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Delta JFK Securty Breech  
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Today in JFK Terminal 3 there was a security breech. No real details were given but the flights were delayed by approx. 1 hr and a few flights were cancelled.


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User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Thread starter):
No real details were given but the flights were delayed by approx. 1 hr and a few flights were cancelled.

According to Delta here in CMH, they are still investigating and the terminal is still evacuated


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/04/major_security_.html

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2359 times:

I was there tonight, sending a friend off to LA... God that place was a nightmare! My friend has only flown twice before (LAX-PHX-BDL last week were her first 2) and she has to encounter something like this so early in her flying experience?

Things like this turn people off to flying, and honestly, after 2 hours in a non-moving line, it was even beginning to test a die-hard like me... I was pissed as hell because I was borrowing a REALLY nice camera but couldn't even use it because I was in line with my friend making sure she got through security OK...



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21129 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2288 times:

The DL complex at JFK is awful. I waited in a security line that had one (1) metal detector for half the terminal. I can't imagine how bad it would be if the whole terminal had to get evacuated and everybody rescreened. And after you get airside, it's not really any better. About the only thing going for it is the historical aspect, evidenced by the maps on the walls that give the location of the VS Clubhouse in T2, and depect the IAB in its old configuration.

It's a shame, because DL has a decent product, but I'd be hard pressed to fly them out of JFK again.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
waited in a security line that had one (1) metal detector for half the terminal

I totally agree with you here. Just got back from flying JFK - SEA - JFK and the product in the air was fine, but the whole ground experience should be banned from society. The security checkpoints are understaffed causing a zoo effect right as you walk in. The Delta ground staff in both destinations left a lot to be desired though.


User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

I was on Delta 193 JFK to Atlanta last night. We boarded and were ready to go at 4:45 when the pilots came on and said that we had to hold at the gate due to a security problem. We sat there until 6:30, when security officers came on the plane and did a search. We then continued to sit there until 7:00, when we pushed back in time to wait in line with all of the international traffic. We ended up taking off around 7:45, a little over three hours late.

I missed my connection to DAB and spent the night in a hotel.

It was an interesting experience, and the pilots and flight attendants kept us informed. Thankfully we didn't have to deplane, and thankfully I was in an exit row with lots of room to stretch out.


One suggestion to Delta though, don't keep the moving map turned on while we are sitting on the ground. For two hours it said:

Groundspeed: 0
Altitude: 27
Distance Traveled: 0

Like adding salt to the wounds.  Smile


User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 5):
The security checkpoints are understaffed

Keep in mind that DL has absolutely nothing to do with staffing the security checkpoints or the amount of metal detectors at a specific checpoint. That falls entirely on the TSA.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting CVG777 (Reply 6):
. We sat there until 6:30, when security officers came on the plane and did a search.

What kind of security officers?


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 7):
Keep in mind that DL has absolutely nothing to do with staffing the security checkpoints or the amount of metal detectors at a specific checpoint. That falls entirely on the TSA.

I agree, but DL should be working with the TSA to develop more space for them to operate. Clearly having only one working detector is not enough for a terminal as busy as that one is.
Let's hope it improves.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting CVG777 (Reply 6):
One suggestion to Delta though, don't keep the moving map turned on while we are sitting on the ground. For two hours it said:

Groundspeed: 0
Altitude: 27
Distance Traveled: 0

Like adding salt to the wounds.

LOL!!!!!  rotfl 



A330 man.
User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
What kind of security officers?

Port Authority Police and TSA. They looked in the closets and the bathrooms mostly, from what I saw.

Off topic, but I forgot to mention that the 767 I was on was the Habitat for Humanity plane. The interior was fresh and bright. Overall a great experience...especially in an exit seat.  Wink

Mike


User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 9):
I agree, but DL should be working with the TSA to develop more space for them to operate

It all depends on who owns the space in the DL terminal that the TSA operates in. If it is owned by DL, then yes, they should work with the TSA. If it is owned by the Port Authority (which I expect is the case and DL just leases the space), then there is nothing DL can do about the space the TSA operates in. It is actually up to the airport in that instance to work with TSA.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 12):
It all depends on who owns the space in the DL terminal that the TSA operates in. If it is owned by DL, then yes, they should work with the TSA. If it is owned by the Port Authority (which I expect is the case and DL just leases the space), then there is nothing DL can do about the space the TSA operates in. It is actually up to the airport in that instance to work with TSA.

I admit that I don't know who owns the TSA space at T3. I can only tell you that JetBlue has an expanded security area at T6 - granted, it looks kind of ad-hoc - but it works. Much like DL, JetBlue is operating from a terminal that was not designed to handle modern levels of security or the amount of passengers that are currently flowing through the metal detectors.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Feds detain passengers on Delta flight in Florida

Yesterday's 1221, an M88 JFK-MCO. Anyone know anything further? Is it related to the JFK security problem?



F L Y D E L T A J E T S
User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

This whole thing is such a joke. Why would they take almost 2 hours to decide to do a dump??? (into 30 degree weather, no less!!!)


We Love To Fly And It Shows.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21129 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
I admit that I don't know who owns the TSA space at T3. I can only tell you that JetBlue has an expanded security area at T6 - granted, it looks kind of ad-hoc - but it works. Much like DL, JetBlue is operating from a terminal that was not designed to handle modern levels of security or the amount of passengers that are currently flowing through the metal detectors.

The difference is that in the JetBlue terminal, at least you have separation of check-in and gate areas. That way, even if you have to put in a makeshift security checkpoint, there is a logical place for it to be. At Terminal 3, the check-in area is also the gate area. It used to be that you'd be screened coming into the terminal, but that wouldn't work with post-9/11 security requirements. So they had to close off certain areas in order to put in a security checkpoint, which had two x-ray machines and one metal detector (all they had room for). In defense of the TSA, they did a damn good job getting people through as quickly as possible, but you can only do so much with so little equipment, and the line was massive.

This is why the terminal needs to be replaced. It can't handle the requirements of today.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
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