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AI A310 Nose Gear Collapse Stuck On DEL Main RWY.  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13193 times:

News just in.... It made an emergency landing because of a gear failure and while being towed to the terminal it fell on the main rwy 28 at DEL. All flights delayed, authorities are saying crutial equipment to tow it off has to be brought it from BOM.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-293574-2.xml

" NEW DELHI (Reuters) - An Air India plane made an emergency landing on Monday and has blocked one of two runways at New Delhi's international airport, delaying air traffic, officials said.

The Airbus A310 flying from Shanghai and Bangkok made the emergency landing around 7 a.m. (0130 GMT) after problems with its landing gear, they said."

nitin

[Edited 2007-04-09 10:01:32]


I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13103 times:

Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12945 times:

Apparently there is another emergency landing taking place this time Ai 736 operating DXB-DEL seems to be a 767-300.

Will tell yoll as i get to know more myself

Karan


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12799 times:

Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12708 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.

Yes there was, after an aborted takeoff.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Apparently there is another emergency landing taking place this time Ai 736 operating DXB-DEL seems to be a 767-300.

Hopefully it won't block the other runway otherwise DEL will look like DXB did a few weeks ago.

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?

It is your imagination  wink . They just happen to be covered in the news.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12638 times:

Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12568 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

So has Bombardier..... Big grin

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Is it just my imagination or does AI have more than its fair share of emergencies... ?

Just your over-sensitive imagination buddy... smile  Tendency is that when airlines like AI, always the target of over zelous and knowledgeable a.netters, has any incident whatsoever, questions are raised about their abilities, practices, etc... such things happen on almost a daily basis to different airlines across the world and much depends on the local media coverage and the agility of an a.netter to bring it up in this forum....

Nonetheless, worth pointing out that the 767 involved in the second incident at DEL was the one recently leased from a European company....


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12518 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

Yes but the airlines that operate them is more of a factor!!! AI,BG,PK,FG


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12470 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Does anybody else feel that airbus has been seeing quite a few nosegear incidents recently?

Yes but the airlines that operate them is more of a factor!!! AI,BG,PK,FG

Rather than pointing fingers at the airlines involved, you could have strained yourself a bit more to arrive at the conclusion that atleast 3 of the four airlines you mentioned have A310's which had these problems......maybe it's a fault of the aircraft type (and these airlines form the bulk of the few carriers that operate the 310 today), maybe it's a problem with the airlines.....either way, none of us is in a position to draw such conclusions.....


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7063 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Well if I wanted to stir the pot, is it a coincidence that whenever a airline has a problem with an Airbus a/c they immediately also have a problem with a Boeing a/c, strange, real strange.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 9):
is it a coincidence that whenever a airline has a problem with an Airbus a/c they immediately also have a problem with a Boeing a/c, strange, real strange.

Maybe the Boeing A/C is going out in smpathy with the Airbus A/C ...lol.....NOT


User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12411 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Wasn't there a BG A310 nose gear collapse at DXB recently? Luckily all the passengers are safe on this AI flight.

Yes there was, after an aborted takeoff.

AFAIK (as discussed, and speculated on a.net and other websites), the BG A310 lost nose gear due to loose debris from a burst tire on the runway (from an arriving A/C previously), and due to negligence of DXB authorities who did not advise BG to hold, or to inspect the runway. I am not aware of the investigation status on this incident, and the facts may be different, but the tire burst incident was real, and it happened just before BG takeoff.

BOACVC10



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12276 times:

Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 11):
AFAIK (as discussed, and speculated on a.net and other websites), the BG A310 lost nose gear due to loose debris from a burst tire on the runway (from an arriving A/C previously), and due to negligence of DXB authorities who did not advise BG to hold, or to inspect the runway. I am not aware of the investigation status on this incident, and the facts may be different, but the tire burst incident was real, and it happened just before BG takeoff.

Wish that others on this forum would do their homework as thoroughly as you do before posting....  

[Edited 2007-04-09 17:03:10]

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11597 times:

Hey Come on come one guys... stop trying to change every freikin thread on this site into a A v B battle. FYI, though AI has had incidents with its A310's. lets not forget that the second incident today was a Boeing and AI 's earlier voes were on their unlucky 747.

So its not really a manufacture thing. Its got alot to do with just plain and simple bad freikin luck!

nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11564 times:

Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly.  duck 

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10915 times:

Quoting BigTom (Reply 14):
Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly. duck

Wow, I wonder what will happen when these 'third world' airlines operate 787's before carriers in 'nicer' parts of the world..
Or we could point out that we still get hot food on flights. If we really want to.
Heh!

Anyhow, that said those A310's - I still don't know the rego - but even the ones that AI got from SQ (I flew VT-AIP HKG-DEL in March) seem on the edge.
Air India's own A310's (like VT-ELJ which I flew DEL-HKG) are really ratty inside. Great food though.

The planes seem to operate fine, though loudly. Very loudly.

I would consider the DEL incident as a one-off but AI needs those 777's which are ready for delivery at Seattle now!

These have been pretty severe knock-on delays because 27/09 does not have rapid exit taxiways and this incident happened just before the morning rush. Some of the budget carriers cancelled some flights. One of my friends was supposed to come in tonight from Baroda on 9W, lets see how bad the scene is.



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User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

Little OT....

While looking at this incidence on TV, I noticed a PIA 747 (743?) in the background. I am surprized to see a widebody service to Mumbai by PIA. I thought they ran a 737 service and even I had seen it myself.

Does KHI-BOM has such good load OR is it a way to keep 743 (banned in Europe) busy?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 16):
Little OT....

While looking at this incidence on TV, I noticed a PIA 747 (743?) in the background. I am surprized to see a widebody service to Mumbai by PIA. I thought they ran a 737 service and even I had seen it myself.

Does KHI-BOM has such good load OR is it a way to keep 743 (banned in Europe) busy?

Lahore-Delhi rather... PK does use the widebodies to Delhi occasionally I've seen 743's and A310's on the international apron.



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User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 17):
Lahore-Delhi rather... PK does use the widebodies to Delhi occasionally I've seen 743's and A310's on the international apron.

Oops... yeah, it should have been DEL. My mistake.

Does AI has a reserve aircraft to replace this damaged a/c? Which routes are likely to be affected if they can't find a replacement?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Soory to hear this happen. Hope AI pulls through ok with its flight ops.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

Quoting BigTom (Reply 14):
Waiting for someone to say that airlines from these 'Third World countries' should not be allowed to fly.

is the UAE considered a third world country??
If that is so, your statements would put emirates in hot water!!!



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

The Times of India has reported how the pax on the A310 had a 'providential' escape and so on....it also mentions that the pilot decided to do 2 low passes over the airport so that engineers and the ATC could ascertain that the gear was indeed properly extended.....however pax seemingly did not know about this intention of the pilot and panic spread when the plane made the first pass over the runway, instead of landing...the FA's started instructing the pax how to act in case of an emergency landing, thereby scaring them further...

From the scanty report on ToI, it seems the pilots did not announce their problem and the plan to make passes over the airport for visual inspection.....they could have avoided scaring the pax by making a simple announcement....


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):

From the scanty report on ToI, it seems the pilots did not announce their problem and the plan to make passes over the airport for visual inspection.....they could have avoided scaring the pax by making a simple announcement....

Same thing happened to me on UL a few years back. We took off from CMB and a tyre burst of take off. Was a bit scary as burning rubber smell came into the cabin and there was banging under the hold (must have been the rubber comming off) . Anyway we had to make 2 fly overs the airport before landing back. The crew said nothing for ages.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5075 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Same thing happened to me on UL a few years back. We took off from CMB and a tyre burst of take off. Was a bit scary as burning rubber smell came into the cabin and there was banging under the hold (must have been the rubber comming off) . Anyway we had to make 2 fly overs the airport before landing back. The crew said nothing for ages.

= I had the same thing happen twice on Olympic flights back to back. Go figure!

-A.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 23):
I had the same thing happen twice on Olympic flights back to back. Go figure!

Maybe some of your foes on here put glass on the runway !!! You seem to have bad luck
 Wink


25 Junction : Whatever runway is still available for use at DEL must not allow for a fully loaded 777 to take off. CO83 tonight has to make a fuel stop in Canada en
26 Post contains images Mk777 : Thats too bad, hope the main rwy gets its full utilization soon, i am assuming no damage to it. Also, i wonder if AA 293 will take a fuel stop too in
27 Abrelosojos : = Nah, I dont think it was bad luck ... probably just an overall reflection of how poorly Olympic is probably maintained. -A.
28 Post contains links and images Amritpal : source: www.tribuneindia.com
29 Post contains links OA260 : Well I can assure you OA's fleet is one of the best maintained fleets in the world and has one of the best safety records so it must have been the gl
30 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Haha. Thanks for the site and the reassurance. Unfortunately, propaganda sites never go a long way to allay my fears. Anyways, we are getting off t
31 A3 : Dear OA260, I wander why you bother replying to some mean comments. Its obvious that no matter what the safety record OA has , no matter if global st
32 BaylorAirBear : I can't wait to hear DisruptiveHair's take on all this. BAB
33 KC135TopBoom : While you are correct, the airport authority should have closed the runway for inspection and clean up of the tire debris, that debris cannot cause t
34 Post contains links and images Cricket : True, runway 27/09 is shorter than 28/10 which is DEL's primary. Aircraft involved was VT-EJJ 'Beas' which was delivered new to AI in 1986. View Larg
35 OA260 : LOL, I know I shouldnt reply to ''arm chair'' experts!!!! But he is not the worst on here . Also to the guy who has posted above and sent me an email
36 Himmat01 : My guess is that VT-EJJ will be written off. Is it worthwhile spending a huge amount of money on an aircraft which will be in service only for a year
37 Cricket : Interestingly, initial work on the new runway 28L/10R has begun, and hopefully by late next year it might be operational. However, I doubt they will m
38 Abrelosojos : = LOL. I love the usual gung-ho flag waving advocates of Olympic. Seriously, I wish OA well and hope they can turn a profit someday and not go under.
39 Norcal773 : This is just a guess but maybe because the 743's are banned in Europe so not a whole lot of places left to fly them do they send it to Mumbai.
40 Post contains images JoyA380B747 : This AI indcident photo was the first of the day that stared at my face early morning in the newspaper. So... Are The AI and Indian Govt Not Gonna lea
41 Post contains images Gr8Circle : And what exactly is it that you want AI and the GoI to learn? AI has placed an order for 60+ aircrafts more than a year back and very soon (next 2-3
42 JoyA380B747 : WEL, unless the newer planes arrive, such incidents like these are very likely. Esp with AI. Let me make it simpler: For eg. Give a 20 yr old aircraf
43 Post contains images Nimish : Joy - please don't let facts, statistics and incidents come in the way of your reasoning . Remember the cardinal rule - AI MX is second to none, and
44 Mrniji : I wonder whether this is true. Someone once told me that the 747-412 leased by AI "were in a terrible situation", as SQ flew them to the max and then
45 AirIndia : Welcome back Subin!!!! Long time my friend. Hope u r doing great with your academics in the US..
46 Cricket : True that, some of the lesed aircraft are not in the best of shape when AI takes them - VT-AIM anyone? But I recently flew VT-AIP 'Pamba' (where on e
47 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Has it so far been proved that the DEL incident was due to old age and/or poor maintenance of AI? If I've missed something, pls update me....else, ar
48 Cricket : See, there are incidents across the world - 'priority landings' happen every day for one problem or another, this looked worse because the nose-wheel
49 Post contains images Mk777 : Where exactly is this rwy being constructed?? Is it on the opposite side of the road from where you drive into the international terminal at DEL?? If
50 Post contains images Gr8Circle : AA A300 Divert To MIA Due To Rudder Problems Nimish, check out this thread currenlty in the forum..... AA A300 Divert To MIA Due To Rudder Problems.
51 Mrniji : Such incidents do happen quite sometime in AMerica (and anywhere else), too, but the press cares less than in India. If there is an AI thing, it is a
52 CuriousFlyer : They got everyone out, some bad injuries though.
53 Nimish : Interesting comments - only serve to strengthen my belief that AI has a major MX issue. We have a few incidents with US, NW, UA, AA, DL over the past
54 HAWK21M : On the Contrary.A towing NLG collapse.Its possible to get it flying in a Forthnight. Amazing how people conclude that old Aircraft are Unsafe because
55 Post contains images Gr8Circle :
56 VTNYC : In God's own country, the pride of Kerala. Visit it the first chance you get..
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