LHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10074 times:
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 1): It's their main hub so most of the fleet is there and they have lots of 747s and 777s. In fact, LHR is dominated by BA aircraft and in one year they will all be pushed to the west at T5!
I know that , FRA is also the main Hub of LH and all 747s / 340s / 330s are flying .
Having tons of 747s and 777s at LHR is dead capital .
Theginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9930 times:
Some of those 747-400's seen will be in for overnight maintenance, others will have arrived in the evening and will be the first departures out the next moring. There is no mismanagement, BA 747's don't just sit on the ground doing nothing all the time. As BA have 57 there is always going to be a small percentage on maintenance. Also for example some on some days there are more BA 747-400 flights than others as well.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9410 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9843 times:
Correct, it has nothing to do with mismanagement at all. BA also has a bigger 747 fleet compared to LH as far as I know which might explain you will see more 747s parked at LHR compared to FRA. KL also has quite a few 747s parked at AMS overnight. As Theginge pointed out, the 747s you saw are the first ones to depart LHR between 05:00 and 07:00. What you saw is just fleet management, combined with local regulations (environment) and maintenance, nothing more and nothing less.
Cobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9425 times:
I think that KLM has the most usage of 747's around 18 hours a day, but I am not sure.
But at other ports there are also lot of BA 747 and JAL 747.
BA has also more than 40 777's. One of the greatest widebody fleet in the world. Am almost sure they will expand it with 748 or A380 and A350/787
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7835 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9276 times:
Given BA's nature to serve many intercontinental destination double and tripple times daily, its no surprise they fly so many 777 and 744's. Most cities in North America & Asia served by BA from LHR are flown to 14 or more times weekly. Many BA 777 and 744 are at LHR in the middle of the day since most flights from Asia and America arrive in the morning and depart in the afternoon.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2985 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
British Airways is one of the largest operators of 747's in the world. LHR is their main British hub. Virtually every 747 they operate passes through LHR.
LHR is also the main international airport in the UK. Airlines from all over the world fly their flagship aircraft, which in many cases are the 747 aircraft, to London. It "shows them off" by presenting new, modern aircraft in one of the premier cities of the world.
Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
Experimental From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5892 times:
When I left LHR last Thursday morning on BA from T4 we turned away from the terminal behind 3 747-400. later on it became apparent there were a further two behind us. 6 BA 747-400 must have looked fantastic to the aircraft holding on the other side of the runway.
I was at a loss however at deciding where they were all going at about 11:15. We were going to BAH (slightly delayed), I know there were JFK, DEL and IAD flights leaving. Any Ideas?
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1405 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5863 times:
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 18): Wow, its shocking to hear that LHR has a curfew. Its hard to believe one of the major transportation hubs in the world has a curfew.
You can Thank the godamn people who complain about the noise. Nothing is worse than landing at LHR at 6am then wait forever for the tug to get there so that you can be towed to your gate. My issue has always been, you can't tell me a plane taxiing will make more noise than a plane that has just landed and deployed reverse thrusters.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4924 times:
Quoting Experimental (Reply 19): I was at a loss however at deciding where they were all going at about 11:15. We were going to BAH (slightly delayed), I know there were JFK, DEL and IAD flights leaving. Any Ideas?
Lets see - around that time, you could have a couple of JFK, a LAX, MIA, BOM, ORD, YYZ.....
I seriously doubt we had 20+ 747-400's sitting around on the ramp after 9pm. Overnight aircraft consists of maybe 4-5 max, out of a fleet of 57 747's. We do have a lot of 747 departures between 9pm and 10.30pm. Also, depending on the day, there may have been issues with loading, re-fuelling, crew transport, cargo delays or any number of other factors that delayed a bank of departures.
Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 20): Nothing is worse than landing at LHR at 6am then wait forever for the tug to get there so that you can be towed to your gate. My issue has always been, you can't tell me a plane taxiing will make more noise than a plane that has just landed and deployed reverse thrusters.
Use of reverse thrust is banned before 7am. Aircraft now self-taxi on to the victor pier at Terminal 4 between 6am and 7am. T4 gates 2 and 3 still require tugs, due to the proximity of local housing to these gates. Aircraft also self-taxi onto Terminal 1 gates in the morning.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1405 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 21): Use of reverse thrust is banned before 7am. Aircraft now self-taxi on to the victor pier at Terminal 4 between 6am and 7am. T4 gates 2 and 3 still require tugs, due to the proximity of local housing to these gates. Aircraft also self-taxi onto Terminal 1 gates in the morning.
Thanx for the info. Didn't know reverse thrust is banned in the mornings. Out of curiosity, what happens if runway is wet and an aircraft comes in heavy absolutely needing to use reverse thrust?
LHRman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 398 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
Its not banned.. thats a bit of extremity. The actual statement on the charts is..
Avoid use of reverse thrust between 2330-0600LT except for safety reasons.
Therefore, more often than not the early morning arrivals will not need it because they don't have to get off the runway so quick therefore they can rollout for longer (if landing the 9's BA aircraft won't wanna get off til either S3/4 if landing on 09R or A5/4 if landing on the L).
A big note is that "except for safety reasons" eg: Weather conditions mean that the use of reverse thrust is advisable (precipitation/low vis), or something on the aircraft maybe u/s.
The stands that require a tug out/in at this moment is the Maintainence area, Stands 401/402/403/463/461 & the V Apron. Which for those not all that familiar are the stands at the back left of T4. This is once again between the hours of 2330 -0630LT.
Hope this clears up the matter..
P.s I am currently looking into all 74 & 72 departures after 2030 and will try and find out how many at any one time will have been on the ground.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 22): Out of curiosity, what happens if runway is wet and an aircraft comes in heavy absolutely needing to use reverse thrust?
I've often wandered about this! I'd imagine idle reverse, max braking, then reverse thrust if deemed absolutely necessary.
I think it's something like this - Commanders of aircraft are requested to avoid the use of reverse thrust after landing,
consistent with the safe operation of the aircraft, between 2330 and 0600 hours
Meaning, IMHO, if the safety of the landing is in question, then reverse thrust can be used.
25 Planesarecool: Then it'll use reverse thrust. A noise curfew cannot come in the way of safety, and if it's absolutely necessary then it will be used. Although there
26 BCALBOY: I think it does ! Very few operations can be planned to op in the 'Night Jet ' period. Some carriers have historic rights particularly for early morn
27 Planesarecool: What i was trying to say is that although there is a night curfew limiting departures between 23:29-06:00, it doesn't mean that absolutely no flights
28 BCALBOY: Yes but it is a big restriction. Bmi can-t decide to improve utilisation by doing a 2330 to PMI returning @ 0530. Yr post suggested NJB had no impact
29 ADiZzy: I am going to guess and say that this happens since LHR is the home of BA! Also.....a huge proportion of Long-haul flights to distant areas of the wor
30 DiscoverCSG: or on the ground elsewhere ... Actually, you can remove "virtually" - every 744 in BA's fleet is based at LHR. Every flight a BA 744 flies either sta
31 Planesarecool: I'm not talking about airlines scheduling flights within the curfew, i'm talking about delayed flights departing within the curfew, which are rarely
32 Wrighbrothers: Isn't it, that they aren't banned from taking off after 22:59, but get fined, maybe I'm wrong, but I've always understood it was that if an aircraft w
33 LHR777: You are of course, correct. I suppose we just refer to it at work as the 'night jet ban', consisting of 'take-off and landing ban' and 'reverse-thrus