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CONCORDE-TheFinalFlight in HD in the US APRIL 8!! Watch +remember  
User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Hello all,
I know that there has been other posts on the TV show it's self but I thought I'd let everyone know that the show is now playing in HD in the US. It was my first time seeing it and it was very well done and I must say a blast to watch in HD. Discovery HD Theater often replays their shows. If it is on again I'll let you all know.

BTW there was a segment in the show about a groups of spotters by a lake at JFK? Were any of those guys A.Nutters?

[Edited 2007-04-04 00:02:24]

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User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

I saw it as well - I actually Tivo'd it so I could watch it again!

I never got to fly on Concorde, but my parents got a deal through my dad's work back in about 1993. They flew Concorde from LHR-JFK, watched a Moody Blues concert in Atlantic City, and flew back on regular BA.

When I lived in England, it used to fly over my house - Not that low, but low enough to see it! I remember we always used to be able to see it before we heard it. Even at subsonic speeds, it was fast!!

I was really hoping that when I joined the airline industry I would be able to find a way to fly on it without paying the $6,000 one way. Alas, I ran out of time  Sad

Concorde was a fantastic aircraft and went before its time.



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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

The program was interesting but showed pretty much everything that was wrong with the aircraft. The two national airlines bought things that probably would not be profitable and lost money with it for a long time.

$12,000 round trip means a plane full of the ultra-rich and elite for the most part. That is a sickening amount to pay for an airline ticket.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

Next showing is at 4am-5am EST on Sunday.

User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 2):
$12,000 round trip means a plane full of the ultra-rich and elite for the most part. That is a sickening amount to pay for an airline ticket.

Agreed. What I have a hard time comprehending is that there are people in this world whose time is so valuable that the 3.3 hour $12k flight was justifiable. What do they do?


-K


User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 4):
Agreed. What I have a hard time comprehending is that there are people in this world whose time is so valuable that the 3.3 hour $12k flight was justifiable. What do they do?

There time is not that valuable, they just have enough money that they do not miss the $12k.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 4):
What I have a hard time comprehending is that there are people in this world whose time is so valuable that the 3.3 hour $12k flight was justifiable. What do they do?

You are confusing the figures by suggesting these people either don't travel or go Concorde. The reality is many people on Concorde would probably book F or J if the service wasn't there.

You don't even have to be much a hotshot for the time difference saved by flying R to be worthwhile over an F or J ticket.

This is a real back of the envelope calculation but enough to make my point....

Concorde return (at full fare) = £8200 (as Sept 2002)
BA F return (discounted) = £4200 (as today)
Difference = £4000

Time of Concorde journey = 8hrs 10mins (30min check-in + 3hr30min flying time + 5 min immigration. Done twice)
Time of F return = 17hrs 20mins (1hr check-in + avge 7hrs 30mins flying time + 10min immigration)
Difference = 9hrs 10min

Time cost per hour saved = £436/hr

I'm sure a heck of a lot of people's time are worth more than that, and remember that F price is discounted, so the difference between that and full F is even less.

You could argue that in F you have more room to work in comfort etc so that needs to be somehow taken into account...



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

I watched this show last night. Good stuff; even my wife enjoyed it. Though she pointed out that I had a lot more in common with the "Concorde enthusiasts" than the average passenger. I couldn't really argue with that.  Wink


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User currently offlineJfkspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
BTW there was a segment in the show about a groups of spotters by a lake at JFK? Were any of those guys A.Nutters?

A bunch of them were! Myself, Mirrodie, and some others I can't remember off the top of my head.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21510 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Quoting Jfkspotter (Reply 8):
Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
BTW there was a segment in the show about a groups of spotters by a lake at JFK? Were any of those guys A.Nutters?

A bunch of them were! Myself, Mirrodie, and some others I can't remember off the top of my head.

I was out at Cross Bay for the departure.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
You are confusing the figures by suggesting these people either don't travel or go Concorde.

Oh no no no no. My apologies I wan't clear enough. I was quoting what the show said. I was trying to make sense of that.


User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

FYI... For those of you who missed like me... It's on again I think on Sat. or Sun. on DirectTV; Discovery HD. I looked for it so I can record it.


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 11):
It's on again I think on Sat. or Sun. on DirectTV; Discovery HD.

Available to anyone whose provider carries Discovery HD (DirectTV, DishNetwork, FIOS, Comcast, Cox, etc.)

4:00 am ET Sunday April 8
8:00 am ET Sunday April 15

Listing here:

http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedule...cial.html?paid=66.12338.107566.0.0



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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2468 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Unfortunately, I've been too cheap as yet to pony up for HD-TV, ironic because I wasn't too cheap to buy a ticket on one Concorde flight, albeit heavily discounted. Nearly $4100, was stiill a lot of money for me (only the return half of the round-trip was on Concorde; the outbound leg was coach on a 744) but worth every penny. Hopefully, this show will be made available on standard DVD soon, as well as HD for cheapskates like me. I'll eventually step up to HD but I'll wait until the format war of the players is decided-don't want to be stuck with the losing format ala the Betamax VCR of 25+ yrs. ago.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Concorde operated for over 25 years, so it's 'faults' could not have been that great.
For most of this, AF managed to maintain a small profit on their single daily JFK route-plus charters.
BA made a bunch of money on it for most of it's life too, on double daily JFK's, winter BGI season, IAD from 1976-94, plus charters.
Easier for BA to earn, since the business/financial links between London and New York are stronger than Paris and New York.

And this was the key market, not the famous or frivolous, 80% business on JFK's.
Some combined both, David Frost was able to maintain a career in TV, including presenting, in BOTH London and New York, using Concorde as much as three times a week at the peak of his use of it.

Corporate travel budgets in fact made up the bulk of revenue, this market collapsed in 2002/3 (BA also stopped 1st class on some of it's routes at this time), this, adding to all the other well discussed issues, was a major reason why it retired early, but not as early as many think.
(Had things been different in the 2000-2003 period, we'd be having a lot of threads on here on Concordes recent retirement, or would have had sometime in the past year to 18 months).

It's a good programme, Mirrodie sent me a copy. As stated he appeared in it, including one to one interview, this was as a result of a classic Trip Report he posted on here. After his April 2003 flight, LHR-JFK, on G-BOAC, the TR was still being much read, replied to, many months later. In fact, I think it was on the front page of the TR forum for over a year.
Is this the first instance of a thread on this site, actually leading to the writer to getting on TV? And not just in a brief report in a news programme either.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
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Hey guys, if you have Tivo, or are up at the insanely hour, watch this show...

It's rare to be able to share an experience with so many users here, but if you can watch the April 8 show, check it out.

You might recognize some Anet photograhpers/users on the show, such as
Andy Martin,
Art Brett, how just put his 5000th photo on Anet,
Phil Derner Jr,
Matt Celmer,
Mike Primamore,
JFKSpotter and others!




From
http://dhd.discovery.com/

[h1]Concorde: The Final Flight will air on April 8 at 4:00AM and April 15 8:00AM.[/h1]

(60 minutes) Concorde: The Final Flight
TV-G, CC
British Airways retired the Concorde, ending the era of champagne and caviar at Mach 2 forever. Aboard one of Concorde's final flights, experience the thrill of supersonic travel and find out why this was the ultimate flying adventure.


This show has been on in the past. Out of nostalgia, I want to share the experience with y'all I flew this wonderful machine on April 8, 2003, The Concorde Experience In Minute Detail (by Mirrodie Apr 15 2003 in Trip Reports). So now that they are airing the show 3 years later to the day I flew on her, you know I'll be watching. (It air's from time to time) It was just such an event that I had to pass this on.

I just want to share the moment and this is the best way I know how.




[edit] I just had to delete my own double thread about this.
 ashamed   ashamed  Sorry, my bad, as I did not see this post.


Scarlot Harlot also mentioned someone other Anetter was in the show.....yep, it was me.

Just call me "Concorde Enthusiast"  Wink



So watch the show on the 8th! and crack open a bottle of champers while you watch!



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

There as well when they taped it. A memorable morning for sure, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat if i could!

Justin


User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 2):
$12,000 round trip means a plane full of the ultra-rich and elite for the most part. That is a sickening amount to pay for an airline ticket.

and that is not enough even. I must have read somewhere that even with full payload the concorde was costing
more than it raise fylying, and that was kept for image reasons.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Max777geek (Reply 17):

and that is not enough even. I must have read somewhere that even with full payload the concorde was costing
more than it raise fylying, and that was kept for image reasons.



Quoting BigJKU (Reply 2):
The two national airlines bought things that probably would not be profitable and lost money with it for a long time.

Nope, BA at least (I have never researched AFs operation but from what I do know it was very similiar) ran Concorde as a profit centre from the mid 1980s when they were given full authority over it after the government buy out. At many times it was one of their most profitable areas of business.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
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Quoting Max777geek (Reply 17):
I must have read somewhere that even with full payload the concorde was costing
more than it raise fylying, and that was kept for image reasons.

You may have read wrong.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 18):
At many times it was one of their most profitable areas of business.

Exactly. Actually, there is a lot of fact and fiction out there. Honestly, if you want ot hear from one of the most knowlegdeable people on these forums, regarding Concorde, GDB and Bellerophon are the key figures to consult. The rest of what you hear is rubbish.

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 16):
There as well when they taped it. A memorable morning for sure, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat if i could!

Justin

Yaya, yeah, Justin, that was agreat morning. ONe of the best memories NOT on that vidoe was trudging through that wet sand and under the railroad tracks to get to the beach. Spotting Concorde in commando style  Wink



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Set my HD DVR to record.... thumbsup .... kewl !


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
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Here is a shot taken by Art, one of the guys on the show. He is a huge inspiration to us. He took this on the day that we met for the first time. It was taken four years ago this Easter.



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User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Thanks for the heads up on when they are re-airing it..


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3274 times:
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Well I was pretty happy about it. It's a different version.

Showed some great footage such as the Concorde parts, the wine and food service and also the Conrad cutlery that never flew.

Also showed much less of my mug, which I was happy about  Wink

I didn't know it was filmed in HD at the time. The scenes from the beach were amazing.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Well, that Conran cutlery flew once.
On this flight which I was on, meaning I was one of only 99 'pax' to ever use it, the 'pax' being BA staff on this flight;
Concorde Operational Evaluation Flifgt (by GDB Sep 15 2001 in Trip Reports)

Something to crow about?
No, because of the circumstances that caused it not to be used again, because of what happened that day.
Nothing to crow about, aside from all the dead, then and since, the effects on the airline industry, the primary cause too of Concordes retirement being when it was.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 25, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

So if you think 12K U.S. Dollars is a lot to pay for a flight and "sickening", then what do you think of space tourist Charles Simonyi who has paid 25 Million U.S. Dollars for a trip to the ISS?

Aren't people free do whatever they like with their money?

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 2):
$12,000 round trip means a plane full of the ultra-rich and elite for the most part. That is a sickening amount to pay for an airline ticket.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
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