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United Drops Osaka-Honolulu From 01OCT07  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

http://www.jwing.com/w-daily/bn2007/0409.htm

UNITED will drop daily Osaka - Honolulu service effective 01OCT07. The decision was made on 06APR07.

The decision leaves JALWays and nwa as the only two carriers flying this route. UA will re-route its pax through Star Alliance partner ANA via Tokyo.

UNITED took over ANA's KIX-HNL few years ago.

[Edited 2007-04-09 08:24:28]

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

excellent...so a couple of B 777-200ERs freed up it seems for UAL to launch another long haul route or add frequencies to another route which sees high seasonal surge in demand during the winter season.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

UA took over the route because the plane was standing 20 hour anyway in Osaka. So it makes perfect sense to extend the flight to somewhere.

I hope UA will route the flight to somewhere else in East Asia.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Or perhaps they will just turn the aircraft around immediately after it arrives in KIX.
This was the schedule until 2001/2 when it was a 744.
Though, the return flight would miss the main Asian bank of flights.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Hmmm, so where are those 777's going??

User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1842 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Maybe to add Frequency on DEN-SFO?

User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 900 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Does this actually free up aircraft time or was it just utilization flying?

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

HNL-KIX dropping
NGO-TPE dropped
That is 2 planes, I think,

Isn't ORD-KIX getting dropped as well?

SFO-NGO is 2 planes with one on the ground for 23 hours at NGO.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

The only way the discontinuation of the KIX-HNL route would free up a single 777 would be to turn around the 777 on the SFO-KIX immediately upon arrival at KIX.
If UA exercises its 5th freedom to fly elsewhere in Asia, it would still require two 777s to operate SFO-KIX-???-KIX-SFO.
I wonder if NH would restore its own KIX-HNL service then?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
NGO-TPE dropped

That has been on the books for a while as soon as the nonstop SFO-TPE commences on June 3rd.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Isn't ORD-KIX getting dropped as well?

Dropped already


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Was it the SFO-KIX aircraft that operated the KIX-HNL sector?

12:33p SFO I 4:20p+1 KIX UA 885 Non-stop 777 11:47
7:00p KIX 7:35a HNL M UA 832 Non-stop 777 7:35

3:25p KIX 9:02a SFO I UA 886 Non-stop 777
9:37a HNL M 1:35p+1 KIX UA 833 Non-stop 777 8:58

If so, I wonder why UA wouldn't consider operating the sector on a counter-rotating basis to reduce ground time, and improve utilisation by returning the aircraft back to SFO earlier?

SFO-HNL-KIX-SFO & SFO-KIX-HNL-SFO daily?

I'm sure this would have provided better scheduling flexibility as well...

This would have also allowed UA to offer double daily SFO-KIX... one non-stop, and one via HNL, with perhaps only 2.5 hours longer flight time!


User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

But does UA still operate a HNL-NRT flight as well?? or was it just HNL-KIX?

User currently offlineFumitani From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 12):
But does UA still operate a HNL-NRT flight as well?? or was it just HNL-KIX?

UA still operates HNL-NRT

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
Was it the SFO-KIX aircraft that operated the KIX-HNL sector?

Correct.

SFO-KIX-HNL

HNL-KIX-SFO is the current rotation until Oct 1st. Then we'll find out how it rotates.

SFO-NGO once the TPE-NGO sector gets cancelled will get shifted so the plane doesn't have to sit on the ground for 20+ hours. After June 3rd when SFO-TPE becomes direct


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
SFO-NGO is 2 planes with one on the ground for 23 hours at NGO.

Not true, currently no airplane spends more than 3 hours skd on ground at NGO. Future skd (after TPE drop) it will be even shorter 1530L arrival / 1705L departure.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2501 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 12):
But does UA still operate a HNL-NRT flight as well?? or was it just HNL-KIX?



Quoting Fumitani (Reply 13):
UA still operates HNL-NRT

...and it's almost always stuffed to the gills. Good to see UA taking advantage of its *A partnership. They need all the long haul widebodies they can get!


777fan



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

IAD-BRU goes to a 777 eff Oct 1.


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