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Sweet Sixteenth: Another Serving Of Irish Aviation  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Flying through the air with the greatest of ease, we touch down smoothly onto another Irish aviation thread; welcome, bienvenue, failte, benvenido, etc etc.

It's been an interesting few weeks and since it's now the second quarter, Aer Lingus's new fleet order shouldn't be too far away; same with the announcement of its new European base. I was relieved, I have to say, that rumours about London being the chosen base were unfounded; I wonder if someone got mixed up with rumours about EI's interest in bmi and put two and two together ...

Anyway, we've seen some significant developments in the last two threads, so let's hope this one will be as positive and fruitful!

With an election expected six weeks from now and the alternative coalition expected to launch its manifesto this week or early next week, let's hope that aviation isn't overlooked (again!) It would do no harm for DUB to be a major focus, not to mention other airports. With competitiveness a key issue, the importance of air transport should be noticed and a major issue for all parties.

Other issues coming up: I guess we'll probably hear something about FR's objections to T2 and also, its intentions in relation to EI, now that it seems to have given up on the purchase.

Over to you, folks; enjoy!

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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

As always a nice introduction Katiak...; Félicitations!

Now just a question, as it may just be me getting my hopes up. I imagine EI still haven't finalised there winter 07/08 schedule. As you all know I've been pretty pi**ed off since they dropped TLS for the winter (mind-boggling given that it's one of the main gateways to the Pyrenees for skiing holidays) and replaced it with BOD year-round a couple of years ago. Anyway, now and then I check schedules and try to book TLS flights for the winter, always to be informed that the flight doesn't operate at that time of year. Now I notice today it is also not possible to book BOD-DUB giving the same reason. Could this mean they've simply dropped BOD for the winter (from my experience loads were always much lower than on the TLS route in winter), and neither TLS or BOD will be operated next winter? Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period? Any ideas?

I know I must bore you all with this, but I spend so much time wishing they'd start TLS again, and I just continue to hope...



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
I know I must bore you all with this, but I spend so much time wishing they'd start TLS again, and I just continue to hope...

No, I know what you mean. It would be so much handier for you, and nice to know that there's a little piece of home flying in and out of your local a couple of times a week (local airport that is, not pub!). Capacity/Flexibility is a slight problem for EI. They're completely ill-equipped to alter the aircraft that fly routes which may require a drop in capacity in the winter. I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Re: The Aircorps

One of these would look good @ Baldonnel.


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5916 times:

It certainly would; they have a new smaller one now, the A318 Elite. The current one is now about sixteen years old, so it may well be coming up to the time to replace it. I do think they need one, but I hope it's accompanied by spending on other areas of defence.

I agree with what you say about there being nothing smaller than the 320; I think there is a need for an aircraft which can sustain service to less travelled destinations during the Winter months; for us here in Jersey, like TOU, we have a seasonal service and unfortunately, ours doesn't start until late May, although thankfully still at three a week. I don't see EI getting anything smaller than 320s, but I wonder if it might be possible for another airline to take over some of these routes; TOU is a bit too long for an ATR72 from Ireland, but JER would certainly work.

The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly with EI as the sole customer for the area; this could potentially be a very good move, AS LONG AS there is a security facility there, which would allow pax to go right through, without having to go back upstairs, so it could effectively reduce congestion in two different ways. And while they're doing that, it would do no harm to look at an airside connection facility.

http://www.businessworld.ie/bworld/livenews.htm?a=1687077


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period?

with the additional 320's coming on stream this year I'd imagine they are reworking schedules for the winter, you never know they may decide TLS is due a year round service (maybe at a much lessor frequency)



John Hancock
User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly

There was nice shots of it on the Six one news, very modern. They said they it will accomodate four million EI PAX.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
but I wonder if it might be possible for another airline to take over some of these routes; TOU is a bit too long for an ATR72 from Ireland, but JER would certainly work.

Like the WX/AF arrangement? I've thought about this and was wondering:

(a) What routes would qualify to be tranSferred over to the new carrier?
(b)Would this action be compatible with their overall business strategy?

In relation to (a), I was thinking maybe Toulouse, Lisbon, Bilbao, Jersey, Rennes, Naples and Santiago. Now I'm only surmising, for all I know some of the routes I just mentioned might justify an A320, but IMO they're seasonal. Seasonal aircraft could also open the opportunity of launching new routes such as Basel or Copenhagen (again).

In relation to (B), would a franchise carrier be justified by EI's business model? Would it offer them any benefit as a LCC?


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

I would love for Aer Lingus to get A319s but so far orders have all been for the A320. They have 8 options for more A320s and some could be converted to A319s but EI may feel that keeping routes seasonal is better than ordering A319s. EI want to have a fleet of about 42 so there is lots of room for some A319s and more A321s if they feel the need for them but I suspect the main bulk of the order will be for the A320.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

That would look great maybe if (and it's a big if) Aer Lingus ever tried to buy RE or start their own regional airline we may see some but that would be years away if it were to happen, which I doubt.

Also, thanks to a thread on Hobby I have started sketching A350s and 787s in EI colours. I can get very bored when theres nothing on TV! Take a look if you like, I'm currently drawing an EI 787 with a special livery celebrating the order (if they order the 787 that is)

Post Your Drawings (by LASOctoberB6 Mar 30 2007 in Aviation Hobby)


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
No, I know what you mean. It would be so much handier for you, and nice to know that there's a little piece of home flying in and out of your local a couple of times a week

You seem to know exactly how I feel!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
They're completely ill-equipped to alter the aircraft that fly routes which may require a drop in capacity in the winter.

Agreed. If often wondred (in my functions as a great airline armchair CEO) how positive is a seasonal route. I can understand destinations that are purely summer/sea destinations and winter destinations (purely skiing), but on other regional routes I wonder about the wisdom of starting and stopping services. When EI started serving TLS there was a lot of hype about it, then people started saying to me "what a pity EI no longer fly to TLS", and I have to correct them saying that they do, but only in summer. What I'm trying to say is you start to gain a market, then suddenly close it off for part of the year, resulting in much of the market looking elsewhere.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

That would be so wonderful.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
I agree with what you say about there being nothing smaller than the 320; I think there is a need for an aircraft which can sustain service to less travelled destinations during the Winter months

As you all know, I agree.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
The DAA announced today that the new check in facility, Area 14, would be opening shortly with EI as the sole customer for the area;

Any idea when this will be open? I'll be flying into and out of DUB next week and would love to see it.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
with the additional 320's coming on stream this year I'd imagine they are reworking schedules for the winter, you never know they may decide TLS is due a year round service (maybe at a much lessor frequency)

Fingers crossed Smokeyrosco... yet I won't get my hopes up too much.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 6):
There was nice shots of it on the Six one news, very modern.

Must watch that on the RTE 9 o'clock news tonight through Sky and hope they'll show it again.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 8):
Must watch that on the RTE 9 o'clock news tonight through Sky and hope they'll show it again.

There's a computer-generated picture of it here under the page titled "Projects". The only thing to note is that the huge lights on the roof are multi-coloured!


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Here's what I could find, the FR route map wont be there though!
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/SkyNet1000/DUBcheckin.jpg


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Could it be simply that certain routes are still under consideration for the sinter period? Any ideas?

I think this is the case. There are a lot of routes from ORK that are still that way. I tradtionally chops and changes the winter schedule down here a bit, usually increasing teh city destinations and reducing the AGP/FAO, etc. Hopefully MAN will go daily as will BHX, maybe with better timings as well.

BTW the new EI website looks good, The functionality of EI.com was always pretty good. If I was being picky, Id say there are too many shade of green, although 40 shades of green are better than one shade of yellow!

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27233 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
With an election expected six weeks from now and the alternative coalition expected to launch its manifesto this week or early next week, let's hope that aviation isn't overlooked (again!)

Hmm why do Irish elections fail to excite me !!!! I would like to see Health Service properly run and investment with a system like the UK and prescriptions only costing Eur20 max instead of the current Eur70, Broadband roll out to the rural areas,lower car tax for cars under 1.5 litres and also a decent and forward looking plan for Dublin Airport and integrated public transport system.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 2):
I have this image of a shiny E190 in EI colours frequenting our shores!

Would be cool but arnt Air Canada having teething problems with them ??? I know LOT had problems with their E170's when they got them. It was a computer error, I know because I was on one of the first flights from DUB to WAW and on the outbound and return we were delayed for the same problem.

Cant wait to take a look at area 14 , I will be flying out in 2 weeks so it should be well up and running by then.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Aer Lingus are advertising UK-IRELAND-US routes on the UK version of aerlingus.com

Quote:
Flying to the US from the UK is as easy as ABC!

A. Book your low fare at aerlingus.com
B. Check your bags through to your final destination
C. Connect in Dublin with the ease of clearing US immigration without the queues

www.aerlingus.com

I looked at LHR-ORD for 10 days in early November and the fare was £327 return! That's quite tempting but of course I will have to bring more than hand luggage so it will be a few more £ still better than BA which was £477.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

Good to see those photos; they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally. It is also good for EI, as it effectively means that the airline will be the only one that has its own gate access; presumably there'll be a special channel for J Class pax.

One thing conspicuously absent from the photo above (and thanks, Shamrock350, for posting it!) are the E-check in machines! The place looks quite bare without them!

As to flying directly, it is SO much better; it's not just the obvious element of time, although it is interesting that JER-DUB is only the same length (timewise) as LGW-DUB, indeed even shorter in terms of block-time, yet I have to fly from here to LGW and WORSE STILL, face an extra £20 in taxes for my trip. God, I hate Gatwick! I have discovered a new option for this Summer, however (until the EI route comes back): JER-MAN with BA and then, MAN-DUB with LG - never flown with Luxair before, so that should be worth trying!

Anyway, moving swiftly along ... it occurred to me that there has been very little talk from EI about those two 330s that DM was talking about some time ago. I guess they are in the overall "pot" as far as negotiations with Airbus are concerned; with Airbus having no shortage of takers for 330s - Oman just committed this week - it would not surprise if Airbus let them go elsewhere if EI decided to go with Boeing. Of course, this still doesn't preclude more 330s, because they could still come via a lessor. Don't forget that of the current 320 fleet, around 7 are from ILFC and 10, acquired directly (or vice versa - can't remember which!).


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

I'm sure the fast past machines will be everywhere when it's open!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
it occurred to me that there has been very little talk from EI about those two 330s that DM was talking about some time ago.

DM talked about them when the results were announced, just what he has said before, "we have two A330 long-haul aircraft ready for early 2008 if we need them" now this makes me think an order has been made or will be firmed when the long-haul order is made, may it be A350 or 787.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27233 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
MAN-DUB with LG - never flown with Luxair before, so that should be worth trying!

MAN to DUB with LG is something id love to do also sometime. Did you ever try BD JER_LHR_DUB?? I saw some good fares on their website a few weeks back.


User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally.

I don't understand what you mean?

Currently there is hoarding outside the security check point opposite area 13. I presume that this is the moving staricase and lifts from the basement.Will EI passengers not have to clear security on the main departures level?


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 9):
There's a computer-generated picture of it here under the page titled "Projects". The only thing to note is that the huge lights on the roof are multi-coloured!



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 10):
Here's what I could find, the FR route map wont be there though!

Thanks for the link and pictures to the two of you.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 11):
Hopefully MAN will go daily as will BHX, maybe with better timings as well.

Fingers crossed for you Brian... and for my year-round TLS-DUB!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Hmm why do Irish elections fail to excite me !!!! I would like to see Health Service properly run and investment with a system like the UK and prescriptions only costing Eur20 max instead of the current Eur70, Broadband roll out to the rural areas,lower car tax for cars under 1.5 litres and also a decent and forward looking plan for Dublin Airport and integrated public transport system.

Welcome to Ireland! I think everbody would like to see the Health Service run properly, it's disgraceful. I've had my fair share of witnessing the Irish health system the past 5 years due to my dad and then my mum, and to be honest, at times it's close to being criminal. Yet I have nothing but good words for the nursing staff, and must say all those Philippine nurses are brilliant. What you all need is a medical system similar to the French. It's difficult to tell any difference between a private and a public hospital here. And prescriptions... each time I go to the chemist with a prescription, and that's been often this winter, I pay the whopping sum of €0.00! Irish car taxes are awful, not point in even mentioning a forward looking plan for Irish airports, and an integrated what??? Yet OA260, Ireland is, believe it or not, a much better and more developped place than it was when I was growing up there.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
they do actually have access to the gates from the check in level, which will relieve a LOT of pressure from the airport generally

That is great, and will hopfully avoid those awful lines at security. I can't wait to see this area, as to be honest it doesn't really appeal to me, seems quite claustrophobic to imagine checking-in in the basement, but I'm sure it'll be fine.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

Does anyone know what the saints names will be for the new A330s. Also will they be delivered in May or June. Will they be delivered together like but with a few weeks in between like EI-SHN and EI-DUB which had two weekd between them.

Also I heard a rumour that EI had a A330-200 going to be delivered in the Autumn of 2001, but was cancelled. Can anyone confirm/deny this? If it was coming on line where would it have gone? Maybe more secondary airports in the U.S like SJC, or the MCO route?



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

If you look at the very back of the picture of area 14, you'll see they stuck in the Ryanair route map for the craic (Aer Lingus will be the exclusive users of area 14!)

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

I'd say one A330 will be delivered in May sometime and then the next one in early June we may see them together in TLS sometime during testing. Maybe Toulouse will be able to tell us something if he spots anything during those weeks.

I'm watching the RTE 9 news on RTE.ie now if they show the new checking section.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27233 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 18):
Yet OA260, Ireland is, believe it or not, a much better and more developped place than it was when I was growing up there.

Yeah I know , im here 10 years and its changed alot from the day I arrived. The whole place has been cleaned up and especially around the border counties. Its great to see but some things like the health service are still in the old days. But 20 years ago I couldnt have lived in Ireland and now I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 20):
If you look at the very back of the picture of area 14, you'll see they stuck in the Ryanair route map for the craic (Aer Lingus will be the exclusive users of area 14!)

I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .

It would be a bit more impressive than Ryanair's with DXB and all the US routes on it!


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
I guess that was when FR were going to be going down there !!! Id love to see an EI route map up there , it would look very nice if it was green like they used to have in their timetables .

EI have a route map very similar to that in the back of the Cara magazine. Its spread over two pages. It starts with the pacific ocean on the left and ends just a little east od Dubai.
Although I think you may be right in saying that its an FR map.



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
25 OA260 : I know this might sound crazy but I would like to see a route map in both English and then Irish showing the destination place names in both languages
26 Post contains links Ei 168 : There's the link there as regards the new check in area. Its about half way down the page. http://www.rte.ie/news/6news/
27 Post contains images Shamrock350 : That would be nice! When EI add a touch of Irish to the flights it always makes me smile. This a route map from a few months ago in the back of Cara.
28 BrianDromey : If your final destination is the US, then you wont have to oay for checked baggage for your LHR-ORD sector. Its only the european routes which have t
29 Toulouse : Don't worry Shamrock350, I'm already checking as I pass TLS Blagnac airport nearly every day. As soon as I see one of the new green 330's, I'll snap
30 Shamrock350 : Thanks for that Brian. That's even better I thought I would have to pay fot the LHR-DUB sector! I would love to fly this route, I might look at how mu
31 EISHN : Boy do I have something that will really turn up the heat. I just heard from a fairly reliable source, that EI have secured landing rights to the new
32 Post contains images BrianDromey : In a way its refreshing to get out of teh country for a bit! The governments' latest plan is to charge even more VRT and tax on those cars which are
33 EI321 : AREA 14 Dont have time to post a photo now, but just a few points on area 14. - Capacity of 4m passengers per year - The large discs on the ceiling ca
34 Post contains images EI321 : The flying discs could be an architecrural metaphor for 'area' 52. Nah! Although some of those 787 UFOs could be for EI. Ok Ill stop now
35 Kaitak : Great news; let's just hope Subharnabhumi hasn't sunk into a swamp by then! I do wish they could fly nonstop, though I guess it's no harm to start sm
36 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Sounds interesting, maybe when Subharnabhumi opens again an announcement will be made! I also thought that any new routes East would be if OS failed b
37 OA260 : Ok EISHN you bring the red bull and I will bring the vodka. TLS can bring some Champagne as Im sure he has a ''cave'' being in France!!! Lets all mee
38 Shamrock350 : I can see it now, the airport is quiet all the passengers are on their way, suddenly Dermot and the gang appear out nowhere and start dancing even MO
39 Eirjet : Thats all the Irish Govt need - 'The Bertie Bus'
40 Post contains links OA260 : EI should get some inspiration from SQ. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1169905/M/
41 Shamrock350 : Every long-haul airline in the world should get inspiration from SQ, they are without a doubt the best airline in the sky. I can't see EI going this
42 OA260 : Ok so some brief news in this months Irish Travel Magazine:: Aer Arann introduces online check in from 72 hours prior to departure only on the DUB-ORK
43 Post contains images Shamrock330 : LMAO! Disco Inferno! EI vs FR. When I first saw the new check in area it reminded me of a certain nightclub in Dublin city centre. It looks quite sma
44 EI321 : Its finished, so a few weeks at most. defiitly before summer. They should have put in sloped escalators that can accomodate trolleys rather than step
45 Rineanna : I'm supried that they haven't added MUC-DUB flight to their FRA one. It was reported, in quite an extensive article, in the Indo towards the end of l
46 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...=14037498&p=y4x37544&n=14037586&x= A sentence in an advert has been taken out of proportion and made to look li
47 Post contains images Eirbus06 : Hi guy's, Do any of you (knowligable) guy's know what equipment flyglobespan are using on the Knock-Boston and Knock-New York route.Btw: I think this
48 OA260 : Well i dont really have that strong views but EI should really look at the implications before submitting adverts as should all airlines. They are an
49 Rineanna : As before, it's the 738s initially with it changing to 757s as soon as they get them, AFAIK.
50 Provance :
51 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Maybe EI will be a bit more careful with what they say in future adverts and emails. Good to hear cant wait to see EI operating down there in the "ni
52 Post contains images EISHN : Aer Lingus have removed the red dot from their downloadable images in the media section ,and replaced with the new one, which fits in much better than
53 Shamrock350 : Looks even better in white! The new routes have been added to the US route map. Looks like a real long-haul airline now!
54 Toulouse : I won't even give my opinon... but this sort of rubbish just makes my blood boil. Having lived in Spain for 10 years (and I hate bull-fighting) but I
55 OA260 : I just think EI didnt think which is nothing un usual. Im do kind of lean to the abolishion of bull fighting as it is cruel. Spain are part of the EU
56 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I cant wait to see more routes being added! MIA and PHL anybody want to take a few more guesses? Also 82% of Aer Lingus flights were ontime and 97% w
57 Toulouse : Oh don't get me wrong OA260, I also think it's utterly barbaric, it's just some of these "animal protection associations" are just as dangerous if no
58 ZRH : There must be a problem. This was my post and not the one of Kaitak. What happened????? And furthermore it is the wron thread????!!!!! I posted it in
59 Shamrock350 : Airliners.net is messing up again! Has been for the past hour.
60 OA260 : Cool your sooo lucky !!!! I havnt even seen 1 in real life yet!!!!
61 Post contains links and images EISHN : They're also hiring more catering staff, so I guess they won't be subsidising that area. Shamrock350, do you think you could do another picture for u
62 Post contains links Bx737 : Don't worry ZRH I could not get into the forums earlier on today. It said there was a problem with the forums. Just to let you know I saw it in the ti
63 Shamrock350 : Of course I will, I will put them on photobucket when I'm done and post them!
64 Kaitak : Gosh, sorry about that ZRH, there seems to be gremlins in the machine today; when I tried to post my message (which follows), there was a message sayi
65 Shamrock350 : Especially when Aer Lingus has started getting 80% load factor on DXB routes since the change to the times allowing EK connections! Are they just goi
66 ThrottleHold : ...and more importantly, a similar load factor for Premier.
67 Post contains links Shamrock350 : All links, I didn't want to clog up the thread with all the pictures. So far I have done four hope they are ok for you EISHN! http://i104.photobucket.
68 Thediplomat : Yes Via Pier A Its been finished for about two months, awaiting a certain blue low cost airline to use the facility...
69 EISHN : Thanks Shamrock350!! Its a really great improvement on the red dot! I wish i had that programme for my computer. Thanks again for going through the ha
70 Shamrock350 : Your welcome and it was no hassle at all! I might try an A330 later, I hope they dont put it on the A330s but just in case they do I would like to se
71 EISHN : Does anyone have any information regarding post 19?
72 Post contains links and images Toulouse : I know they're only more photos, but better than nothing. To be honest it's been overflying my house all afternoon, and was really getting on my nerv
73 Shamrock350 : I dont know about the saints maybe some of the old names from the 737s will return! I heard about an A330 on order before 9/11 but wasn't sure it was
74 BrianDromey : Clearly EI is trying to use the fleet more effeciently. DXB is unfortunate, being the only other eastbound LH route. Thsi makes it difficult to integ
75 Post contains links Kaitak : Shannon Airport employees have overwhelmingly accepted the proposed plan to cut airport costs and reduce the workforce. Great news for SNN, which will
76 OA260 : Shame on you LOL....fed up of an A380 !!! Tell them they can fly over my house anytime LOL.... Nice improvements , looks alot better than present. Ho
77 COEI2007 : Perhaps the DXB timings are shifted back to the old unhelpful times, just for this winter? I figure a flight to Asia is on the cards, and with anothe
78 BrianDromey : Did you get in at EI? If so congrats! Maybe you will join the ranks of ORK based crew! All of the ORK based crew I've come accross seem like they wou
79 OA260 : EI and EK have special fares to Australia and alot of people go that route. I wouldnt go back to DXB in summer either , I was there on year in June a
80 Shamrock350 : I went to Dubai in April and it was quite hot, I was sick for half the holiday and I thought it was the heat but I picked up a cold that got worse due
81 Penpusher : Hi Lads Kaitak Check out the timetable in aerlingus.com . Its not as bad as you may think. Looks like only 30 minute change to the timings!. From Dub
82 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Hi PenPusher! Thanks for the timetable info, I couldnt be bothered to go on aerlingus.com no matter how nice it looks now How have you been? Now Aer L
83 OA260 : Where did you get that timetable from ??? Aer Lingus.com has it wrong in their website. The Friday flight is missing. Also they are changing them in J
84 EI321 : DFW Directly?
85 BrianDromey : Cheers OA, I was thinking that OLCI would not be available to us, the KLM.ie site dose not offer it either. The thing is we dont seem to have an EI b
86 Airlittoralguy : Currently in Dublin, I am seeking for a job placement in the air transport industry for this summer. I have given cv at the airport. I have also been
87 Toulouse : Bienvenue à Dublin et très bon courage pour ton stage Airlottoralguy! Unfortunately I don't have any good contacts that might be able to help you.
88 Thediplomat : Pier A security queues will be rebuilt to accomodate people from downstairs, alongside the current users... You come from Area 14 via lifts, stairs o
89 OA260 : I actually checked and when you book a flight DUB-AMS-SFO and its all booked on KLM flight numbers you dont get a EI ref. So you may not be able to u
90 Aerarann : Thediplomat, Its no longer being used by FR, its now exclusively EI Haha
91 Al2637 : Yup, this box was originally to serve as a Metro station I believe, great foresight by the designers of the current terminal. But now the station is
92 OA260 : Apparantly Area 14 might only be for EI TransAtlantic passengers and half of the fast pass machines may be moved down stairs also. It seems weird that
93 Pe@rson : A terminal is a terminal. So long as it can fit the required number of customers and can process them quickly and cheaply, I don't give a damn whether
94 OA260 : The terminal is more than that mate !!! People want facilities and services. As a recent survery suggests:: Skytrax does not measure elements like on
95 Pe@rson : What a load of nonsense. A terminal is all about processing customers from entering the building, to checking-in, to security, to leaving it. Everyth
96 Post contains images Toulouse : No wonder you're such an FR fan! Are you sure you're not MOL in disguise? Just to let all those who may be interested know, I was dropping somebody o
97 Pe@rson : And have over 500m EUR? Wouldn't that be nice?
98 Post contains images Toulouse : On your comments regarding airports, I would have to support AO260. In essence of course you are right, a terminal is there to process it's clients.
99 Shamrock350 : Lets hope that tail you saw was Aer Lingus Toulouse! I can't think of many green Airbus operators. I think both the Irish and British travelling publi
100 Post contains images OA260 : Yeah FR clients dont care if they fly into an army base!!!! I prefer Business class/Lounges/Shops/Bars/Restaurants aswell as short ques for security
101 Post contains links and images EISHN : Great picture here of EI at JFK recently. From the homepage of www.planepictures.net
102 Post contains links Rineanna : Ha, just came across a CityJet Safety-card for sale on ebay, only .99c if you want it! http://cgi.ebay.ie/CITYJET-BAE-146-S...sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm
103 OA260 : Maybe the guy who sits in the seat after the guy that took it might need it lol
104 EISHN : When EUjet went bust, my dad went over to their HQ and in SNN and took a whole bunch of stuff. You see EUjet were leasing their a/c from AerCap. So m
105 AC747 : With EI securing landing rights at Bangkok and speculation about whether this flight (if it happens) routing nonstop or via Dubai.......I have a quest
106 OA260 : Thats actually a real possibility. It makes sense even though some would prefer an non stop DUB-BKK. I think it would make sense to EI . I presume it
107 BrianDromey : We're going ORK-AMS. Normally, I would'nt be too bothered, but now that exit rows are available prior to check-in the chances of them being available
108 EI321 : Just in case anybodys wondering what the hell this big room thats known as Area 14 was doing there in the first place, it was originally built below t
109 COEI2007 : Yes, I did my interview on Tuesday, and they offered me a job on Wednesday! I think I start training on May 21st, for 4 weeks of something!!!! Cant w
110 EISHN : Yes they were still Debis at that stage. And yes i do have lots of aviation memorabilia laying around the house. Mostly Aer Lingus stuff from Airbus
111 Post contains links and images Rineanna : Ok, so about an hour ago, what I think was a Volar Airlines A320 flew over my house on descent into SNN from Feurteventura. Normally, it's only outbou
112 Post contains links Shamrock350 : It would be perfect if that KLM 777 was an EI A330 too but it's a great picture as it is! For those of you interested in Cork and the lonely air brid
113 Post contains links and images Toulouse : So my eyes didn't fail me this morning and yes it is one of EI's new 330's hered at Toulouse. I ended up driving around quite a bit, on this lovely s
114 Aerarann : Once Cabin Crew are made permanent, by getting a permanent contract, you will be trained on the a330
115 OA260 : Agents booking through GDS can only assign seats on EI long haul routes and not short haul routes. Also they cannont assign Exit rows . The only way
116 Shamrock350 : Well done COEI2007 enjoy your training! Thanks for that Toulouse. So it looks like we will see the A330-300 first and then the -200 unless it's around
117 EISHN : Excellent work Toulouse! Its great to see that Shamrock sitting there in TLS. Its also great to see that the shamrock hasn't been changed in any way.
118 EI321 : Looks like the 1996 livery will remain unchanged.
119 Post contains images BrianDromey : Its always good to see more EI aircraft at TLS. I think its the 333 that you spotted, as the wider door 3 is fitted. Personally I cant wait for the A
120 Toulouse : Congratulations to you COEI2007 and all my best wishes for a very successful career with EI!!!!!!!!!!!!
121 AerArann : Heres a selection of airline load factors, i calculated from the CAA airport statistics, for the month of February: ROUTE: ABERDEEN------------------D
122 Rineanna : Ar these worth sustaining? Jet2 must be happy, is this at two or three frequencies/week? Would have thought they would have been a bit better. Looks
123 AerArann : As there timetable is no longer available, i couldnt be 100% sure, but im almost certain it was twice weekly in february, its now at 5 times weeky. M
124 COEI2007 : Thats gonna take awhile to get used to, and besides I'm still working for CO till the end of the month! I've been with CO for a year, so that probabl
125 MAH4546 : Miami serves a totally different market. Orlando is pure leisure and mostly European-originating traffic. Miami is a mix of buisness/leisure and has
126 COEI2007 : I'm not comparing both of them, i'm saying they'll wait and see if they make money on MCO. If they dont, they can send the a/c to MIA! If EI doesnt s
127 MAH4546 : Miami-Ireland is too low yielding for AA's business model. They won't start it. It will fit Aer Lingus' business model, especially with a hub on the
128 Post contains links OA260 : Are you on res by any chance???? Just seen a cool video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9SGXIKNeUc
129 COEI2007 : No, res is TPA based. I'm DUB based!
130 AC747 : What does anyone think of the Futura Gael 'livery' (if you can call it that). I was hoping for something a bit more........well, just a bit MORE to be
131 AerArann : Im not sure if this was mentioned before, but: EI are discontinuing : DUB - BRS , DUB - FUE , DUB - SZG and ORK - TFS
132 AC747 : Pity to see FUE get dropped. Will FR pick up the slack on that route, I wonder ? Or maybe JKK could go sched on it (that'd be nice).
133 Rineanna : I suppose there wasn't room for both RYR and EI on the route. RYR's 738 was practically 100% full when I travelled this route, I guess RYR had the ad
134 Shamrock350 : Shame to see ORK loose a route after such a big expansion there, DUB-BRS has never been great for EI, it's been on and off for years.
135 COEI2007 : I think the DUB-TFS was mostly being filled my Slattery's, whom may have opted to use charters instead. All the same, its sad to see a route axed from
136 Aerarann : Maybe this is the beginning of FR crushing EI on Shorthaul. Three EI routes gone that FR competed directly on ... BRS, FUE & SZG
137 Shamrock350 : Possibly but Aer Lingus have the advantage on longer flights. I think Aer Lingus will benefit more by dropping these routes and starting longer ones,
138 Humberside : As a comparison, FR dropped HUY which was running at about 50% load factor last summer. If these routes stay like this in summer then I guess they co
139 Rineanna : Which longer routes do they have the advantage on? Any move by EI on North Africa (presumably Morocco) will result in an equal or larger response by
140 Pilot21 : The only EI order that was ever cancelled around that time was for 2 A320-200's. Both of these were in final assembly and had been given the reg's EI
141 EISHN : Thanks for clearing that up, but it was on here and it was an Irish member that said something in an older thread ( non Irish aviation thread) which
142 Shamrock350 : Dermot Mannion or Enda Corneille (Commercial Director) said that he believed Aer Lingus had the advantage over Ryanair on long routes because they of
143 Pe@rson : Hmm. Those points could be argued. However, both AirAsia and Tiger Airways, both quite like Ryanair, operate several 3.5-4+ hour flights. Most of the
144 OA260 : Turkey would be a mistake for EI. The charter flights have them covered and TK has IST covered. EI need to look at flights that no one else does. ATH
145 Pe@rson : They had to stop other flights to Morocco (e.g. from MRS) because of some beaucratic reason. No doubt that when that's all complete they'll be launch
146 Ei2ksea : Similarly Ryanair only started serving EDI after 'Go' launched EDI-DUB. I really wonder about the market for flights to Morocco. It does not have the
147 Shamrock350 : I think they can as well but the CEO isn't going to say "we have high fares but who cares and our seats are about the same as Ryanair we just charge
148 Pe@rson : FR won't, at least in theory, serve ATH: it has one of the highest airport fees in Europe. Of course, FR is famous for its ability to negociate, so w
149 COEI2007 : Well, FUE and SZG arent a huge loss. FUE hasnt got huge pax numbers to begin with. FR will benefit with more bums on seats now with EI gone, but stil
150 Pe@rson : It'd be interesting to know how many people using DUB-IST connect onwards.
151 OA260 : Thank god for that , I hope my compatriots keep fees high to keep FR out . I dont think they will try Greece as its not that profitable for lots of l
152 Post contains images Pe@rson : Rather like the mayor of Berlin, or someone similar, saying that Berlin would not work for discount airlines.   Subject to effective negociation, Gr
153 Mccormk : Is there any reason why EI can't do Izmir. As I know there is a large amout of people after having baught property in the locality of bodrum. Kusidaci
154 OA260 : SKG is already served enough and growth is not that big in SKG. Greece has always been very different than the rest of Europe. Most Greeks want to fl
155 Mccormk : Honestly if u had a choice between Omni or EI .. which would u pick...
156 OA260 : To be honest people going to Turkey are looking for cheap and cheerful !!! They dont care who is the airline it is price driven. Kusasadi 2-3* for fl
157 Pe@rson : Nice summation. Good to have someone with more-than-general insight into the workings of Greece.
158 Planemanofnz : Short Haul : Cairo Tel Aviv Tunis Casablanca Moscow Rekyavik or Keflavik These all seem like markets untapped by other carriers from Ireland. EI shoul
159 OA260 : Thanks Pe@rson but I guess I have the advantage of being half Greek!!! What ever anyone says MOL is a good business man and for that reason I think h
160 Post contains images BrianDromey : Well it is only once weekly, and there are other options to get to TFS. Plus its such a long sector that the aircraft could do a hop to the MAN/BHX a
161 OA260 : Other than EI I would like to see the following new airlines and routes ::: SU DUB-SVO A320 EK DUB-DXB A330 SQ DUB-SIN ???? NW DUB-DTW A330 UA DUB-IAD
162 OA260 : Missed your post last night so I will answer it now. TK has alot of through traffic from DUB to IST and onwards to HKG, BKK,SIN. Their fares are un b
163 Post contains images Rineanna : Heaven! I don't think there's a market for both EI and EK, but a little competition would force EI to improve timings and service. It would be nice t
164 OA260 : Yeah they carry a huge amount of trasit traffic on the UK - USA routes considering their size. No I totally agree its the best DUB-WAW . I have flown
165 Aerarann : The advantage RE have is they can utilise their fleet by swapping the fleet throughout the day on various routes depending on demand. This wont be ab
166 EI321 : A good list. And I think all are realistic possibilities at the moment except perhaps SQ.
167 Rineanna : Oh they're phasing out the '42s alltogether, are they? So the DUB-CFN will be operated by a '72, or was it always this way?
168 EI321 : Also Northwest Dublin - Cincinnatti ElAl Dublin - Telaviv
169 OA260 : Arkia (IZ) are doing DUB-TLV and the loads at the moment are extremely poor. Every single class for all dates still at the cheapest fares and thats a
170 Post contains links EISHN : I have a problem on my habds. I submitted two scanned picture last week to a.net, but they were rejected because they were too dark. But the real phot
171 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Does anyone know if new A32X aircraft are now being fitted with the newer styled cabin, such as the 4 Aer Lingus are due to get this year? Nikki was t
172 OA260 : Yeah Swiss have someting similar, ( well at least the seats) and they are nice, also Clickair have them. Can you not re size them into Jpeg format???
173 BrianDromey : I dont think that EI will take aircraft with the new cabins. EI seem to value cabin comonality in the fleet very highly. Notice that all of the 320s
174 EISHN : How would I go about doing either of these?
175 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : That's a shame! I notice they have more modern overhead bins than other A320-214s. I remember being on an Easyjet A319 and seeing a TV screen at the
176 Rineanna : OA260, There's a nice article on the Azores in the 'Weekend' section of the Indo today to coincide with the Slattery's direct charter flight. It's tip
177 Aerarann : Its usually a 42' unless in extreme circumstances, like a Tech problem or demand. Im not sure if all the regional airports can handle a full 72' , bu
178 OA260 : Well the way is to go to your outlook express and basically email the photo to yourself and normally it gives you an option to make pictures smaller
179 EISHN : LOL Thanks for that! I'll give it a go now.
180 AerArann : Would all you mind explaining what your Usernames and Slogans mean, im really intrigued to know what some mean. Also, EISHN, could you explain to me t
181 OA260 : Mine is OA260 Its the flight number of the LHR-ATH flight with Olympic Airways(Airlines) Heathrow 1220 (was 1230 years ago) Athens 1755 !! Its the fli
182 Rineanna : Rineanna is the name of the townland where shannon airport is located, and it was the actual name for the airport for a period, AFAIK. My grandad used
183 EISHN : EI-SHN. The first A330 delivered to Aer Lingus on May 2nd 1994. It was a milestone in Aer Lingus history, and helped to save the company, more than on
184 BrianDromey : This is true. I wonder if there is much of a cost difference between operating a -72 at a 65% load or a full -42? If there is, it must outweigh the o
185 Shamrock350 : Shamrock350 - I was always an Aer Lingus fan, since I was small I've always been flying them and I love their Callsign "Shamrock" so I knew that I had
186 AerArann : From what i heard, it will be the new ATR elegance cabin, with 72 navy leather seats. The only extra cost is 1 extra cabin crew member and a small ex
187 OA260 : LOL thanks I actually wondered what Rineanna was , now I know.
188 EISHN : Isn't that the name of the old Aer Lingus Gold Circle lounge at Shannon, now used by everybody else? Good idea about the question AerArann of finding
189 Post contains links Rineanna : Sure is! http://www.shannonairport.com/facilities/executivelounges.html
190 COEI2007 : I know the TK re[ in DUB airport, and they get a lot of pax to BKK and the far east. Also, a fair few Irish connecting to other parts of Turkey. The
191 Post contains links and images EISHN : After Aer Lingus received their new batch of A320s in 2004/2005/2006 what did they do with the cockpits on the older A320/1s? They would have had the
192 Kaitak : I'm not quite sure what the difference is; I believe the newer ones have flat screens, but I don't think this makes any difference to the crews in ter
193 OA260 : It still wouldnt warrant a flight . Theres not that ,many Irish buying on mass in Cyprus. The Irish seem to be buying in Turkey,Cape Verde and Bulgar
194 Post contains images EISHN : Found this on wikipedia: Airbus recently has started installing LCD (liquid crystal) display units in the flight deck of its new A318, A319, A320, an
195 COEI2007 : There must be. Apparently, the only operator who's performing well ex DUB to Bulgaria is Falcon.
196 Toulouse : Nothing original about mine! My username is the city I've adopted to live in... Toulouse... and what a great place it is! On top of that, I'm just 7
197 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I was just watching "How do you solve a problem like Joseph" a show on BBC1 with Andrew Lyod Webber searching for a west end star. They flew into Cork
198 Kaitak : I missed that; I enjoyed the "How do you solve a problem like Maria" ... up to the point where Aoife (the Irish girl) got knocked; ironically, she's n
199 OA260 : Well if Bulgaria is working for them its one of the only routes that is . Falcon have lost alot of money as their Travel shops are not doing as well
200 Post contains links and images EISHN : I've never noticed before, that EI and United have the same seats in economy. View Large View MediumPhoto © Sam Chui
201 OA260 : That must have been a one off EISHN, mind you that photo was from 2003. I have been on UA's A320's last year and they had the standard stripe patern
202 EISHN : They're not all that soft, and aren't very comfortable in the upright position. I've heard people mention that EI-DAA had leg rests, however LAX does
203 EI2KSEA : Thats a great story EISHN. I have felt the same interest with the former EIBXB, an EI B734 that was the first aircraft I flew on back in June 1992. It
204 Kaitak : Funnily enough, EI-BXB was the only 734 I never got to fly on! I used to fly EI between DUB and LHR quite regularly until about 2000, when BA pulled t
205 Post contains links Kaitak : Here's the link to the new one! Families with young children and people with mobility issues first - SIT DOWN SIR! The thread won't leave without you!
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