Cloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1008 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
China has made it clear that it is interested in producing commercial jet aircraft. And with the troubles Airbus is facing, it seems that there is room for another player in the airframe industry. We sometimes hear about the commuter jet companies building larger aircraft, but what about the ex-Soviet Union companies?
From what I have been able to dig up on them most have designs but are unable to actively fund them enough to bring them into production. What is the potential, and likelihood, of perhaps an outside company, say American or European, coming in and either partnering or buying out one of those companies? Would they have enough of a head start on design and production to come up with viable aircraft in a quick enough time to compete?
"Six becoming three doesn't create more Americans that want to fly." -Adam Pilarski
FYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
Quoting Cloudboy (Thread starter): We sometimes hear about the commuter jet companies building larger aircraft, but what about the ex-Soviet Union companies?
http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/projects/rrj/ - the most perspective. Up to 50 confirmed orders. A lot of potental interest. Transaero just declared its ready to order some. SSJ seems to be the most realistic Russian project. First flight is in plans for October 2007.
Thats more the question of demand. Il-96 and Tu-204 - first are not modern enough, second are not the best planes at the market. They try to bring them in order but I not sure they will be able to do it. Good example - after Vladivostok Avia got Tu-204-300 they found its payload on 14 tonns less it was declared
Quoting Cloudboy (Thread starter): say American or European, coming in and either partnering or buying out one of those companies?
Would American governemnt be happy if say Roman Abramovich will want to buy Boeing? I not sure. Same with Russian authorities. By the legislation the maximum share of foreigners at aviation producing company is 25%-1.
Quoting Cloudboy (Thread starter): Would they have enough of a head start on design and production to come up with viable aircraft in a quick enough time to compete?
If SSJ will work it will mean - we can. Not very quikly indeed. But it is a real problem as far as during the last 15 years aviation industry retarded dramatically and there are not a lot of relevant specialists to create the new planes. Would be great to have at least one succesful project as starting point for return to the market.
Concentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1761 times:
Quoting FYODOR (Reply 1): If SSJ will work it will mean - we can.
Fingers crossed for SSJ. As I mentioned few times before this could be RU's last chance to get back into world market with their CIVIL airliners.
If only the oil money could be invested into recovery of industry in RU (not just aviation, but electronics, automobile, tourism, etc...), the country could in 10-15 yrs make a total turnaround. But greed and shortsightedness of political elite makes me think it wont happen. SSJ will make excellent choice for replacement for NW DC-9's
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
The SSJ 100 needs one major western airline ordering it to lift off..
There are conflicting reports about the weight of the SSJ 100 being too high for a regional airliner-and the price level is supposed to go up to 29M $,which comes close to heavily discounted A319's for Easyjet.
But I agree the SSJ 100 has the best chances to make it to the mainstream airlines.Should Aeroflot team up with Air France to get hold of AZ,you definitely will see the jet in AZ colours ! Which might be the best sales-argument for the aircraft.Alenia's involvement and support for the jet gives a lot of credibility.I is said that some French regional airlines (Britair and Regional ) have an eye on it as does SAS.