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EA Plans For ATL  
User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

I know Delta is now the 800 pound gorilla in ATL, there was a time 20 years ago
that EA and DL were basically neck to neck in size in ATL. I believe when EA
shut down there was 51 gates....33 in C concourse and 18 in B concourse.
did EA have any plans to expansion there into another concourse?
Was there only A, B, C and D at the time?

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Thread starter):
I believe when EA
shut down there was 51 gates....33 in C concourse and 18 in B concourse.
did EA have any plans to expansion there into another concourse?
Was there only A, B, C and D at the time?

Yes, but you're forgetting about the International Concourse (now T gates), which had 8 gates at first and then was expended to the present sixteen. AA's baggage claim was the Customs facility, IIRC.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Thread starter):
I know Delta is now the 800 pound gorilla in ATL, there was a time 20 years ago
that EA and DL were basically neck to neck in size in ATL. I believe when EA
shut down there was 51 gates....33 in C concourse and 18 in B concourse.
did EA have any plans to expansion there into another concourse?
Was there only A, B, C and D at the time?

Eastern and DL were never neck and neck in ATL, DL was always ATL's largest airline. In 1980, for example, DL had 335 daily flights to EA's 240, and it never got any closer than that; and even at that time DL's ATL hub was the world's largest. Both had substantial ops at ATL though, similar to AA and UA at ORD. DL benefitted a lot from EA's demise though, and grew rapidly at ATL afterward. But as stated above, EA had all of C and half of B.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

It's been a while since I've been to ATL....and even longer since I've been down Concourse C.... Is the seperate underground tunnel that used to connect B and C still open?

Ahh the memories of the old computerized monotone voice on the PeopleMover... "Please move to the center of the vehicle and away from the doors!"

-bcoz


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting Bcoz (Reply 3):
It's been a while since I've been to ATL....and even longer since I've been down Concourse C.... Is the seperate underground tunnel that used to connect B and C still open?

Yes it is still open. Nobody knows about it and the thing is always empty. I take it on the rare occaision thatI have to go from one to the other or I'm bored while waiting for my flight in B and would rather use the new Crown Room over at C.



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 743 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

If I recall wasn't the MIA hub actually larger in terms of movements than ATL or did just seem that way? Either way, I do miss the Whisperjets at ATL.

Last EA flight I was on was ACY-DCA-ATL and I believe there were more crew personnel on the flight than passengers. That was about 1-1/2 weeks before the shutdown, sad times indeed.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
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Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
Eastern and DL were never neck and neck in ATL

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Incorrect. EA and DL were neck and neck in ATL for quite some time, with EA only beating DL's enplanements once - in 1983, the year EA carried more passengers than any other airline.

Starting in 1986 DL rapidly pulled away and EA didn't keep up.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

It seemed like when I was there in 1986 flying Eastern, that Eastern vs. Delta would be comparible to today's Air Tran vs. Delta.

I was thinking that Delta used the A and B concourses back then, while EA used part of C and part of D. ASA was parked I think at B or C as I recall seeing the ASA Dash-7s and Banderaites there. I remember also being parked next to a Republic Airlines DC-9 when I was inside an Eastern DC-9, so obviously they shared the concourse with other airlines.


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 5):
If I recall wasn't the MIA hub actually larger in terms of movements than ATL or did just seem that way?

At its peak, Eastern had about 70-80 nonstop flights from Miami. So no, it was never near the size of the Atlanta operation.


User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

US PIT is right - the T gates (formerly 14 gates when it was the Int'l concourse) now used by DL and AA. I worked on T when it was Int'l in the early 90's... T-14 was BA, T1-T7 were DL, T8 was LH, Swiss was at T-11 most of the time... I miss those days.

EA used all of C and half of B when I flew through (1984) MLB-ATL-IAD. I don't think I ever flew them after that. I loved the sneak passage.

And that people mover voice sounded like maximillian the robot from the old movie "The Black Hole."

PG



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 7):
I was thinking that Delta used the A and B concourses back then, while EA used part of C and part of D.

Delta used all of A and half of B. EA had half of B and all of C.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting Planeguy727 (Reply 9):
And that people mover voice sounded like maximillian the robot from the old movie "The Black Hole."

Don't you mean Cylons from Battlestar Galactica?  Wink



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 7):
ASA was parked I think at B or C as I recall seeing the ASA Dash-7s and Banderaites there.

ASA was on D from the time they started operations out of Midfield. They didn't move over to C until the mid 1990s and when they first moved over to C, they operated out of C-South while Valujet was operating out of C North (I believe the swapping of ends happened during the shutdown).


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User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
ASA was on D from the time they started operations out of Midfield. They didn't move over to C until the mid 1990s and when they first moved over to C, they operated out of C-South while Valujet was operating out of C North (I believe the swapping of ends happened during the shutdown).

I was working for ASA at the time of the switch from D to C. My memory is a little fuzzy, but we only operated on 3 gates on the south end C concourse while the rehab was going on late 1995 early 1996. Sometimes we did use the very end of C concourse to park Brasilias in the are that Eastern Commuter used before, I think C1 and C2. The 3 gates were for the BAe146s we were operating at the time. We started using the BAe146s on E concourse to begin with.

Valujet (AirTran) was operating on the north end of C concourse along with Kiwi before they folded. Once the rehab was done on the south end of concourse C, Valujet moved. Rehab was then done on the north end of C for ASA. Once completed we moved the operation from D to C before the Olympics in 1996.

Valujet was operating on the south end of C for a while before the shutdown.

N757KW



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
ASA was on D from the time they started operations out of Midfield. They didn't move over to C until the mid 1990s and when they first moved over to C, they operated out of C-South while Valujet was operating out of C North (I believe the swapping of ends happened during the shutdown)

At first I was going to question that because in 1986 I seemed to recall looking to the west out of the terminal to see the ASA planes and knowing E wasn't built yet but then I must have thought wrong because I saw a photo I took back then when I was 11 from ATL. It is crap quality out of an Eastern DC-9 with scratched windows. Note the old crosswind runway visible in background too.



User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
ASA was on D from the time they started operations out of Midfield. They didn't move over to C until the mid 1990s and when they first moved over to C, they operated out of C-South while Valujet was operating out of C North (I believe the swapping of ends happened during the shutdown).


I believe they swapped since the connector that EA built was in the North part of B & C
and DL wanted to use the underground passage way for DL mainline to ASA.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2063 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
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Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
DL was always ATL's largest airline

EA was ATL's "first" air line and DL was pretty "small potatoes" at ATL untill the early '50's merger with C&S began to change the dynamics.

It wasn't untill we were into the early '60's that the company really began to catch up with EA at ATL. With some good equipment choices (and some good luck too!) and a strong service standard (Royal Service). AND the introduction of the only non-stops to the West Coast. Of course, a great advertising department and the introduction of the Early and Owly Birds did much to boost the company's presence.
The advertising department also had a field-day with the introduction of ATL's( first )pure-jet service DC-8's, and in rapid succession, the CV-880's (fastest) and DC-9 (to replace all the remaining piston types).
Right on the heels of all this came the stretched DC-8's and by then, as far as the folks here in ATL were concerned DL was TRULY the "Air Line with the Big Jets" ----and little ones too!.

Of course, EA was not asleep at the switch either, as by the mid-sixties their "Operation Bootstrap" had done much to increase the competitive pressure at ATL. The public benefited greatly. A snap-shot of ops. at ATL during mid-1979 would have shown both companies running neck and neck with the ( poor old 1961 era "Jet-Port") facilities literally bursting at the seams with activity. OMG those pushes were just madness! The line-ups waiting to take-off--- endless----it was crazy man!

IMO the real "kicker" came when DL was operating all three of the worlds "wide-body" types out of ATL at the same time. It was pretty impressive there for a while! L10's, D10's, and 74's all sharing the same "Rotunda" with rows of stretched 8's flanking the gates leading out to them. 'sssssmokin baby!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

One side note about the C concourse is that the south half of the C Concourse was originally for United. When the airlines signed leases for the new terminal in the mid 1970s, DL leased all of A and half of B, EA leased half of B and half of C (with the "secret" tunnel connecting EA's B and C terminals), UA was in the rest of C, and Southern, Piedmont, Braniff, Northwest, and National were in D.

After deregulation, UA realized they wouldn't be able to compete with EA or DL at ATL, so they pulled out of ATL before they could move to the new terminal, and released their space in the new terminal to EA.



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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 5):
If I recall wasn't the MIA hub actually larger in terms of movements than ATL or did just seem that way? Either way, I do miss the Whisperjets at ATL.

I think MIA may have looked larger because I believe they most always had more widebody ops than ATL. As far as I know, EA never had the 747 scheduled into ATL, and of course the L10's and AB3's were commonplace along the eastern seaboard and EA's Caribbean/SA services.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 18):
I think MIA may have looked larger because I believe they most always had more widebody ops than ATL. As far as I know, EA never had the 747 scheduled into ATL, and of course the L10's and AB3's were commonplace along the eastern seaboard and EA's Caribbean/SA services.

How abuot Eastern's brief use of the DC-10-30 in the late 1980s? did they ever operate out of ATL? Did EA have any routes to Europe out of ATL?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6412 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 19):
Did EA have any routes to Europe out of ATL?

I'm pretty sure EA only flew MIA-LGW with DC10-30's. They never did ATL-Europe nonstop.



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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1592 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

The DC-10s were never scheduled through Atlanta but the did pass through on occasion as equipment substitutions from LAX, JFK, and MIA.

Eastern actually had half of B + one. B18 on the Delta side of the concourse was an Eastern gate.


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