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Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted To SFO Because Of PAX  
User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

Unruly Passenger Causes Flight Diversion
Tuesday April 3, 6:08 pm ET
Hawaii-Bound Flight Diverted to SFO Because of Unruly Passenger


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A Honolulu-bound Delta Air Lines Inc. jet was diverted to San Francisco on Tuesday when a female passenger became unruly after smoking in the lavatory, federal officials said.
Delta Flight 511, a nonstop from Cincinnati, was over the Pacific Ocean when the passenger had "a complete meltdown freakout," said a fellow passenger who called The Associated Press from the tarmac at San Francisco International Airport.

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The flight was turned around after the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance, said Elizabeth Oglesby of Atlanta.

"She appeared to be out of her mind. Upset. Belligerent," Oglesby said. "He threatened to handcuff her if she didn't calm down. At that point she hit him in the chest."

The woman was given oxygen and was taken to the hospital by ambulance after the plane landed.

Officials with the Transportation Security Administration and Federal Aviation Administration did not immediately release the name of the passenger and it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

Delta spokeswoman Chris Kelly said the Boeing 767 landed safely at about 1 p.m. and resumed its flight about an hour later.

"I wish I was on the beach right now," Oglesby said before the flight resumed. "I think Delta did the right thing. You don't hit a pilot in an airplane."

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User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

I saw this takeoff on tv as I was watching the Padres play the Giants.

I would hate to be on that flight.
Some people are nuts!!


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Wow, I guess smoking is really important to some people!  Wow!


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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

How bad did she need a cigarette? I smoke. I can also handle the time it takes to check in, (~2 hours) a 10 hour flight, and another hour to collect my bags, go thru immigration and customs, and get outside. Plenty of other people do it everyday. She deserves what happens to her, the pilot didn't.


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance,

 eyepopping 

Wow, I'd be surprised if charges were not filed. Out of all the things to do(or not do) on a plane, punching the pilot has got to be one of the stupidest things you can do.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9425 times:

I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew? I thought TSA regs (or at least DL regs) stated the pilot could not leave the cockpit to quell a disturbance.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9372 times:
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Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew?

Most likely the pilot who was on a break and sitting in the crew rest seat. The flight from CVG is over 8 hours long and requires a relief pilot.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

It wasn't a simple case of needing a cigarette; a couple of statements in particular shed some light on the situation:

"She appeared to be out of her mind. Upset. Belligerent," Oglesby said.

The woman was given oxygen and was taken to the hospital by ambulance after the plane landed.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
I suspect that the pilot who was involved was deadheading and not a member of the flight crew?

No. Although CVG-HNL would be a heck of a deadhead...

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 6):
Most likely the pilot who was on a break and sitting in the crew rest seat. The flight from CVG is over 8 hours long and requires a relief pilot.

Yes.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

Funny, if a man did the same thing, he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years. A woman does it, and she gets oxygen. LOL


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21457 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
Officials with the Transportation Security Administration and Federal Aviation Administration did not immediately release the name of the passenger and it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

I would assume it's also a federal crime to attack the flight crew?

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
Funny, if a man did the same thing, he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years. A woman does it, and she gets oxygen. LOL

So true. She was obviously just having a bad day...  Wink



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
he would have been tackled, beaten, handcuffed, sent to prison for 523 years

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2082 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
it was not clear if she would face criminal charges. It's a federal crime to smoke on a commercial flight.

What is not clear??


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Book her Danno! Oh wait, she didn't get to HNL....okay so streets of San Francisco!


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Quoting 1011 (Thread starter):
The flight was turned around after the woman hit a pilot who had left the cockpit to quell the disturbance

The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 942 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

There is a lot of mental illness out there. Why these people seem to be attracted to aircraft that will be flying over water (rather than to mental hospitals) I cannot fathom. I am sure she will get a firm slap on her wrist, and a few extra thousand SkyMiles for her efforts. Oh, it just occurs to me, all you wanna be terrorists out there. Looks like Delta flies this route without a sky marshal. You might want to look into it after you get through TSA security.


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User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Despite the news reports we don't know all the facts about why this woman went ballistic. Perhaps the DL crew knew something about her that we don't, since they were willing to administer oxygen to her.

This reminds me of the tragic incident where a male passenger went nuts in an airplane after it left the gate during pullback. He opened one of the doors and got out on the tarmac, and was later shot dead by security. One could argue that the killing was justified, but this passenger did not have a previous record of mental illness.

We're all nuts about flying on a.net, but sadly some go nuts while flying in the real world. How do you go about preventing that? Inquiring minds wanna know.

SparkingWave ~~~



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
There is a lot of mental illness out there. Why these people seem to be attracted to aircraft that will be flying over water (rather than to mental hospitals) I cannot fathom

Sadly, she might have thought that a vacation to HNL was what she needed to cure her problems instead of a visit to a psychiatrist or hospital. My brother works in the filed of mental health and sees and hears it all the time. A nice vacaction somewhere would take care of their problems, not any counseling and/or medications. The problem is that when they go on vacation they bring their problems with them. and casue trouble for everyone around them just like they do at home.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8623 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.

Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11? You clearly see the pilot's exit the flight deck and a flight attendant enter when one of them is gone to use the lav.

No, this isn't a major breach of security, that would have been if they allowed that woman on the flight deck.....never mind she interferred with a crew member.......she needs to be locked up, end of story.



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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security?

The press reported the story wrong. The pilot did not leave the cockpit. The pilot involved in this incident was the relief pilot who was already in the back of the plane during his rest period.


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11?

Yes, in fact I have been on several long-haul flights after 9/11. But I clearly remember hearing that pilots would no longer intervene in cabin disturbances, that the burden for dealing with those rested with FA's. That's why so many FA's have taken self-defense training.

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 18):
The press reported the story wrong. The pilot did not leave the cockpit. The pilot involved in this incident was the relief pilot who was already in the back of the plane during his rest period.

That explains it. My question is now moot. Thanks, Bucky707.



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User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.



Quoting Contrails (Reply 19):
Yes, in fact I have been on several long-haul flights after 9/11. But I clearly remember hearing that pilots would no longer intervene in cabin disturbances, that the burden for dealing with those rested with FA's.

Agree, guess I didn't gather your intent was strictly addressing a pilot getting involved in a cabin disturbance but more along the lines of leaving the flight deck at all which seemed a bit rash.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also?

At least half of the 744 flying have this feature.
The flightdeck door is installed aft of the 4U (fwd r/h) lav.

Tod


User currently offlineFutureSDPDcop From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 12):
Book her Danno! Oh wait, she didn't get to HNL....okay so streets of San Francisco!

Or Nash Bridges.

Quoting Contrails (Reply 13):
The pilot left the cockpit? Isn't this a major breach of security? I thought pilots were supposed to stay in the cockpit, per post-9/11 procedures.



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Have the airlines put lav's into the flight deck now also? Come on, have you not been on long flights since 9/11? You clearly see the pilot's exit the flight deck and a flight attendant enter when one of them is gone to use the lav.

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I remember hearing about the pilots being stuck in the cockpit once landing. They couldn't open the cockpit door from the inside and the next crew taking the plane couldn't open the door from the outside. One of the pilots in the cockpit had to use a water bottle to relive himself.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 21):
At least half of the 744 flying have this feature.

And how many B744's does DL fly? That many huh....... Smile



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User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

It sounds to me like this woman may have been in the throes of a mega panic attack of quasi-psychotic proportions. The attempt to calm herself with nicotine fits that hypothetical scenario. As does the fact that it occurred aboard an airliner, as being in a confined space for any length of time can trigger such attacks in vulnerable people. In which case, the use of oxygen makes sense, as some of the physical symptoms of a full-blown panic attack mimic those of a heart attack. Personally, though, I would want her handcuffed or restrained while receiving the oxygen. Even as a medical professional with more than 40 years of experience, full-blown panic attacks with uncontrollable combative features scare the crap out of me. I've been decked more than once by such patients. The rage and violence can be explosive and unpredictable. And, yes, she should be charged criminally, and I'm sure she will be. Any mitigating medical facts can come out at trial.

ChinaClipper40


25 Corey07850 : Who has the number for the AP handily stored in their cell phone?
26 Post contains images Charger : Maybe it wasn't a cigarette. Seriously though it sounds like she had some type of melt down.
27 Post contains links Flyingbronco05 : Here is the flight path: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...1/history/20070403/1403Z/KCVG/PHNL
28 Lorgem1 : Yes Sireee! I'd say 524 years!
29 LawnDart : Your comment borders on irresponsible... Air marshals try not to get involved in incidents like this: it was obvious the crew had the situation under
30 DL Widget Head : I agree LawnDart, most reprehensible; especially coming from someone who claims to be a physician.
31 Zippyjet : Didn't you hear? I understand this passenger will be guest starring on "The View." And then she'll hire some lawyer and try to sue DL. And then the p
32 Anthsaun : We are not getting the real picture of the act. Let us gather some info... * The flight was some 30 min. off California's sea cost. * Was she travelli
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