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And Then At 37000ft This Guy Pulled Out His Cell  
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19470 times:

I was recently travelling on a BA flight from LGW to MLA. Next to me sat a Maltese guy who was playing around with two cell phones all the time and even made a hasty call when we were taxiing for take-off. After approx. one hour flight time when we were about to pass the French coastline near Marseille to continue southeastwards over the Mediterranean, he pulled out his cell phone at cruising altitude, tried to hide it with the help of his jacket and started whispering. I could not believe my eyes and stared at him rather perplexed. Realizing that I had noticed what he was doing he hastily stopped whatever what he was doing (needless to say that he started making calls again as soon as we had touched down at Malta while we were still on the runway - sometimes I really wonder how mankind has managed to survive for thousands of years without these b***** cell phones....).

I am not really into all these technical things, so that's why I am asking: Would it be possible to make a cell phone call at cruising altitude? I always thought that transmission is not good enough to actually make calls from such an altitude, even if one is above an area with lots of transmitters.

While I have enjoyed seat neighbors who made telephone calls on the ground despite being told not to do so, this was really a first for me. Anyone else with a similar experience?

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19448 times:

Just think yourself lucky, he could have pulled something else out  scared 


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User currently onlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19393 times:

What a dumba$$! People like those need to be banned on an airline because per a 737 pilot from Turkey on this forum(can't remember the username), they can really screw up with the aircraft transmissions.  irked 


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19360 times:

I actually do remember, on one occasion, accidentally leaving my cell phone on for a flight from Fort Lauderdale to Charlotte. About the only damage that was done as a result was the battery on the cell phone being just about used up.


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User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4476 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19345 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 2):
737 pilot from Turkey on this forum

That is Pilotaydin former 734, current 738 pilot for TK:
For God's Sake, Switch Off Your Damn Cell Phones.. (by Pilotaydin Jan 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-04-08 15:11:34]

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3023 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19326 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 2):
737 pilot from Turkey on this forum(can't remember the username),

it is pilotaydin and yes in Turkey this is widely done by our stupid civilization or people. I can't understand what is going on in their brains in such moments.

My SonyEricsson has a flight mode. The manufacturer says that the cell phone could be switched on during the flights only to use for example the directory, hear music, play... I didn't use it yet and I'm a little bit afraid of that. Did anybody already used this function? Is it really safe?


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19303 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):

I am not really into all these technical things, so that's why I am asking: Would it be possible to make a cell phone call at cruising altitude? I always thought that transmission is not good enough to actually make calls from such an altitude, even if one is above an area with lots of transmitters.

It is generally accecpted that modern, digital GSM or 3G moblies dont interfere with the aircraft systems, unless the phone is literally in the avonics bay, and ringing. I believe the main problem with them is they "hop" from mast tower to mast tower, due to teh high speed of the aircraft. Mobile phone operators do not like this happening, as it takes up quite a lot of their transmitting power, and causes problems with other calls which are already being carried on teh ntework.

Airlines like Emirates, Air France and Ryanair are all close to having systems certified so that mobiles can be used in flight. The difference is that they will make money on it from so called "roaming charges"

Brian.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19271 times:

On my one-and-only flight departing LAX, the Captain had to make the "Turn off all electronic devices" announcement and have the F/As walk up and down the aisle telling individual pax to to hang up and turn off their cell phones three separate times before we could even pull away from the gate.  gnasher 

I can only assume some of those same pax went right back to talking on their cell phones as soon as the F/As were busy doing other things.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19234 times:

Think of it this way: cell phones are as ubiquitous amongst the flying public as wallets. The statistical odds are very likely that a number of cell phones are powered on during any given flight, whether in a pocket or in baggage. If the interference caused by cell phones was significant, there would be an overwhelming body of evidence by now.

Aviation simply operates under a better safe than sorry principle (not that there's anything wrong with that), and has chosen to blackout all transmitting devices than conclusively determine if cell phones are a danger to the aircraft or not.


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19234 times:

Try Qatar Airways ex DOH, I think I'm the only one who switches the mobile off Sad


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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19189 times:

People leaving their cells on accidentally happens all the time, I guess. And of course it can happen then that someone tries to call them (which is no excuse in the first place, of course).

What I found rather surprising was that this guy was actually making (or trying to make) a call rather than being called by someone from the ground, apparently because he had noticed that we were about to head for the open sea where no transmitters would be available until landing at Malta. He had switched off both his cell phones immediately before take-off at LGW when I gave him a rather irritated look for the first time. So apparently he had switched it on again at crusing altitude.

I really do not understand why people are so addicted to their cell phones. They are a pain, and I am more than happy to be able to switch it off whenever I can to make sure that I am not available for everbody at any time.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19154 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
It is generally accecpted that modern, digital GSM or 3G moblies dont interfere with the aircraft systems

Wrong.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):

Airlines like Emirates, Air France and Ryanair are all close to having systems certified so that mobiles can be used in flight. The difference is that they will make money on it from so called "roaming charges"

You might want to tell the regulators that.


User currently onlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 929 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19095 times:

What shocks me Vfw614 is that rather than writing your experience on here, you did nothing at the time to stop the offender trying to make calls.
Try summoning the help of an FA next time. I regulary go sweeping my cabin for people using their mobile phones, even after we have landed. If people do not switch off their mobile phones whilst I am standing there, I will not hesitate to take them off their person.
Reminder : It is AGAINST the law to be using mobile phones whilst flying and most FAs like myself will gladly tell passengers so, or as I said, if necessary, remove them from passengers until engine shut down.



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User currently offlineAileron11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19082 times:

Does anybody know if a cell phone can get a signal that high in the sky? Any thing over 20k is like 4 miles high and we all know planes fly higher when at cruise, so how can a signal reach that high.


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19016 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
My SonyEricsson has a flight mode. The manufacturer says that the cell phone could be switched on during the flights only to use for example the directory, hear music, play... I didn't use it yet and I'm a little bit afraid of that. Did anybody already used this function? Is it really safe?

Yes, it's perfectly safe once the transmitter is turned off. That's really the "magic" no-no word when it comes to cell phones. After that, it's just an electronic device. Thing is, for takeoff and landing, it needs to be off anyway, right?  wink 



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18952 times:

Quoting Aileron11 (Reply 13):
Does anybody know if a cell phone can get a signal that high in the sky? Any thing over 20k is like 4 miles high and we all know planes fly higher when at cruise, so how can a signal reach that high.

That's what I was interested about as well.

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 12):
What shocks me Vfw614 is that rather than writing your experience on here, you did nothing at the time to stop the offender trying to make calls.

It is not as if I had watched what was going for a longer period of time. It was a late evening flight and after dinner, everybody in my area was having a nap. I only woke up because of this whispering and it took me a couple of moments to realize what was going on. This guy switched the cell phone off as soon as he had realized that I had noticed it. As we were heading for the open sea, there was no chance he could have used it again. So I did not see the point why I should have made a big deal about it, particularly as I did not know (and still do not know) if he could have actually made a call. If he had used it again in flight, I certainly would have called a F/A. At this point, what should have happened if I had called a F/A? The F/A would have told him to stop using the cell phone. This he had already done when I looked at him rather annoyed. Obviously it was no news to him that he was not supposed to use his cell phone, so no need for a F/A to explain that to him. And I doubt that British Airways would have made sure that he was met by police on arrival in Malta....


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18625 times:

I guess it"s OK if your flight has been hijacked. (United flight 93). One of the rare occasions when using a cell phone in flight was useful.

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18499 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
My SonyEricsson has a flight mode. The manufacturer says that the cell phone could be switched on during the flights only to use for example the directory, hear music, play... I didn't use it yet and I'm a little bit afraid of that. Did anybody already used this function? Is it really safe

I have a phone like this as well

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 14):
Yes, it's perfectly safe once the transmitter is turned off. That's really the "magic" no-no word when it comes to cell phones. After that, it's just an electronic device. Thing is, for takeoff and landing, it needs to be off anyway, right?

Ah yes but...

On a flight in early February with BY, a specific announcement was made condemning these specially equipped mobiles to still be fully turned off, no compromises. In fact the F/a was quite severe about this.

Makes me think the industry is still skeptical, maybe not to the technology, but the incompetence of passengers who may switch their phones on fully, and therefore the transmitter which causes the problems, by mistake, or disguises their doing this by saying: "Its on flight mode"


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18499 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8):
If the interference caused by cell phones was significant, there would be an overwhelming body of evidence by now.

Aviation simply operates under a better safe than sorry principle (not that there's anything wrong with that), and has chosen to blackout all transmitting devices than conclusively determine if cell phones are a danger to the aircraft or not.

Actually... they really can interfere... I've had it several times... I've had one flight where the captain and I kept hearing a buzzing in our headsets, pretty loud... and he had to have the f/a go up and down the cabin to make sure everyone turned the phone off.... In addition, while it is allowed to be used... I've had it at one point where we were on the j-line taxiing into the gate and the capt. and I heard the actual ringing over our headsets of a person's phone in the back... we both were confused at first and thought it might be one of our phones accidentally left on.. but after a quick check, it wasn't ours....

From everything I've heard though, not all cell phones cause the problems only certain ones.. and i can't remember which..

Chris



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18384 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
My SonyEricsson has a flight mode. The manufacturer says that the cell phone could be switched on during the flights only to use for example the directory, hear music, play... I didn't use it yet and I'm a little bit afraid of that. Did anybody already used this function? Is it really safe?

Flight mode is perfectly safe.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
It is generally accecpted that modern, digital GSM or 3G moblies dont interfere with the aircraft systems, unless the phone is literally in the avonics bay, and ringing. I believe the main problem with them is they "hop" from mast tower to mast tower, due to teh high speed of the aircraft. Mobile phone operators do not like this happening, as it takes up quite a lot of their transmitting power, and causes problems with other calls which are already being carried on teh ntework.

This is as wrong as anything can be.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
Airlines like Emirates, Air France and Ryanair are all close to having systems certified so that mobiles can be used in flight. The difference is that they will make money on it from so called "roaming charges"

The difference is that the "tower" will be in the aircraft, thus preventing cell phones transmitting at high energy levels.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 15):
So I did not see the point why I should have made a big deal about it, particularly as I did not know (and still do not know) if he could have actually made a call.

Trying to make a call when it is not possible can be worse than making a call when it is possible, since the cell phone will try to connect to a tower with the transmitter at full power.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18356 times:

I'm an airline pilot. If there is a cellphone on, I can often hear it in my headset... the same static-y clicking noise that you often get if your cellphone is near a speaker/stereo. Its annoying as heck.

User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

Flyf15... I agree.. it's extremely annoying!!!! nothing like having to listen to the static for 3 hours nonstop... It's great when the offender gets off and the ride back is normal and quiet...


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

I'm an airline pilot. If there is a cellphone on, I can often hear it in my headset... the same static-y clicking noise that you often get if your cellphone is near a speaker/stereo. Its annoying as heck. Its got to do the same kind of stuff to navigation signals. It has been argued before that most passenger cellphones aren't anywhere near the cockpit and won't cause disturbances. But, we have systems throughout the aircraft. If you're sitting forward of the wing on the CRJ, you're sitting on top of our avonics bay. Also, if your cellphone is in an overhead compartment, its a foot away from the top of the fuselage, where many of our antennas are.

Plus, who really wants to listen to 50 people all try to have cellphone conversations at once in a small confined space for hours and no way to leave? Additionally, your cellphones aren't going to work that high in the air, or over most of the places we fly (there is still a huge part of the US... everywhere except cities... that isn't covered by cellphone service), or at the altitudes we fly at.


User currently offlineWanderer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18215 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
I actually do remember, on one occasion, accidentally leaving my cell phone on for a flight from Fort Lauderdale to Charlotte. About the only damage that was done as a result was the battery on the cell phone being just about used up.

I switched my cell phone off when I flew to the States last year. On the return journey, the phone was switched off again and put in my luggage to be checked. On arrival at Gatwick and once out of the airport, I got the phone out to make a call. It was on. It must have been knocked and accidentally switched on while in my checked bag when being loaded - it was one of those that was too easy to switch on and off. Next time, I'll remove the battery as well.


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17661 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
Just think yourself lucky, he could have pulled something else out

Was that really necessary?  Wink

I remember one time on a DL MD-88, ATL-CHS, completely full flight, the FA came down the isle 3 times asking people to please turn off various electronic devices. When there were still people using cell phones after the fourth walk down the isle he got the lead FA. Then they both walked down the plane very slowly looking at every single passenger. After the pax finally put away their crap we took off. It's just stupid that some passengers have to be so selfish. They make the whole crew's jobs quite a bit harder.



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25 Airforum : I'd say the biggest problem to the FA's is that they can hardly explain to a passenger that his/her phone may no be used because it has no flight mod
26 AviationAddict : According to the pilots at my station (9K - BOS) most cell phone calls aren't an issue, but on a occasion the phone transmission will create a sort of
27 SHUPirate1 : As I said, it does the most damage to the battery...remember, the phone uses more battery trying to find a signal than it does when it already has a
28 XJETFlyer : Some people need a reality check. What is so important that a person feels they need to call someone from the airplane during flight? I remember when
29 Vlada : Isn't this enough to ban the mobile phones usage from aircraft altogether? I would not want pilots on my flight to loose their radio communication ju
30 JetJeanes : Ive tried a couple differnt carriers at one time at 30,000 and cannot get a signal,,, on a cross country flight never did get a signal, so aparrantly
31 Socalfive : One very rainy, low visibility day on short final into SAN Rwy 09 some moron across the isle from me had his cell phone ring, he answered it and went
32 Post contains images N243NW : Thursday morning, upon landing in MKE (in an EMB-140), the F/A made the customary announcement as we vacated the active. As soon as the P/A was switch
33 Pilotaydin : awesome!! we almost killed someone that almost killed us out of ADA as TK 787 posted.....cell phones do interfere with the flight instruments....if a
34 Vfw614 : Hmmm, OK, so I gather that flying over reasonably populated areas (i.e. those with a good coverage of transmitters) it is possible to make a cell phon
35 Socalfive : Exactly, and you can almost bet your last dollar that SOME DAY there will be a CAT II or CAT III approach where an accident will occur because of an
36 Philb : It isn't What you believe is not accepted by the regulatory authorities worldwide. The REAL difference is that the aircraft concerned will carry spec
37 Flybyguy : I don't understand why people need to use cell phones aboard aircraft anyway... what's wrong with the seatback phones? If your call is so important...
38 MCOflyer : Very true and I recommend stricter laws for cell phones. I feel bad for you pilots out there with annoying cell phone pax. MCOflyer
39 Tjo099 : I have done many jumpseat-trips in the cockpit of 737s, A320 and MD's and at sevreal of the trips have a cellphone been lying around in the cockpit. I
40 AviationAddict : Oh I definitely agree with you. I guess I didn't really finish my thought, though. Some people seem to think that cell phone usage on a plane could i
41 SHUPirate1 : The fact that Verizon disconnected them.
42 Post contains images AirFrance : Hey Vfw614 the same exact thing happened to me. I was flying on delta from EWR to SLC. At cruising altitude a lady across the isle was trying to call
43 SmAlbany : It has been my personal experience (me on a land line and my wife on the cell) that cell reception is generallly lost above 10,000 feet in altitiude.
44 Pred02 : They interfere with short-range audio electronics, like your in-flight headset. It's like receiving communication while listening to radio at the car
45 EI321 : If it was a sat phone.
46 CRJ900 : I flew on a SAS MD80 a few weeks ago CPH-OSL. After taking off from CPH and reaching 10,000 feet the Captain turned off the fasten seatbelt sign and c
47 Jcf5002 : From what I know, Motorola phones are especially bad when it comes to interference. I know which one of my friends have Motorola phones and when they
48 Troy : How do you know he was actually trying to make a call? My phone is pretty clever, i can leave it in flight mode and still whisper voice recordings on
49 ATCT : As a former F/A (and current pilot who has talked on a cell phone while flying, pt. 91 of course) It doesnt do squat. ATCT
50 DukeOfSkies : Yes it is possible. Once I was on a flight from Beijing to Paris, and I forgot to switch off my cellphone. When the plane landed, I was horrified to n
51 Baron95 : The same way that mankind has managed to survive for thousands of years without toilets, antibiotics, running water, electricity, airplanes. Do you w
52 CaptainJon : so does my nokia 6131. there is a little aeroplane icon that is displayed. it simply turns off the radio itself. but i really got nothing on my phone
53 Jetdeltamsy : As long as you are within range of a transmission tower, it doesn't matter whether you're on the ground or in the air, the phones work. I have had on
54 Socalfive : Ok, so how do you decide which ONE of 100+ passengers gets to keep their phone on? So your wife was the irresponsible, rule-breaking idiot. And you w
55 Brucek : I'm an instrument rated private pilot in the US, but only a PPL and Part 91. The FAA regulations are very clear in what is and is not allowed on boar
56 ZKNEA : One time flying DXB - SYD/MEL I left mine on by mistake or it was knocked on, either way it was on and I didn't notice till I was rummaging through my
57 Concentriq : Amen to that!!!! Leaving the issue of interference aside... I am simply not qualified to make a statement if it does or does not interfere. 100% agre
58 JetJeanes : So on some planes that have the phones in them in the seatbacks are those satelitte phones or how do they work
59 PurdueAv2003 : One aspect that I have not seen brought up in the cell phone debates is the possibility of a wiring discrepancy. For the most part, the critical elect
60 SHUPirate1 : As I said earlier, they don't. Verizon stopped providing the service sometime last year.
61 Post contains links Jafa39 : Sure have: AKL-WLG What Would You Have Done? 3pics (by Jafa39 May 27 2005 in Trip Reports) And one of the comments on that TR, from a real airline em
62 TSS : People who talk on cell phones tend to talk much more loudly than they would if they were talking to someone sitting next to them. You can't whisper
63 Tsaord : On a side note. People or so called "experts" can debate the cell phone rule untill hell turns cold. At the end of the day people need to learn how to
64 Post contains images GBan : You never wondered why you can understand every word of the 50% conversation 3 seats away while you don't understand a word of the 100% conversation
65 Post contains images Analog : Has anyone ever had any interference from a CDMA phone? From personal experience, the clicking interference is only from GSM and other TDMA (yes, GSM
66 Baron95 : Most flights will have at least a handfull of cell phones turned on during flight not to mention all the people that turn on their laptops with WiFi
67 Vfw614 : If you would have actually read my thread opener (and my follow-up replies), you would have noticed that I did not know whether he mas making a call.
68 Socalfive : Only in your little mind it isn't. Defending this issue like you are through all your various arguments MUST mean you work as a Verizon salesman that
69 TEBguy : I don't know about your phone, but on mine, when the transmitter is switched off, it clearly says "AIRPLANE MODE" in big bold letters across the scre
70 PA110 : Actually, you missed Friday's news. The FCC has decided to keep the airline cell-phone restrictions in place... at least, for now. Your comments come
71 Concentriq : It made me curious: what do you mean by "American superiority" in this context?
72 UN_B732 : Funny we have this thread, friday was on a dash btv-jfk and someone got a cell phone call while we were on approach. the guy talked for a few seconds,
73 Chase : Just thinking out loud here: These days, most cellphones have a GPS embedded in them. In addition to latitude and longitude, GPS devices can determine
74 ThePinnacleKid : As a current airline pilot.. i'll trump you there and say that yes it does... and i've had it happen on my flights several times... and to those that
75 Pilotaydin : WHAT? outrageous comment...... did you not read the entire thing i posted on what happened to myself and my crew on the 737?
76 Philb : Well said guys, but this is a.net where amateurs know far better than professionals.
77 N766UA : I've turned my cell on from time to time onboard (not for calls, but to check a date or a number or something) and not once have I ever even been remo
78 Post contains images Larspl : i'm also a pilot, and before this i worked as an electric/audio mechanic.. interference on your head sets can only be from a close by telephone, a ce
79 Bond007 : Funny thing is, out of all of the FAA, FCC, and independent unbiased studies/tests, not ONE of them have concluded the same thing as you .... not eve
80 Litz : And remember - this is for safety reasons ... and why it also affects all electronics (and anything else loose). Simply put, if there's an accident,
81 Analog : I need to joke around less... I hope you weren't taking me seriously. What I was referring to is the fact that 2G CDMA phones (used in the US, Canada
82 Socalfive : Forget it Pilotaydin, you can't have an intellectual debate with an unarmed man.
83 Post contains images EZEIZA : What I don't understand is why do people need to be on their cells the whole time? If they have to make a really, and I mean really important call, sp
84 Analog : "Hello, 911? I need a rescue from Everest base camp. Hello? What the *&#$" I doubt the GPS chips in phones would work inside an aircraft. These GPS c
85 VgnAtl747 : To be honest, I think the biggest problem is that there isn't enough education about what cell phones actually do to the aircraft. I've met pilots tha
86 Concentriq : i didnt mean to make myself sound snappy.. i was only wondering if we were thinking of the same thing. this is unfortunately a side effect of being f
87 ExFATboy : That's a good question - don't know if there's actually a FAA regulation on the subject. Doesn't matter, though - FAA requires compliance with all cr
88 Post contains images EZEIZA : I had no idea about that, thanx for the info. Is this on domestic flights only? regards
89 Analog : Actually GSM phones came way before CDMA cell phones. The 1st GSM network started ops in 1991. The CDMA standard (IS-95) was created in.... 1995. The
90 Baron95 : You are just making my point - NO STUDY, NOT ONE could reproduce or document ANY significant adverse effect that could lead to an accident. And most
91 Afitch7881 : Well, Jetblue and Northwest allow passengers to use cell phone once the plane lands on the runway. I am sure other US airlines allow this as well. Do
92 Post contains images MPDPilot : So there have been studies? I haven't heard of any and it has always bothered me that they make this decision with little if any evidence. I would li
93 Tomaeroeng : Well I m a private pilot and while, of course, I dont use the phone while flying, a friend of mine observed the following. While in the traffic circui
94 Pilotaydin : it's not so much if it works or not, im sure they dont work, but the fact is, it sends out some sort of power signal while looking for a station to c
95 Post contains links Vfw614 : As we are just at it - article from ABTN: "Inflight phones are a nogo" http://www.abtn.co.uk/Inflight_phones_are_a_nogo
96 Post contains images Bond007 : Not true at all. Please read the studies. "The Carnegie study, carried out with support from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, showed that ph
97 Rdwelch : Please tell me you didn't do that just to find out what would happen. Just for the record, whether or not you believe cell phones interfere with the
98 MPDPilot : This is key right here what you say "CAN interfere," can is a very vague term here. can doesn't mean it will and doesn't really say anything difiniti
99 Bond007 : They've been done, you just need to read them. Especially the part where they say it's worse than they originally thought, even for PEDs (not just ce
100 Pilotaydin : right on jimbo!!! it doesn't take much to bring an airplane down, and let's face it, things go wrong in weird ways.... when AA 191 took off the engine
101 Pope : I phones could bring down a plane, Al Qaida would be working on getting 25 terrorist onto a flight with cell phones. Come on think about it - do you r
102 XJETFlyer : Verizon still sends advertisement to our office to buy their service for continental airlines. Why would they do this if it is no longer available? I
103 US330 : What is even worse is when people are talking on a cell phone while a flight attendant is talking or trying to talk to them. On a recent flight from B
104 Post contains links ExFATboy : Well, I'm not sure what Verizon is sending you ads for, but all Verizon Airfone service was discontinued on August 28, 2006 according to Continental'
105 Levent : I once was seated in the front of an Air Nostrum Dash 8 during an ILS approach to Palma de Mallorca in pretty bad weather. The passenger seated in the
106 Dazed767 : Had a lady this past weekend on a flight from MCO-ATL (HELLO IT'S ONLY AN HOUR!) pull out her phone 2 times to send text messages. She was doing it wh
107 Vegas005 : The Mythbusters TV show says this is NOT TRUE. Episode 49: Cellphones on Planes and Helium Raft * Cell phones disrupt airplane navigation: mythbusted
108 Bond007 : LOL ...Hardly a real study! It was entertainment and little else. Now compare this to the Carnegie Mellon, and NASA studies, where they DID do their
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