc.) and then AA can come in and apply for COR, etc. without having to deal with arguing with other airlines -- if everybody gets what they want, what's to argue about? Besides, with the new bilateral, there will be plenty of weekly flights to go around for at least the forseeable future.


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Two things:

1) Isn't Buenos Aires in SOUTH America as opposed to Latin America?

2) How many times has a ORD-EZE-ORD flight been tried out and how many times did it get pulled off?

My sister would have preferred this option for her going to/from EZE as she is studying Spanish down there and comes back on May via DFW. There's a lot of backtracking going that way as opposed to going via MIA as she did on her way down there.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 4):
Isn't Buenos Aires in SOUTH America as opposed to Latin America?

South America is part of Latin America. In common airline industry parlance, Latin America = Mexico, Central America and South America, and sometimes the Caribbean.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 4):
How many times has a ORD-EZE-ORD flight been tried out and how many times did it get pulled off?

By American, never. This would be the first time AA has ever flown ORD-EZE nonstop.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
with the new bilateral,

I haven't heard much about it... what new allotments have been made for the USA carriers?


User currently offlineLan1981 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

I think Latin/South America are interchangeable expressions - after all, most South American countries' languages are derived from Latin (Spanish & Portuguese) - the exceptions are French Guyana, Guyana and Surinam.

[Edited 2007-04-03 23:41:41]

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 4):
1) Isn't Buenos Aires in SOUTH America as opposed to Latin America?

Latin America includes most of Central America and South America. Latin America refers to the part of the Americas where Latino languages are spoken, primarily Spanish and Portuguese.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 6):
I haven't heard much about it... what new allotments have been made for the USA carriers?

Link


User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Great news, Chicago needs more service to South America...Altho on an AA 767...thats one loooonnngggg flight. Bring a book, a computer, a handheld DVD player or something to pass the time.

Good to hear AA is expanding @ ORD.



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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Did UA pull out of this route? If so what makes AA think that they can make it successful?

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 4):
How many times has a ORD-EZE-ORD flight been tried out and how many times did it get pulled off?



Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 11):
Did UA pull out of this route? If so what makes AA think that they can make it successful?

First, I know that UA had been running this flight as a seasonal service for a number of seasons so it wasn't actually being dropped just suspended seasonally. Second, keep in mind that AA is FAR, FAR more committed to Latin/South America than is UA. I expect AA to be very succesful with this flight and likely operate it year-round.



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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 7):
I think Latin/South America are interchangeable expressions - after all, most South American countries' languages are derived from Latin (Spanish & Portuguese) - the exceptions are French Guyana, Guyana and Surinam

French is also a language derived from Latin.


I wonder how UA will react to this, considering they have terminated this not long ago.

Anyways, I don't think AA plans to expand much further out of ORD to South America. Specially in Brazil, they don't have available traffic rights to do so. ALso keep in mind that UA has been flying out of ORD for quite some time. Brazil's market to midwest is bigger, UA has under its belt.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 11):
Did UA pull out of this route? If so what makes AA think that they can make it successful?

The last suspension of ORD-EZE came when UA had to return a couple of 763s in bankruptcy. If AA has the aircraft, there's no reason they couldn't make it work. I wonder if AA will adjust the timing of 288/289 or 153/154 to make the timing of the connections any better. Neither is great right now, though neither is terrible. Connections from DEL, however, are just terrible.



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
I wonder if AA will adjust the timing of 288/289 or 153/154 to make the timing of the connections any better. Neither is great right now, though neither is terrible. Connections from DEL, however, are just terrible.

Which flights are these?


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

I'm sure this will now set off another round of EZE expansion, with DL, CO, and AA all wanting new flights. AA might try and keep the ORD service as well. Should be interesting to see how the other carriers react.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5878 times:

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 15):
Which flights are these?

NRT and PVG.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5862 times:
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Brazil has bad managed it's potential for Northeast... now Argentina come first with probably AA, DL and CO.

Nice news from AA and for EZE. Nowadays it's really huge the number of Argentinians connecting in Brazil because of the lack of non-stop services EZE-United States. Smart change from Argentina that should bring lots of congress, seminars, events, tourists, businessman's and money to Argentina.

Chicago is for sure under-served for South America and IMO it opens a huge potential route.

Felipe



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
First, I know that UA had been running this flight as a seasonal service for a number of seasons so it wasn't actually being dropped just suspended seasonally.

UA has permanently ended Chicago-Buenos Aires.

I am surprised they are going for this before a daylight Miami-Buenos Aires, however, because that would require no new aircraft, but opening up a new route in an unserved market provides greater profit potential.

I wouldn't be surprised if AA applies for another seven of the frequencies, though. They might be waiting to see what Delta and Continental do. If CO and DL apply for the other 14, AA does not stand much of a chance.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5769 times:

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 7):
... after all, most South American countries' languages are derived from Latin (Spanish & Portuguese) - the exceptions are French Guyana....

 Yeah sure

Last I heard, French was rooted in Latin as well.



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5732 times:

Great news! I'm excited we're getting more service to one of my most favorite cities in the world! The crews flying this trip are going to be mega-senior, if they can manage to tear themselves away from PVG, NRT and FCO.

User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5683 times:

Its about time AA added more service to South America, every other airline is adding service to regions they specialize in, its great AA has jumped on board this trend.

I hope we see JFK-EZE go year round with the 777, and COR added to the route map.

On a side note, AA has pulled the end date for seasonal MIA-MVD service in employee reference files. The flights are still scheduled to stop as scheduled but the UA pull out is being evaluated and the route may be restarted as thrice weekly year-round service.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
I am surprised they are going for this before a daylight Miami-Buenos Aires, however, because that would require no new aircraft, but opening up a new route in an unserved market provides greater profit potential.

Agreed, but then, if AA launched a 3rd daily MIA-EZE, wouldn't that reduce yields on their current 2 flights? They really don't have any other US airline challenge them MIA-EZE, so there isn't a competitive advantage to a daylight flight except for cargo and incremental, lower yielding passngers. ORD-EZE can sweep in the market and if it fails, then AA still has 7 frequencies to use elsewhere, right?

Somewhat related, what's the status on MIA-ASU? Wasn't there thinking along the lines of MIA-ASU-EZE which would knock out two birds woth one stone - a return to ASU and a daylihgt, one-stop to EZE...??


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5639 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 23):
Somewhat related, what's the status on MIA-ASU?

MIA-ASU is tentatively set to start in December with a redeye to Asuncion and a daylight from Asuncion with a 757. No tag-on to Buenos Aires. While AA is reserving an aircraft in the winter for this route, it will not happen unless Paraguay drops a government mandated travel agent commission. They have yet to drop it.



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25 Tsaord : AA please get this route! As a self teaching spanish student Madrid and Buenos Aires were the top two places I wanted to attend spanish school at for
26 Usatoeze : UA, even awhile back when its network to/from LatAm was bigger, had a less faithful following than AA does. AA can get you anywhere in this side of t
27 OA412 : Oh thanks for the info. For some reason I thought that it was coming back.
28 MAH4546 : After today's AA announcement, I wonder if it will, since UA still has the route authority.
29 Akizidy214 : Yes... Yes....Would be nice. But it will be a 763.
30 Chinook747 : I hope thier connections work well out of YYC. Currently in order to fly AA to EZE from YYC on AA you end up with an 8 hour layover in DFW. Continenta
31 MAH4546 : AA does not fly Calgary-O'Hare anymore, not even seasonally.
32 Chinook747 : But UA has 3 times yyc-ord daily and it would connect...even if it is another carrier the connections would be preferable to 8 hours in DFW...
33 EKSkycargo370 : Whats the flight duration ORD-EZE and what a/c type,I'm guessing a 772?
34 ORDTerminal1 : It is probably a 12 hour flight on a 767-300.
35 Asuflyer : This was a bad move for Paraguay lost their only widebody service. AA only really carried cargo on GRU-ASU. Never many people. Will this be the longe
36 Albird87 : Why use a 763??? This flight should be a 772 and maybe it might be upgraded once AA receive there 7 or so from Boeing. I cant see that sitting on a 7
37 ElmoTheHobo : Unfortunately not, they don't have the planes for it. I think that JFK-EZE-JFK just returned to the 767 too. ORD-EZE will do well not only because of
38 EKSkycargo370 : A 763,pure madness! Why don't AA buy some B773ER's or A340-500's to serve such routes Even re-entering the 747SP would be a welcome idea.
39 ElmoTheHobo : I don't get why people think that this route is that long. JFK-EZE is shorter by only 300 miles and has been flown by the 767-300 for years. Up until
40 AAL0616 : The 763 will be spun from the ORD-European route pool with legs back to DFW and MIA for scheduling efficiencies, and combined with AAL experience, mar
41 EKSkycargo370 : Its still a long trawl from ORD down to South America,ideal for the 747SP.
42 Usatoeze : Its a perfect flight for a 763 based on what AA has in its fleet, and the operating economics of the flight. The 747SP makes absolutely no sense, giv
43 ConcordeBoy : because the former would require additional equipment that AA has yet to make public a desire to accomodate, and because the latter is a relative pie
44 ElmoTheHobo : The 767-300 is ONLY aircraft that makes sense on this route, and the only aircraft that American has available. I'm willing to eat my words here, but
45 EKSkycargo370 : There is still plenty of 747SP's floating around that AA could purchase.Its a route with perfect range for the SP and suitable for predicted pax and c
46 Albird87 : You guys must be having a laugh!!! Buying an SP for just that route!!! Also buying an aircraft that has been out for 30 years!! What have you been sm
47 EKSkycargo370 : It makes economical sense to purchase a sole 747SP for a specific route only.
48 Cubsrule : Not even close. LY flew (flies?) MIA-TLV with 762s, and that's about 1000 miles longer. 767s can easily make LAX-Europe, which is about the same leng
49 MAH4546 : Still does, 3x weekly. World's longest 767 route. It will still be an issue because the new bilateral will be phasing in. In 2009, it won't be an iss
50 Cubsrule : As usual, you are correct. However, AA is not the sort of carrier to start a route just to hold a frequency, especially when the frequencies become e
51 CayMan : AC flies the 763 YYZ EZE no problem on range there. I think some posters over-estimate the distance from ORD toi EZE, it's long but not that long.
52 ElmoTheHobo : American's previous experience with the 747SP would say otherwise. The 747SP is only useful for routes 6000+ miles, and even there it has a horrible
53 EKSkycargo370 : AA should perhaps bring their MD11's out of retirement,or perhaps look at that the A340-500? Another feasible option perhaps...
54 Eastern023 : I was rolling on the floor laughing when I read this. Defenetely is going to be a 763. I wonder if AA is going to be launching a deep South America M
55 Post contains images FlyMD : No doubt with yet another new international route out of IAD!!! Great to see one of ORDs big two adding new international service even if it is not t
56 Luv2fly : Are you even serious with this? The whole idea is to have as few different types as possible fleet wise. Why add another type just for one route.
57 USFlyer MSP : I flew UA EZE-ORD last February and it was fine in a 767-300. 11 and a half hours and the plane was completely full. The only bad thing was some of th
58 Akizidy214 : Could someone please call Fedex and have them returned ASAP! The 763 is more than sufficient for this route. A T7 would be too much for this route as
59 AA777LVR : Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will...LOL!!), aren't the former AA MD-11's already at FedEx? -AA777LVR
60 JDAirCEO : Look for EZE to become the LHR or NRT of South America. This seems to follow AA's trend of less point-to-point international service but lots of capac
61 Tsaord : Well....I'll get on a T7 some day. I won't be doing any LHR routes untill later next year. I hope AA gets the route authority. I can't believe I'm ac
62 MAH4546 : The flight is full of upgrades and low-fare Y to keep those people off the Miami and New York City flights. No way is DFW-EZE becoming a 772. Don't g
63 Cubsrule : Umm... with whom exactly will they be connecting at EZE? 4M flies a total of what, 2 routes there?
64 JDAirCEO : DFW is not offered as the low fare alternative to MIA/JFK nor is J filled with upgrades. LA / 4M and JJ / PZ actually have many conecting passengers.
65 Cubsrule : I buy the PZ/JJ platoon since they actually use EZE, but if I want to go to MDZ, COR, or Patagonia, I'll be taking LA through SCL.
66 DiscoverCSG : AA is the dominant US carrier from the US to Latin America. I believe the runners-up are, in this order: DL, CO, UA, US. NW barely registers.
67 EKSkycargo370 : Its a shame no other carrier can keep up with EK's success.Perhaps if carriers such as AA reduced their domestic services they could concentrate on ex
68 Luv2fly : Were you dropped on your head as a child? What logic are you using (or should I say lack of) to come up with this stuff you post?
69 EKSkycargo370 : Does everyone not agree,its nice to see diversity of aircraft in an airline?
70 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ....though, amusing to keep in mind that AA did indeed place an LOI for A345s at the 2000 Asian Aerospace show; which soon expired as absolutely ever
71 ElmoTheHobo : I'm certainly not bashing Emirates, they are a very successful airline and I commend them for that. Comparing Emirates to American IS comparing apple
72 AAL0616 : ORD will not become a "mini-hub" for Americas flights. MIA is the Americas hub given geography, infrastructure, market share and the long-term commitm
73 MAH4546 : It is good as approved. It will probably be approved within 30 days.
74 AAL0616 : Si, mi amigo. I was just trying to be diplomatic ...
75 AAL0616 : Also, to clarify, the USA-Argentina expanded air services agreement will raise the number of possible weekly passenger flights between the countries f
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